NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[Ythan]

I just want to clarify. The majority of my current suspicion of you is based on the fact that you accused me of bussing without expressing any suspicion of the scum I was attacking. If you thought I was a traitor bussing scum you must have thought they were scum. Which you do not seem to have thought.

[Oversoul]

I just want to clarify. The majority of my current suspicion of you is based on the fact that you accused me of bussing without expressing any suspicion of the scum I was attacking. If you thought I was a traitor bussing scum you must have thought they were scum. Which you do not seem to have thought.

Oh. My god, I misread that post of yours too. I was uncertain because people kept saying that it was either one or the other (meaning either Ethos was scum or Para was scum, but not both) and I had previously thought both of them were town. I couldn't make up my mind on which one was scum at the time because you were stressing me out prying me for answers to my cryptic comments. Also, I didn't think it mattered because people were piling onto their wagons and I thought they would both get lynched within 2 days. I was more preoccupied with you (who at the time I thought was traitor) running the show.

If it matters I think Ethos is the scummier of the two.

[Ythan]

I'm not sure that's all plausible but I will sift through it later.

[SpyreX]

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Good lord gone for an afternoon and back to this.

UT has the right of it for more than a few reasons - if this is true then there is FAR more to gain then to lose by coming clear.

And I'm going to flat out ask if Para is a mason because that answer better be yes.

Unvote

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Hikari

I don't get the calls for him to claim buddies. Is that based purely on a presumption of innocence or is it including safety from it being a fakeclaim?

[Yosarian2]

Standard procedure when someone claims mason is to wait and not make the partners claim until the day before lynch or lose. Scum really can't fake a mason claim for long, especially a 3 man mason group, and if we just leave it alone the scum probably have to kill the mason. The whole point of masons is that they are confirmed innocents, and the longer in the game you can keep your confirmed innocents hidden, the more it helps the town.

That being said, this is kind of a weird situation. Looking back at the Ethos/Ythan debate, Ethos never actually denied being a mason, he just denied being a mason with me. In fact, his response was "I'm not going to soft-claim just because you asked me to", which is pretty ambiguous. I donno though, while you almost never see a scum fakeclaim mason, I could see Ethos-scum do it after Ythan made such a big deal about it earlier. I tend to trust this mason claim a little less then I usually do.

Meh. We could wait. If Ethos is lying, we'll know soon enough. There's no way there's 3 masons and a cop in the same game, so if there is a cop in this game, he or she already knows Ethos is lying. If there is a different mason group in this game, they know Ethos is lying. And I don't think this game is balanceable without the town having either a cop or a mason group. So if he's scum, I think we're certain to catch him eventually, and if he's he's town, we don't want him to claim mason partners today.

[Yosarian2]

Overlord, why did you just claim VT? It's really anti-town to do that. What are you doing?

[T-Bone]

As far as anything is concerned, we should be treating Masons as power roles. Pretty powerful for a group of people confirmed to each other compare and contrast notes privately. And thus further discussion on the rest of them outing themselves is not pro-town discussion.

Remember the list roles on the first page are POSSIBLE ROLES. What if this mason group are the only power roles and everyone else is Vanilla or scum? Then it would be very bad for them to be outted on Day 1. Bad enough Ethos had to do it.

I don't see a counter-claim, I don't see a mason saying "nope not in my group" which should lead everyone to the conclusion that he isn't lying.

The votes on this lynch train should stop at the next station and hop off.

[Untrod Tripod]

As far as anything is concerned, we should be treating Masons as power roles. Pretty powerful for a group of people confirmed to each other compare and contrast notes privately. And thus further discussion on the rest of them outing themselves is not pro-town discussion.

Remember the list roles on the first page are POSSIBLE ROLES. What if this mason group are the only power roles and everyone else is Vanilla or scum? Then it would be very bad for them to be outted on Day 1. Bad enough Ethos had to do it.

I don't see a counter-claim, I don't see a mason saying "nope not in my group" which should lead everyone to the conclusion that he isn't lying.

The votes on this lynch train should stop at the next station and hop off.

This post is so wrongheaded it's making me dizzy.

[T-Bone]

It's pretty right actually. You're essentially asking for some power roles to reveal themselves to have some confirmed town rather than let them be. Confirmed town = targets.

I'm sorry but a VT mafia kill is more desirable than a Mason kill. I don't know how on earth you could think differently, unless of course you want the mafia to kill the masons, and really there is only two reasons you'd want that.

[xRECKONERx]

Chair (1): T-Bone
Yosarian2 (2): Swag136, Knight of Cydonia
Hiraki (2): dramonic, Empking
Îdher (1): Oversoul
Ethos (4): kanyeknowsbest, Untrod Tripod, Hiraki, Ythan
Empking (3): Îdher, Yosarian2, Ethos
saporovirus (1): kunkstar7

Not voting: Chair, saporovirus, SpyreX

Deadline is in (expired on 2011-06-27 21:00:00).
With

17

alive, it takes

9

votes to lynch!
dramonic is V/LA until June 22nd.
Prodding kanyeknowsbest and Swag136. If Swag doesn't respond within 24 hours, he will be force-replaced.

[Empking]

It's pretty right actually. You're essentially asking for some power roles to reveal themselves to have some confirmed town rather than let them be. Confirmed town = targets.

I'm sorry but a VT mafia kill is more desirable than a Mason kill. I don't know how on earth you could think differently, unless of course you want the mafia to kill the masons, and really there is only two reasons you'd want that.

This is reaching.

[kunkstar7]

Not enthralled with the mason claim, but ultimately read it coming from Ethos as town. This also implies a town connection on Para, not because of masonage, but because Ethos reasoning on Para's frustration making him look town is a bit more valid in this sense. Also Yos makes the slot look better. This does nothing for Spyrex and Ythan town reads though, more or less making my gut of town on town tearing itself apart look better in my eyes.

Vote: Empking.

[T-Bone]

Afraid not Empking.

[Hiraki]

Okay so I re-read. Ethos needs to die.

Continue.

[T-Bone]

And why is that Hiraki?

[Oversoul]

Overlord, why did you just claim VT? It's really anti-town to do that. What are you doing?

I know claiming VT is generally a bad thing, but I was flailing at the time. Ythan destroyed my opinion on the Ethos and Para slot wagons and then started to demand more from me. I felt if I gave him my role pm it would prove to him that I am town. I still don't think he believes me, though.

Just wondering, Yos, but why is claiming VT generally anti-town? I believe it to be anti-town because it is the most common role that scum fakeclaims. However, I am interested in your opinion.

[Hiraki]

And why is that Hiraki?

Because he's scummy.

Please don't make me write something large.

That was the whole point of the one little post.

[T-Bone]

I do want you to write something large.

[Hiraki]

no.

[Ythan]

Agree with Untrod on T-Boner.

This does nothing for Spyrex and Ythan town reads though, more or less making my gut of town on town tearing itself apart look better in my eyes.

Invalid opinion.

I felt if I gave him my role pm it would prove to him that I am town.

I can't imagine any reason a player would think this.

[T-Bone]

Ethos claims Mason and four people are still voting for him? Why?

And

Unvote

Vote: Hiraki

For the previous exchange. Hiraki to be lynched today definitely.

[Chair]

I'm basically waiting to discuss a bunch of things with misder once he gets back. I believe the mason claim.

-implosion

[Hiraki]

Where did Ethos claim Mason?

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Completely missed that.

Unvote, Vote: Oversoul