Open 314: CSL Express [SCUM WINS]

[Oversoul]

are you and hiraki masons?

Umm... what? I thought there were no power roles in this game other than that one for the mafia members?

Also, sorry, Tragedy. I'll try to be more active, but it is a cycle.

[neil1113]

Sorry Trag, I'll be more active. I'm confused as to what just went down this last page though? I'm not sure what Shotty was getting at.

Also as far as Masons, the roles in this game are as followed: (based on Page 1)

Citizen (Vanilla Town)
2x Mafia Members (Mafia Goon)
Mafia 2-Shot Daykill Member (Self Explanatory)

Which now that I think about it, this is great because Mafia can't kill except for the Day Kill person. But by the time he/she day kills the first time, we'd be able to lynch them right? So the only deaths in the town (until he/she day kills) is our own mislynches. Without us mislynching, the Mafia can't gain any advantages or kills over us. Questions:

Hiraki, and Sigma: Have you guys played together before? A lot, or just once or twice?

@Mod - Is Jake getting replaced?

Longing, Vifam: Are you both still confident with my lynch? Why, or why not? Any other reads (scum, not town.)

Andrew, and Noggin are both on V/LA but we should not give them a free pass to do whatever they'd like. When they return, let's make sure and give them some pressure. It's easy to come back from a V/LA and not post much, and nobody question you because you weren't posting at all when you were on your V/LA.

Oversoul, who are you most comfortable pressuring? (I know your vote is on Sigma, does that still stand?)

Shotty, you said you want to start scum hunting now. Any direction you'd like to pursue? (Any person you'd like to pressure specifically?)

I realized guys, the only way for us to win this game is if we come together and pressure as a unit, and become a real threat. Not just a spread out, inactive town. You don't have to trust me, and if you want me lynched to prove my motives, fair enough. But when/if I'm taken out of the way, don't ignore what I'm saying. Also something to take note of: the "best" role right now is the two-shot daykill Mafia Member. Since it's such a power role (the only one in the game), I'd expect the person behind it to be active, really active. The people that first spark my mind when I think about who's been "running the day" is Hiraki, Longing, and Sigma. But paranoa sits in when I look at my lynch wagon and realize all three are on it. I have to wonder, would all three scum be willing to jump on the same wagon Day 1? It's highly unlikely, but it's WIFOM at the core to think about.

[Hiraki]

No, and absolutely not to your end paragraph.

Let the big boys hold these reigns.

[neil1113]

No, and absolutely not to your end paragraph.

Let the big boys hold these reigns.

Are you going to be helpful at all and play the game? If not, you know you could just replace out?

[Hiraki]

I'm very helpful to the success of this game.

[SigmaEXE003]

Hiraki, and Sigma: Have you guys played together before? A lot, or just once or twice?

Nope, never.

[drmyshottyizsik]

No, and absolutely not to your end paragraph.

Let the big boys hold these reigns.

Are you going to be helpful at all and play the game? If not, you know you could just replace out?

Neil you are the most useless player here.

[neil1113]

I'm very helpful to the success of this game.

Okay so I'll try to have an actual conversation with you. You obviously don't agree with my last paragraph? As far as the town is concerned, you believe we're better off not trusting anyone and not working together as a unit, being separate out and inactive? Rather then working together as a town and capitalizing as a unit to be an actual force to the scum team?

@Sigma, do you relate a lot to Hiraki's playing style? Like, are you similar to him in any sense? I'm trying to figure out why after a quick glimpse at your ISO's, you two seemed to be "connecting" and partnering with each other a lot? It could be because you're scum partners, but in a non-biased view, it could also be because you just have similar playing styles (or it could be explained away in a million and one other ways...) I just want to hear your explanation.

@Shotty, thanks I appreciate your posts. Care to be helpful now? Or would you rather stick to calling me useless, and being a jerk through this game?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm very helpful to the success of this game.

Okay so I'll try to have an actual conversation with you. You obviously don't agree with my last paragraph? As far as the town is concerned, you believe we're better off not trusting anyone and not working together as a unit, being separate out and inactive? Rather then working together as a town and capitalizing as a unit to be an actual force to the scum team?

@Sigma, do you relate a lot to Hiraki's playing style? Like, are you similar to him in any sense? I'm trying to figure out why after a quick glimpse at your ISO's, you two seemed to be "connecting" and partnering with each other a lot? It could be because you're scum partners, but in a non-biased view, it could also be because you just have similar playing styles (or it could be explained away in a million and one other ways...) I just want to hear your explanation.

@Shotty, thanks I appreciate your posts. Care to be helpful now? Or would you rather stick to calling me useless, and being a jerk through this game?

Where have I been a jerk?

[neil1113]

No, and absolutely not to your end paragraph.

Let the big boys hold these reigns.

Are you going to be helpful at all and play the game? If not, you know you could just replace out?

Neil you are the most useless player here.

This is a jerk statement. I'm trying to stop being anti-town and actually start playing to my win condition, despite my attitude towards some of the people that are in this game, and while I'm trying to get everyone active and talking, you'd turn around and call me the most useless player? Does that not seem like a jerk move to you?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh my god you are starting to sound like YamiChan!

[neil1113]

Oh my god you are starting to sound like YamiChan!

Am I supposed to know who that is? Listen, if you're town and you'd like to help the town, feel free to contribute. If you're scum, continue to play to your win condition. If you're town and you don't want to contribute, feel free to replace out. Either way, there's no point in us having a useless conversation that has no benefits one way or the other.

[drmyshottyizsik]

How does being useless and making myself an easy lynch play toward a mafia win con?

[neil1113]

How does being useless and making myself an easy lynch play toward a mafia win con?

While I made the point earlier that Anti-Town is not a specific tell for scum, it is helping scum. So if you're scum, and you're playing Anti-Town, it'd be playing to your win condition. If you're town, playing Anti-Town, you're not playing to your win condition. Why are you wanting to be an easy lynch though? I never used those words or said anything about lynching you, so I'm curious as to why you used that phrasing?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't want to be. But I usually seem to be when I'm town.

[SigmaEXE003]

Where have I been a jerk?

When you made that signature...

Anyway, Neil, I don't really think we have similar playing styles. Maybe in this game, but not overall. I think he knows what he's doing, though. When I believe someone's right, I'll side with them. Simple as that.

Anyway, as for the rest of it, I don't believe town can trust anyone. Especially not in a nightless game. I believe since the mafia doesn't have the power of a night kill, they'd make a better effort to lead the town into mislynches and look pro-town. You never know who you're trusting. It's better just to form reads on your own.

[neil1113]

I don't want to be. But I usually seem to be when I'm town.

So change your ways here. Modify yourself to be beneficial to the town this game, instead of whatever you usually do that makes you an easy lynch target?

[neil1113]

Where have I been a jerk?

When you made that signature...

Anyway, Neil, I don't really think we have similar playing styles. Maybe in this game, but not overall. I think he knows what he's doing, though. When I believe someone's right, I'll side with them. Simple as that.

Anyway, as for the rest of it, I don't believe town can trust anyone. Especially not in a nightless game. I believe since the mafia doesn't have the power of a night kill, they'd make a better effort to lead the town into mislynches and look pro-town. You never know who you're trusting. It's better just to form reads on your own.

I agree to a degree. Town can't fully trust anyone until proven innocent. Which unfortunately doesn't happen until you're lynched or killed. However if the town works together as a whole to be a force to reckon with, when people start forming wagons and start questioning others, with the town behind them, the suspected takes it seriously and we could get places. Instead of 11 different cases on 7 different people, and after 2 weeks we're no closer to finding a lynch suspect then when we first began.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok so with my first modification I will do this.
@Hiraki why are you trying to be over dominate? Only people with info should be like that, and ell only the mafia in the game can get info.

[Hiraki]

No, and absolutely not to your end paragraph.

Let the big boys hold these reigns.

Are you going to be helpful at all and play the game? If not, you know you could just replace out?

Neil you are the most useless player here.

For once, Shotty hits the mark.

Let's get ready for butthurt Neil.

amirite? Yes, the last line confirms this.

Perhaps we'll talk tomorrow. I'm tired.

@Hiraki why are you trying to be over dominate? Only people with info should be like that, and ell only the mafia in the game can get info.

I don't try to over dominate.

Where does it seem like that?

[Oversoul]

Jesus, Shotty. Please get rid of that signature. It isn't funny.

Neil, my vote on Sigma is from RVS. Infact, I didn't even remember I still had that vote on him at this point. He didn't produce a reaction from what I remember and his actions haven't been too scummy from what I remember.

I don't really know who to pressure. You've already been pressured and a couple of others are noticeably absent from this game. I'd like to pressure either Vifam or DJ because I feel like they are the most null of active players at the moment. Plus it would help with my Vifam FoS . Also, DJ's last comment doesn't sit well since he asked a question he could answer himself if he actually cared.

[drmyshottyizsik]

No, and absolutely not to your end paragraph.

Let the big boys hold these reigns.

[don_johnson]

v/la til 27th

[Hiraki]

Truth=/=Overdominating

[drmyshottyizsik]

You are being condescending and intimidating.