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The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count1.10
Kdub [5] – kunkstar7, Amrun, ooba, Fate, Kast
Iecerint [2]– Lady Lambdadelta, havingfitz
havingfitz [1]– Kdub
kunkstar7 [1]– bv310
Lady Lambdadelta [1]– Robocopter87
Not Voting– Albert B. Rampage, Iecerint
With 12 players alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.
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Kast wrote:With Fitz, it seems more aimed at taking advantage of Fitz being a less analytical player.
kunkstar7 wrote:havingfitz wrote:Lie. SpyreX's flip has absolutely nothing to do with my read on LLd and nowhere do I make any connection between the two.
Actually you do, in Post #209 although admittedly based on the information that Fate had killed Spyrex. You said "LLd =~ town". This still bugs me. You hold to the point that LLd's claim was more likely to come from town and back off from LLd, but maintain that she is your top suspect. I would think accepting the claim as true would go hand in hand with a town read.
Thanks for chiming in. I said, "LLd =~ town"...sewthaphucwut? Anything I may have thought or currently think about Fate or SpyreX has absolutely nothing to due with the fact I am inclined to believe LLd's claim at this time (ie the .5 town comment) until something happens to change my mind.Town 57w-66l :: Not Town 29w-16l:: TBD 2
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Kast wrote:To be clear, Kdub isn't a strong scum case; I still prefer kunk and will switch if there is support for it. However, I don't think kunk is a plausible lynch at the moment, and with the low amount of content he is posting, I don't see enough material to reasonably convince others to switch over.
To paraphrase, "I'm not going to try to push a case against lurkers (even ones I think are more likely to be scum) because they aren't posting enough". Considering how little you have said about why you think kunk is scum, this looks like you being lazy and hopping on an "acceptable" wagon instead of making a case against a suspect.
@ Amrun #268:
- My vote on Iec was pretty clearly my first vote with serious reasoning. Your first two points are not valid if you look at context.
- I'm not even sure what you "dislike" about my earlier case against Iecerint. You keep saying "I dislike that he did this...." without saying why those things are either wrong or scummy.
- I did not FoS fitz for assuming SpyreX was a scumkill. Not sure how you got that. I also don't see where you get the 3/4 number, the only time I brought up numbers was in reference to fitz suggesting there was a 2/3 chance that Iec was scum. This last point really makes me question whether you read my posts at all.
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-I disagree that the vote being the first with serious reasoning invalidates those points.
-I explained it in my little case. I didn't like the timing of the attack or much of the content in it. You said, "You're not pressuring LLD! You're not stating your reads clearly!" when he was being clear and he was pressuring LLD, and then later, you attacked him for clearly pressuring SpyreX et. al. and stating clear reads. This line of reasoning just makes no sense.
-Definitely mixed up some stuff about fitz. I was in a rush and phoneposting at work while doing like 10 other things. I read your ISO and then sat down and wrote it and by the time I got to the end of the points I had thought of, I forgot some things.
Kdub wrote:I'm pretty sure Fate was being sarcastic, especially since town-Fate would certainly have shot at LLD there.
I'll wait for confirmation from Fate and others that they weren't responsible for the SpyreX shot before saying anything further. If nobody claims it, I'll assume it came from scum,and in that case...
FoS: havingfitz
(Emphasis mine.) I don't see how the SpyreX kill being a scumkill in your eyes leads you to FoS fitz. In general, your case against fitz just has no substance.
Sorry for the mistakes there, but my conclusion doesn't change. You have a higher chance of being scum than most other players at this point.-
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Kast is softly attacking kdub for him voting Iecerint and havingfitz with weak reasoning.
Fitz is scummy according to kdub because he is repeating the same arguments that he pointed out against Iecerint in the first place. Oh and the 2/3 estimation.
He claimed Icerint was scummy because he maintains a neutral stance in regards to all the other players.
This is all pretty much throwaway data IMO. Random accusations to get the game going. We're still in RVS as far as I'm concerned.
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I can generally agree with all of that. What about LLD?-
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My evaluation of the game so far:
*player does something to get the game going*
"Yo that reason is bad"
--nothing happens--
*player does something to get the game going again*
"Nope nope BAD REASONING"
--someone claims--
*player bandwagons to get the game going again*
"THAT IS SO SCUMMEH"
--someone dies in the middle of the day--
*player posts a slight suspicions to get the game going again*
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Hi guys!
So I'm back from the lake BUT a boy came over and is cooking me dinner at 11:30 PM.
SO I WILL CATCH BACK UP TOMORROW.
I will state that I am surprised that Kdub made the post that he made. I would not have expected scum to abandon me as the counterwagon. I need to read properly and things.-
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Also I missed something really important.
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Amrun wrote: I don't see how the SpyreX kill being a scumkill in your eyes leads you to FoS fitz.
That's not what you originally said though. You said that I FoSed fitz becauseheassumed SpyreX was a scumkill, which is not true. The fact that you are not admitting this and continue to push ahead in trying to use this to find me scummy in any way is extremely stubborn at best.
Amrun wrote:Kdub, what is your read on Iecerint?
Conflicted, but if I had to take a stand, I'm leaning town right now.Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Mafia - 17-player large theme, currently needs (0) replacements-
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Sorry guys, had some RL stuff to do.
I plopped in to do stuff on my Modded games but didn't come into here.
But why was I prodded? Makes no sense, it hasn't even been three days at this post.
Anywho, I should be more active now. I've done a quick skim. Will go back more in depth soon.
Thyough I wantz LLD lynch I'm afraid it just ain't happening.
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@ fitz:
3. The original reason wasn't "disproved;" I had the chronology mixed up. It is accurate that LLD's existing votes contributed to keeping me from voting her at certain times.
5. Yes
6. When Fate decided to apologize for his early play rather than discredit me with sketchy logic, my read on him changed very quickly. I think scumFate is very concerned with leading the early game -- even more than townFate -- and I didn't think he would discredit himself that way as scum.
Re: buddying in the fitz/Kdub exchange -- the difference is that it is normal for Fate-Iec to buddy (as my post that you think is a scumclaim for reasons that don't make sense AFAICT shows), but I think it was weird for LLD based on my limiting experience with her. If ever, you should buddy people you think are town; not people who you think might be on the fence about lynching you. The former builds a bloc that intimidates scum if it's done properly; the latter is just self-preservation.
Amrun wrote:-He [Kdub] wagons kunk, saying, "I'll bite," implying he thinks ooba has a reason, but then later indicates he knew ooba wasn't serious about kunkstar.
This is a good point.
Re: Kast's list -- Looks OK, but I think Robocopter town. What playstyle differences are you talking about? Also, could you tell me why kunk is scum?-
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I'll be around, but I'm not going to be super active.
In other news, I dislike Ooba's assessment of the "if Vig doesn't claim, it's scum".Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Bite me Fate~
Oh, but damn you for being town this game. I don't even get the satisfaction of trying to kill you for being scum. Instead I have to sit here and take your misguided verbal abuse, knowing that you're being dumb, not scum.
Someone want to quickly explain the Kdub wagon?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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LL, read the thread.
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@Kdub-
I agree and acknowledge that my vote on you is not based on a solid 100% case.
Your assessment regarding kunk is inaccurate. I posted my thoughts about him. People commented and generally disagreed or did not want to pursue him. He has made a reasonable defense post, and then continued the sheeping/appeasement/blending. There's really no additional case at this point, except perhaps a lurker case (which is maybe the crux of your admonition?). However, I don't believe a lurker case would be effective, and I think you know that.
To be clear, you read like you are just saying, "Don't vote me! Vote your top suspect even though it'll be a waste of your vote." If you are willing to join the kunk wagon and there are others similarly interested, then I'll be glad to move. Otherwise, I'm rejecting your proposition.
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Robo's insistence on pushing LLD despite her claim shows a very different approach to PR claims. Actually, his strong insistence on a single D1 suspect in general (while feeling genuine) is a bit extreme. It's hard to read if it is being used as a screen. I agree there is a valid case against LLD, but once she claimed investigative PR, she becomes (or should become) a low priority.
My scum read on Kunk comes from his early posts (and there's no content in recent posts to change that).
-His initial vote on Iec is ideally timed to distract from the growing LLD wagon and start a counter wagon. He claims it was a mistake, but if he wasn't called on it, I'm dubious that it would have been moved/changed.
-His switch to Kdub is blatant sheeping Spyrex while pretending he is pushing his own case (it is less effective, but also a distraction/counter to the LLD wagon).
--His few posts with content also seem to be buddying or sheeping (and potentially aimed at dispelling the lurker tag).
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Kunk's whole iso is scummy, but I've been scumbuddies with kunk and he played way better and much more pro-town. When I have some time I'll take a gander at some townmeta and a bigger sample size of his scum meta. (Kunk, care to help me out with this?)
Kdub, are you under the impression that I think I have t3h best kase evars? I know that I don't, but there isn't a better one to be made on anyone else, and all your attempts to do so underwhelm me.
Also I got a prod awhile back and should not have, after reading the rules again.-
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We need more bv310 (WTF?)...and to a lesser degree ooba.
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bv310 has already been prodded.
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