Open 314: CSL Express [SCUM WINS]

[don_johnson]

/confirming...

vote: drmyshottyizsik

hes not a doctor.

[don_johnson]

wow. ninja'd by 6 posts. one was an hour ago? how did that happen. anyhow:

unvote, vote: noggin

nobody calls me jonathon

[don_johnson]

nice. lets see if we can waste an entire page discussing avatars.

[don_johnson]

What would you like to discuss?

Neil getting an avatar would actually increase the chances of a town win in this game.

how about this ridiculous math?

vote: vifam

go go vifam bandwagon.

[don_johnson]

i didn't see jakesh's vote, but whatever. i don't have an issue with you being at L-2.

all of them are obviously comfortable with your lynch for them to be wagoning you...

please don't assume things. you are making a blanket statement here that has no base in fact. i'm comfortable with him at L-2, not sure if i would have hammered him on page 4.

[don_johnson]

no its not. but whatever.

vifam: how do you know what i am interested in?

[don_johnson]

not playing stupid. just pointing out that you are assuming everyones intentions. some players vote for pressure. yes, every vote carries a certain inherent intent to lynch, but you seem to implying something much more devious. like some sort of quicklynch attempt was being made. lighten up. and don't call me stupid.

[don_johnson]

this thread looks interesting now. i will catch up tomorrow.

[don_johnson]

There is no town reason to with-hold content. I hope you realize this.

he says as he witholds content.

unvote, vote: hiraki

anfrew, come join the shotty/dj voting block. neil too.

[don_johnson]

are you and hiraki masons?

[don_johnson]

v/la til 27th

[don_johnson]

let's lynch vifam.

unvote, vote: vifam

[don_johnson]

why on earth would scum hammer themselves? and why can't we lynch vifam?

i thought he put himself to L-1. self hammer is bad news.

[don_johnson]

Dj was never on the neil wagon.

[don_johnson]

Vifam hate is mostly gut. I did not want neil lynched and I think his wagon is uber scummy and I am upset he self hammered. I think hiraki should go Next. But I was also wary of sigma. This game needs scum to play fast and hard and thats exactly what hiraki has done.

[don_johnson]

Read my sig. I dont have a winning recors as scum from bad play. Argument fail. Why do you think vifam is scum?

[don_johnson]

coventry should claim. he's obviously outed himself by virtue of the fact that he obviously doesn't have a townie pm or he would have understood the venge kill mechanic. his posts read town, but not understanding how the game works is going to hurt us. if you are power, claim with targets before scum shoot you.

[don_johnson]

yeah, good point. i'm not really paying attention.

vote: coventry

because he's posting the shit out of this thread so theres no way he could be paying less attention than me and yet he still couldn't seem to grasp the venge kill mechanic even though its part of the only townie pm. *breathes*

uh huh.

[don_johnson]

Its a good point. And joining me is the most sensible thing since the hard boiled egg slicer. If im wrong you can lynch me.

[don_johnson]

Shotty and Don_Johnson,

Dumb is dumb and misinterpreting Sigma's death scene was certainly dumb on my part. Would either of you care to explain how that would make it more likely that I was scum, though?

its not that you "misinterpreted" it. you seemed to have no idea that a venge kill mechanic existed.

does anyone else have "the marakesh express" playing in their head every time they post in here?

hiraki, you know i'm town. get on the coventry wagon. you were willing to test your theory with the vifam wagon, why not coventry?

[don_johnson]

why has noone answered my question?

anyhow, i like how you avoid the question you quote hiraki. thats smooth.

coventry made a scumslip regarding the pm. not sure why the mod would send her a different pm than the rest of us, but whatever.

if its me or someone else, i'll be voting someone else. so yeah. i'm pretty content with lynching anyone but me right about now. heres a list in order of preference:

coventry
oversoul
vifam
noggin
longing.

thats actually in no particular order. now, tell me again how you think scum would be playing in a set-up like this. everyone, thank you.

[don_johnson]

no logic. lighten up lynchbait.

[don_johnson]

Don_John can you get anymore scummier?.

scummier than what? You?

Andrew: I think its pretty significant. But im ok with the vifam lynch to. Cov is first choice.

[don_johnson]

W
H
Y
?

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote vifam

[don_johnson]

A better question is : why not?

[don_johnson]

thats laughable. he's been campaigning for the vifam wagon all day and saying that vifam scum = donscum and then when i vote vifam he tries to kill the wagon and vote me. makes no sense. in any case, if we're not lynching vifam, i'll vote hiraki. i get town from shotty.

[don_johnson]

No. A better question is why.

no. i am obviously not wallposting cases in this game so asking me "why?" seems like a waste of time. noone can give me a reason why i am scummy aside from pointing to my playstyle, which is simply the least accurate way to scumhunt. vifam is criticizing those of us who are voting and saying things like "lynches don't just happen," but is not doing anything himself to achieve a lynch. i.e. its just a bit hypocritical. all i'm saying is i want him to give me a reason not to lynch him, and he doesn't. but whatever.

Not that you're voting for Vifam any longer anyway. Now you're voting for Hiraki.

pay attention. my vote is on vifam.

And by the way, Hiraki taking his vote off Vifam when you put your vote on Vifam is a town tell, though it's not enough to give me a town read for him.

how so? hiraki said a vifam lynch would help determine donscum, but when don supports him he changes tune? i was voting vifam when you were still peeing your pants and stumbling into coffe tables while yuour parents were getting drunk at the bar next door. jk. but seriously, what has changed between then and now that makes hiraki want to change his stance. has vifam done something pro-town that i missed? is hiraki backtracking on his earlier hypothesis? the fact that you are ignoring these things does not bode well for you.

At this point I would be tempted to jump off any wagon that had you and Shotty both on it, no matter what I thought my reads were telling me. I'm sorry, but your behavior has been that consistently suspect.

what "behavior"? i've been voting rather consistently. are you referreing to my playstyle? what are your reads telling you that you are choosing to ignore?

[don_johnson]

vifam: i did not ignore 323, in fact, it reinforces my scumread of you. in it you say that hiraki is scum, and that i am also scum. is hiraki/dj scumteam really still plausible to you? and if so, why? the fact that you havent moved your vote from hiraki to me forces me to assume you are still hard on for the hiraki lynch. as sig's flip showed us, some of the bigger proponents of the neil lynch may very well be town. do you think the people actively pushing neil are more likely to be scum than those players who simply hopped the wagon? which category do you place hiraki in(pusher or hopper)?

cov: the more i think about your "pm mistake", the more i think it actually confirms you as town. i have to assume that scum have daytalk, which would make your "mistake" a town tell or the cleverest scum gambit i have ever seen. so i apologize for that. in regards to vifam, i think his voting record(being on the mislynch) is reason enough for a certain amount of suspicion. i don't have "reason" to vote him other than PoE, his mislynch vote, and his recent posts which just don't seem to make sense(hiraki/dj scumteam suggestion). so whatever. i think he is a good place to start in looking for scum on the mislynch wagon. at this point i will be very surprised if he flips town. i don't think hiraki is a great lynch as i get the feeling he may be in the same boat as sigma(well-intentioned but misguided town).

[don_johnson]

seriously, go back and reread from the day 1 lynch forward and then ask yourself why hiraki would possibly have unvoted vifam to vote dj. according to hiraki(who you pointed out manufactured a false history of vifam suspicion) dj town=vifam town and vifamscum=djscum. so there is no reason AT ALL to move his vote the way he did unless he is scum with vifam. think about it. if you guys want to lunch hiraki first i am game, but i'd like to start with vifam out of sheer pride(i.e. i nailed him on day 1 while the neil wagon was chugging in the wrong direction.)

[don_johnson]

Is my math wrong, or is this lylo?

[don_johnson]

glow, will you switch to vifam?

[don_johnson]

you havent asked me a single question. i'm not ignoring your posts. there is noting relevant in them to me. i am not completely sold on hiraki scum, otherwise i would probably have already switched. you are my biggest scum read atm, have been since early on. you were on the neil wagon. sorry, but there is no "case" against me that i can see other than a dislike of my playstyle. hunting off the day 1 mislynch wagon is suboptimal. thats basic mafia theory. you claim i am "ignoring" your posts, but you haven't posted jack shit. now why would you leave the mildly successful hiraki wagon for the dj wagon? very similar to hirakis move. its ok if you guys want to bus each other. finding really mediocre reasons to jump off each other wagons is pretty poor form. we're better off voting the players more likely to be scum considering this is effectively lylo. lynching the guy who had a town read on a townie on day 1 and seems to be ruffling the feathers of two main suspects is probably not the best lynch, don't ya think? now, about this "ignoring", hows about you format some questions for me and then i'll answer them.

edit: now you are accusing hiraki of bussing which proves that your wagon hop was a lateral move. what purpose does it serve for you to move from a larger to a smaller wagon in what is effectively lylo?

[don_johnson]

can we get an extension?

vifam is the lead wagon. i'll switch to hiraki if need be. shotty would be my last choice, but how is this going to work? does the largest wagon get lynched? theres no night phase, so deadline isn't much of a threat...

[don_johnson]

Hm. Hiraki, can you see the glowball/vifam love? Its kind of wierd...

[don_johnson]

Hi crypto, any reasons on oversoul?

[don_johnson]

Ok.

unvote, vote hiraki

[don_johnson]

is that a scum win? if so, gg guys. you should always listen to dj...

[don_johnson]

Scum still has a daykill. Sig was killed by neil. Not sure if vifamscum would have pulled that last gambit, so I want to reread before I vote today. If not the whole thread, at least some iso analysis. Shotty needs good look. More comfortable with andrew as town.

[don_johnson]

Crypto: if you had to choose, shotty or glowball? And do you have vifam as town or no?

[don_johnson]

Why arent we lynching oversoul?

As soon as our heat wave is over il post more.

[don_johnson]

vote: oversoul

at this point shotty>glowball

[don_johnson]

new plan.

unvote, vote andrew

seems like a lylo bully to me.

[don_johnson]

i can't really explain that. just kind of bored. i'm not terribly happy with the lynch choices. maybe we should just go back to vifam. that was some epic distancing. what do you think? and what exactly is the case on glowball(in a nutshell please)?

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote shotty

whatevs.

[don_johnson]

argh.
seriously.
argh.
shotty, please post and claim. both you and hiraki were playing this game fast and loose which is exactly what i would expect from scum. do you think vifam is scum or town and why?

[don_johnson]

I gave reason for shotty.

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: glowball

put your vote on shotty and i'll hammer him. if not, you're getting lynched. you're doing nothing positive with your time.

[don_johnson]

vote: shotty

[don_johnson]

i don't think shotty is town. so whatevs.

[don_johnson]

hows about crypto?

[don_johnson]

Hello? This is lylo, why are you guys stagnating?

why are you not throwing shotty from the train?

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: vifam

should have never backed off this one.

[don_johnson]

I think vifam may be scum. Yes. Shotty too. Or oversoul. Or you. But certainly vifam.

[don_johnson]

Sorry. I am just waiting to see if crypto will bus his buddy or join the vifam counterwagon.

[don_johnson]

vote: shotty

scum win?

[don_johnson]

i thought vifam did great. he took advantage of a lackidaisical town. i had you guys split into oversoul/vifam and shotty/crypto at the end. should have gone with my original gut. and i wish shotty would have put in a little more effort.

shotty: i have been in your situation before(where you have the scumteam nailed), and i only say this from experience, but in that situation you have to start posting your ass off and appealing to the players you think are town. by not addressing crypto and i, you left me little to work with. but whatever. town didn't lose because of us. we'll get em next time.