Open 316 - Hard Boiled (Day Two)

[glowball]

How are we handling counter claims?

[Amrun]

At first, everyone says "not pr" or "pr." If you are det/psych, hider tracker, or hider, you say "PR." Everyone else says "Not PR."

If no scum counterclaim, that will be 3 people saying "PR." If 4 (or more) people say "PR," then one (or more) of them is definitely scum.

From that point on, we go through the categories, det/psych, hider tracker, and so forth, and everyone says "det/psych" or "not det/psych."

Whichever role(s) has 2 claims, we look at the individual players and decide what to do from there.

This is not an optimal strategy for scum, so I doubt they will take this path.


It does make me think of a question, though: Would the categories go det/psych, HT, hider, or det/psych, hider, HT?

[neil1113]

Does it matter who goes first between Hider and HT? Like would it really have a significance of difference if the Hider went before the HT, and the other way around?

[Oversoul]

Does it matter who goes first between Hider and HT? Like would it really have a significance of difference if the Hider went before the HT, and the other way around?

I don't think so, but I am pretty sure we have it go as Det-Psych then Hider Tracker then the Hider. Or at least, I think that is set up we established.

[neil1113]

Alright so are we going to start the claiming now?

[Amrun]

No... We are waiting on Jakesh. Still.

[glowball]

I swear my head is going to explode if jakesh is scum stalling for no lynch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGH

UNVOTE

VOTE: Jakesh97

[glowball]

Oversoul...I still think you are scum, because you are. However, I want to personally strangle Jakesh sooooooooooooooo there's my new vote-deal.

[Oversoul]

Oversoul...I still think you are scum, because you are. However, I want to personally strangle Jakesh sooooooooooooooo there's my new vote-deal.

Oh Glowball. You are so silly. However, I guess we can agree on something. Jakesh is annoying. Just don't beat yourself up too much when you are wrong.

[neil1113]

Waiting for Jake to respond, is it that important to respond? Couldn't we do.. you know... process of elimination? Have everyone claim and if Jake is left, and you only have 2 claimed PR's, then Jake must be the 3rd.

P-Edit, now that I think about it, the problem with this is that if there are 3 PR's, and Jake is one but hasn't claimed, scum can fake claim a PR and practically get away with it for the moment due to the lurker. Would it be a big deal if we moved on to Hider and HT and then all of a sudden get a counter claim of PR's by Jake? While it's not optimal, I don't see it being that difficult to be able to change in the moment depending on how the plan goes...

[Quilford]

I started at the start of the thread and made notes along the way:

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Confirmation / RVS

#4-5: jakesh is overly apologetic (newbtell?)
#7: Possible buddying from LittleGrey re: jakesh's mistake (scumtell)
#60: jakesh notices this, incorrectly calls LittleGrey a VI (towntell)

#10, 12, 30: towntells from zMuffin's boldness

#14-5: glowball continues zMuffin's fluffing (newbtell? or eager scum?),
#16: as does neil1113 (scumtell + lolsmilietell)

#18: LittleGrey... FoS zMuffin but not jakesh for voting in confirmation because the latter 'admitted his mistake'? wut
then goes on to post a read on jakesh and then immediately say 'but I could be wrong' (scumtell)
#19: neil's response to this post by LittleGrey looks totally insincere

#20: Hoopla ignores all the previous (nulltell, but if she's scum I think her partners would be in {jakesh, LittleGrey, zMuffin, neil1113, glowball})

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Pre-Massclaim Discussion

#36: neil states the obvious re: massclaim (null/scumtell)
#38: swankidelic calls him out on it (towntell)

#37: LittleGrey furthers my scumread on him by asking dumb questions 'What's your reason to vote for Andrew [before and after confirmation]?' (clearly stated it was a policy vote), and making what I like to call floating statements 'Now I'm wondering whether [jakesh's confirmation] vote was really random, or if there was a hidden motive to it.' which are accusations disguised as stream-of-consciousness. Also he says he thinks Muffin is scum for not realising it was the Confirmation Stage and yet still voting despite jakesh's mistake (massive scumtell).

Also yeah, she RVS' when she's already expressed suspicions of people.

#38: Swankidelic fails to point out the above flaws in LittleGrey's post despite definitely seeing it - he Preview Edited (PEdited) neil's post (scumtell)
#45: Amrun points out the underlined, indicating she is paying close attention (towntell)

#46: Overlong townread on zMuffin from Hoopla (possible buddytell, but at this point I don't consider either scummy)
#48: swankadelic points out Hoopla's possible bias to people who follow her plan (town/nulltell)

#61: Oversoul points out a softclaim (wut), then again it indicates he's been close reading (null/scumtell)

#69: DarkFlashlight rants about jakesh calling LittleGrey a VI (tentative towntell)

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Massclaim Discussion

(excluding the actual statistical discussion)
#91: Amrun - 'And if the scum kill the HT, then we get a spych/det result AND we know there's scum in that VT pool so we just kill it until it's dead.' Terrible, terrible WIFOM. (null/scumtell)

#110: I get the feeling that neil isn't paying too much attention to the massclaim plan and just piggybacking the reasons why it shouldn't happen (scumtell)

#132: glowball doesn't seem bothered to try and comprehend the plan (null/scumtell)
#134: andrew's simple post 'i don't like glowball' is daring as scum because it averts all the discussion that has been taking place while not explaining a read (towntell)

#141-3: getting scumvibes off Amrun AND Glowball (mainly Amrun) from their discussion here; if one flips scum I would probably regard the other as clearish

#149: 'What's your take on how easy the vig could get

lynched

/ pointed out if all the scum hide in the no-claim pool?' yup, neil definitely isn't paying attention (scumtell)

#173: DarkFlashlight beats the dead horse's

zombie

(scumtell)

Page 7: Glowball's giving off frustrated / angry town reads.

#182: LittleGrey's concerns are terrible (scumtell)

#192: DarkFlashlight makes the case that Glowball hasn't been reading the thread, but misses all the posts that indicate neil also hasn't being doing so... (scumtell)

#198:

Amrun - 'definitely implying prior knowledge that Hoopla is town.' Explain how this was the case.

Jumps on the super easy target of Glowball, buddies up to Hoopla and the whole post feels insincere (scumread)

#203: neil preempts getting flac for not paying attention (scumread)

#218: andrew is still being annoyingly minimalist and not posting content; here he jumps on something that is clearly not a slip (nullread)

#350-5: Townpoints for all but Hoopla. Glowball's point is good.

Page 15: Oversoul and glowball gain town points; Oversoul makes good cases and glowball is being way too bold to be scum (and if he is, neil is probs buddy)

#381: this post confirms two things 1) glowball is an idiot 2) glowball plays on epicmafia

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Questions

Amrun / Hoopla

: 'But I am slightly worried because I've seen Hooplascum manipulate the numbers before...' Link please.

zMuffinMan

: link to other games in which you have partaken in setup discussion, please

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Conclusions

• LittleGrey is most scummy.
• Neil is very scummy.
• Amrun and Swankidelic are scummy.
• Hoopla, DarkFlashlight and andrew are all null.
• jakesh and glowball could swing either nullscum or nulltown. I can't decide which.
• Oversoul and zMuffin are townie.

VOTE: LittleGrey

[Oversoul]

Waiting for Jake to respond, is it that important to respond? Couldn't we do.. you know... process of elimination? Have everyone claim and if Jake is left, and you only have 2 claimed PR's, then Jake must be the 3rd.

P-Edit, now that I think about it, the problem with this is that if there are 3 PR's, and Jake is one but hasn't claimed, scum can fake claim a PR and practically get away with it for the moment due to the lurker. Would it be a big deal if we moved on to Hider and HT and then all of a sudden get a counter claim of PR's by Jake? While it's not optimal, I don't see it being that difficult to be able to change in the moment depending on how the plan goes...

Why would we risk any sort of advantage for scum? We will wait in order to fulfill this plan in its entirety.

Still trying to rush things, Neil?

[Quilford]

Still trying to rush things, Neil?

What are you implying?

[Quilford]

and making what I like to call floating statements 'Now I'm wondering whether [jakesh's confirmation] vote was really random, or if there was a hidden motive to it.' which are accusations disguised as stream-of-consciousness.

don't do it, oversoul

you will receive scumpoints

[Oversoul]

Pedit: Now I am seriously confused. O_o

[Oversoul]

Just gonna leave me hanging, Quil...? That's cool. I guess.

Anyway, I have already stated that Neil is scum and one of my reasons is that he has continually tried to hinder the plan which I feel like he just tried to do again.

Just wish Jakesh would either replace or ... do anything really.

[Quilford]

Oversoul: thoughts on my catchup post?

[neil1113]

Just gonna leave me hanging, Quil...? That's cool. I guess.

Anyway, I have already stated that Neil is scum and one of my reasons is that he has continually

tried to hinder the plan

which I feel like he just tried to do again.

Just wish Jakesh would either replace or ... do anything really.

Last time I checked, "trying to rush things" and "trying to hinder the plan" is contradictory... I'm not sure what you're accusing me of anymore.

[Amrun]

Oversoul: thoughts on my catchup post?

Why are you so concerned with what people think about it?

The link to the game I played with Hoopla as scum is in my wiki. It is Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (PYP).

About glowball, I am not bending over backward to explain it again because I don't even suspect glowball and it's not the time for lynchin' yet.

[Quilford]

Oversoul: thoughts on my catchup post?

Why are you so concerned with what people think about it?

herp derp amrun

generally town players like to reach a consensus on each other's reads

how about you stop jumping to conclusions?

[Amrun]

Generally, town players are not so concerned with appearances.

Oh, and, btw, neil, we CANNOT proceed without ALL players.

[Quilford]

Generally, town players are not so concerned with appearances.

1) Floating statement.
2) lol how was I concerned with my appearance?
3) lol

Are you scum in this game,

too

?

[Quilford]

how about you stop jumping to conclusions?

[Amrun]

I was reflecting YOUR "floating statement."

You were anxious for what everyone thought about your wallpost, which was just your reactions to things, not a case on anyone. It is an action more likely to come from scum concerned with how townie they appear.

I don't think I've ever played a game as scum with you.

And what conclusions do you think I am leaping to?

[zMuffinMan]

please, please, please let amrun be in the lynch pool