The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Iecerint]

I am a little hurt that SpyreX apparently does not know the content of my heart.

I need to get up early for the test tomorrow, so this is my last post of the night. Until tomorrow afternoon!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The person who shot SpyreX claims now, or is labeled as scum forever.

That was the worst shot I have EVER seen.

[Fate]

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[Lady Lambdadelta]

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You didn't...

[bv310]

Smooth move Fate. Explain please.

[Robocopter87]

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Seriously?

If so, Why?

If not, Who?

[Amrun]

Fate had a scumread on Spyre and I hesitate to have any claims clarified.

[ooba]

@Iece
Early on was more RVS - thought a wagon on him would be good.
Now it's because of 83 where he comments on three people but votes for another person shows some *cognitive dissonance* as SpyreX would call it. (surpirsed he hasn't called out kunstar for this though) .. Plus 92 gives me bussing vibes ..

@Kdub - it was for that reaction. More akin to a "I can't believe you caught me for such a stupid reaction". The meta thing is more confirmation.. I'll reconsider if it comes back in the negative ..
Regarding Iece, his reactions\defense seem town to me ..

@SpyreX - the fact that you indicate I choose LL, Iece over Fate seems to indicate we are scumbuddies? Or maybe I just made that leap because Iece's posts seem to indicate Fate's actions towards me are not genuine ..

@LL's claim
- Testable so not today's lynch

I don't like Iece's 145 - reaction to the claim .. (this continues in 164)

@Kast
Yes - I am moving it ..

183 - No.

194 - Fate makes a good note on her making an avatar bet when she has what looks like a verifiable & power role. But lynching her is a suboptimal move ..

201 - LL's reaction to the shot is scummy. Just because SpyreX was

your

town read doesn't make it a bad shot.

I approve of the shot. I also don't approve of any clarifications.

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Unvote. Vote: Kdub

- Don't like his attacks on Iece.
- Think he is scum with kunstar

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

1.7

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Kdub [3] – kunkstar7, Amrun, ooba

Iecerint [2]

– Kdub, Lady Lambdadelta

kunkstar7 [2]

– bv310, Kast

Lady Lambdadelta [2]

– Robocopter87, Fate

Not Voting

– Albert B. Rampage, havingfitz, Iecerint

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With 12 players alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 1 at 12pm PST (3pm EST).

[havingfitz]

I think the day before USMLE boards is the wrong day for me to push a unilateral crusade on someone. I also very rarely do that as town in general.

Iec...are you saying you are unilaterally pushing a crusade on someone ATM (Kdub?) and that you rarely do that as town? If so...isn't that like a self-meta admission of being scum

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Fate...do you not think there is a chance LLD is telling the truth? Her claim seems believable to me barring a counter claim or some sort or verfication of some kind.

Plus with what I assume was Fate's daykill on SpyreX...now we have 2.5 confirmed town (the .5 being LLD) as I highly doubt the game would include a scum role that would allow for a daykill. That would just be wrong.

So SpyreX is town and IMO, Fate = town and LLD =~town. Need to look over what townie opinions SpyreX was able to provide and see where his head was.

Amrun and ooba...when you are saying you don't want claims clarified are you saying you don't want Fate to explain why he killed SpyreX?

I'm not sure what the case on Kdub is. I need to look into that.

bv310...why only three posts? Are you at goofbash too? Is your vote on kunkstar serious?

VOTE: Iecerint

[Fate]

Nope.

Kill her.

[Fate]

And yeah I obviously shot SpyreX over LLD.

How could have I ever have hoped to fool you guiz?

;_;

[havingfitz]

And yeah I obviously shot SpyreX over LLD.

How could have I ever have hoped to fool you guiz?

Fate...for the slow members of the town (me) could you please confirm whether you in fact killed SpyreX?

And if it was you...that reminds me, why wasn't it LLD instead?

[Kdub]

I'm pretty sure Fate was being sarcastic, especially since town-Fate would certainly have shot at LLD there.

I'll wait for confirmation from Fate and others that they weren't responsible for the SpyreX shot before saying anything further. If nobody claims it, I'll assume it came from scum, and in that case...

FoS: havingfitz

[Amrun]

It is not pro-town to clarify claims at any point.

[havingfitz]

@Kdub...if Fate was being sarcastic then the question goes back to who did it. I've never played in a game where scum had any kind of daykill ability so is not something I would have considered (and still don't).

So you're FoS'ing me because if scum killed SpyreX you think that somehow implicates me? If so...how?

[Kast]

I'm sad that Spyrex was killed. If it was done by a vig, it was a pretty bad shot.

I lost a post when the thread locked, but a couple thoughts in response to Robo:
-TBATB1 had one scum with a fake claim who was also a delayed death-miller(death-GF?)
-There were delayed, framing, and limited reveal mechanics in place which could result in almost any townie flipping with death-miller flavor before the delayed reveal
-In TBATB1, scum were drawn from "villains" or "evil" characters, but it wasn't such a strong distinction that they would necessarily need fake claims. I could easily see the same thing happening here; mafia could be drawn from good, evil, or ambiguous fairy tale characters. Regardless, are you trying to say that LLD's claim is plausible, but it is probably a fake claim? Sounds like unnecessary confirmation bias.
--Also, given the Ariel claim and the Disney inspiration for the character art, there is a possibility for LLD-Ursula with a disguise/fake as Ariel.

@Spyrex killer claiming-
It's pretty silly at this point to demand a claim from Spyrex's killer. If the killer is scum, we're almost certainly not getting anything that will help us. If the killer is a vig, then it's inevitably going to lead to either the vig's death or a claim that helps scum far more than it helps town (or both). If it was done by a vig, I would strongly expect it is one-shot and so the vig is probably vanilla now. Publicly IDing that player would most likely be equivalent to narrowing down the pool for scum.

In this case, claiming and/or clarifying a vig claim does not help us. I have to disagree with Amrun's statement though; there are obviously times where clarifying a claim can be extremely beneficial (and even game winning) for town. This is not one of those times.

@Ooba-
If you think Kdub is scum with Kunkstar, how about a vote on Kunkstar?

Kunkstar hasn't posted much, but what he has shared looks like not reading carefully and trying to parrot/buddy other people. I could see the Kdub vote as a weak form of distancing/bussing; but it's not really a strong connection.

@Mod-

Prod on kunkstar please.

[Amrun]

Oh, yes, sometimes clarifying is fine. Not now.

[ReaperCharlie]

@Mod-

Prod on kunkstar please.

kunkstar's not due for a prod yet.

[Robocopter87]

I lost a post when the thread locked, but a couple thoughts in response to Robo:
-TBATB1 had one scum with a fake claim who was also a delayed death-miller(death-GF?)
-There were delayed, framing, and limited reveal mechanics in place which could result in almost any townie flipping with death-miller flavor before the delayed reveal
-In TBATB1, scum were drawn from "villains" or "evil" characters, but it wasn't such a strong distinction that they would necessarily need fake claims. I could easily see the same thing happening here; mafia could be drawn from good, evil, or ambiguous fairy tale characters. Regardless, are you trying to say that LLD's claim is plausible, but it is probably a fake claim? Sounds like unnecessary confirmation bias.
--Also, given the Ariel claim and the Disney inspiration for the character art, there is a possibility for LLD-Ursula with a disguise/fake as Ariel.

Yes, thats what I'm saying.

I'm saying that this game is probably all power roles like the first, and that just because somebody claims a power role, doesn't mean we should back off fully. But rather ponder the situation. I have pondered and I think LLD is in still scum.

I am not backing off the lynch just yet.

[Amrun]

Ursula-Ariel is an INTERESTING PROPOSITION.

I really don't like how LLD soft-claimed no PR and then bam! PR.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ursula-Ariel is an INTERESTING PROPOSITION.

I really don't like how LLD soft-claimed no PR and then bam! PR.

That wasn't a soft claim of no PR.

That was a "Fate you're fucking wrong, and I'm going to laugh at you when this is over" claim.

Get it right~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, and what are you going to do, lynch every heroine because there's a complimentary villain?

Snow White is clearly the Witch, right?

Oh and Cinderella is OBVIOUSLY the Step Mother, right?

Your logic falls apart here.

[Amrun]

Maybe you'll drive my lynch to the gallows, but the final satisfaction will be mine.

Unless of course, some of the town on my wagon come to their senses and ignore your ravings.

Lol LLD can't even fakeclaim a PR now

LOLGGSCUM

This was what I was referring to, not the bet.

And do you see me voting for you? Still don't want to lynch you.

[ooba]

@Ooba-
If you think Kdub is scum with Kunkstar, how about a vote on Kunkstar?

Individually, Kdub is much more scummier than Kunkstar. His attack on Iece + the FOS on fitz vs well the post where Kun voted for Iece. I'll stay here for the time being.

@Robo, Fate
LLD is not the lynch for today.

@BV,@Kunk - Fate is vla at goofbash and has more posts than both of you combined .. You gotta step up the posting ..