Battle Mage wrote:I feel i've been doing pretty well here so far, so i'm not particularly sympathetic to a self diagnosed "meh vote" that is entirely based on my personality...
I think that this is fair and I will summarize my cause for your continued vote within the next day or so depending upon how my weekend goes.
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Medicated Lain wrote:More on green crayons: Everything about the situation with Magua sits so wrong with me. If Magua hadn't of been referencing an old game, would it really make sense to pull someone with a day kill ability out on day one? They're obviously not scum, because giving scum a day kill ability in this game.. I just don't see that happening. Does it make sense to direct someone with a day kill on day one? I'm thinking about an argument that came up in the other game I'm playing now, about how day one is the worse day for the town. We're in day one, there was no night one first, which means the only people that have information on other people in the game are the mafia, and I guess if there's a mason group... but the only one we can be certain on, is the mafia. That means they hold a higher amount of information than everyone else, and thus have a higher ability of manipulating the town. So why is it, that it makes sense for you to direct someone who you think is a day killer to make an extra kill on the day that we are most blind in our abilities to judge the information we see?
All this being said, the only person you've voted for this whole game is Magua himself, yet you throw questions and comments in every direction. You talk about other players pretending to contribute, while not actually. But I think you are more guilty of this than any others here.
- No it wouldn't make sense to put a day kill ability out on D1, that's why I first asked if he was serious because it was a stupid thing to claim/hint at/breadcrumb.
- Yes it would make much more sense for a day kill to be a town ability in the abstract, and it would make much more sense to be a town ability in this specific situation because Magua was seeming to breadcrumb the ability. Although possible a scum with a day kill ability might breadcrumb, that seems like a strange risk of attention to make early on in the game and doesn't fit. Regardless, I never suggested that his ability was linked to any alignment.
- I was wanting clarification because if he had a day kill ability and was breadcrumbing it, he was doing it poorly and was painted a target on his back -- and, as such, we might as well benefit from his ability (if he had it) prior to his death. I in fact explained all this in
Post 37, which was in response to your first round of questioning my Magua interaction.
- I wanted him to use his ability prior to the scum killing him (also explained in
Post 37). Any time that the town can skip the night phase is a benefit to the town. It doesn't matter if that night skip is on D1 or D4 -- although there are varying degrees of helpfulness, depending upon the individual circumstances (usually the day of the day kill). Your post boils down to D1 being least effective for a town day kill because of the knowledge disparity. That's true, but the fact of the matter is, is that we are going to lynch someone today regardless of any player's abilities. If we can effectively "lynch" this most suspected player already slotted for D1 lynching (via day kill ability) and skip the night phase to go into (what is effectively) day two, that is a good thing. While it would be better to hold this ability off, the player with the day kill ability basically asks to be nightkilled upon revealing this ability because the longer the wait the more powerful the ability becomes (and thus more dangerous to scum). Therefore, IF Magua had the ability it appeared to me he said that he did, at the time he had revealed it, it was the best strategic move to day kill the preferred lynch option for D1, effectively skip N1, and move on to our next suspect in the extended D1 (which would now be acting akin to a D2). Otherwise, the likelihood of Magua being killed because of his ability was real, if not readily calculable. I felt like it was best to definitely use the ability when it was helpful instead of maybe using the ability when it was more helpful.
- I've voted for Magua and Battle Mage. I've pointed out to you that I've voted Battle Mage. I've explained to you why I did, have been, and still am voting for Battle Mage. Battle Mage is actually complaining that I'm still voting for him. Stop saying I've only voted for Magua.
- "You talk about other players pretending to contribute, while not actually. But I think you are more guilty of this than any others here." Misleading and unsupported. Misleading because I've "talked" only about Yos providing fluff and later trying to prop it up as something more. That's a singular other player, not "players." A minor but important distinction because your comment alone may lead the uncritical reader to believe that it is this accusation that I have flippantly thrown around against several others. This is not the case. Unsupported because your statement that I am "more guilty of this" is only a conclusion. There is no supporting reasoning or rationale. As such it is not something to which I can respond. Well, I can respond with my own conclusion: nope, that is not true. Yay, conclusion-battle!
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I figure I should throw out how I'm feeling. If it isn't helpful, at least it's notice that at least I'm reaping benefit from my play style:
- I am most comfortable with not lynching Pine or Trip.
- I am comfortable with not lynching camn, Magua, or Lain.
- I have no idea about MehPlus because he's lurking and I would love a replacement for his slack ass.
- I am middle of the road for Pere, bvoigt, and Incog. Other players have made points I caught in various read-throughs that were good but which I did not follow up on. So I may be persuaded upon further review.
- I am comfortable with a Yos, Haylen, or Battle Mage lynch. I don't think that there is any current order of preference, but I think that my position is more developed for some more than others. If need be I can either point to where I have voiced my suspicions (Yos, obviously; Haylen to a lesser extent of obviousness) or do so for the first time if I have not made myself clear (BM, coming up over the weekend; Incog, I don't think I have voiced to any real degree). As an aside, I think the Incog-suspicion is the most out of the four where my personal suspicion is just a mere nugget that has been cultivated by others' observations and criticisms.
"This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent." In re Davis, 557 U.S. 952, 955 (2009) (Scalia, J., dissenting).
In one of my most recent games, I bussed my scumbuddy on Day One and went on to win, because people didn't think it would happen. I think Peregrin is just misguided information and I would love to know who his IC was. 
