Reck's list is a good list, silver is (probably) town so cross him off for today
I was totally ignoring the khan/mastin spat on day 1, not going to lie - I had no intention to pay attention to it. RP called it a waste of time, though, which probably means one of them is scum
re-reading says to me I would most be willing to wagon khan, scott, or mana(pine) off that list
Now that Khan is back, Gorilla, I expect you to get your vote off of the dead Scottwagon and onto either me, or him.
I know you think Silver's scum. But refresh my memory--who else do you think is scum?
Hiraki wrote:To add, I think Slaxx asked who the other two scum are.
Not really sure, but probably Skyquiem and Mana_Ku.
This still accurate?
Sky wrote:Voting Khan is stupid and pointless, he's V/LA therefore there will be no defence or reaction from him to assess, to top that of he's likely town.
Before the Scott counterwagon began. Sky was in it, then Slaxx (who I've called scum with Khan, mind you) and then inHim joined it. Scott joined the Khan wagon after inHim left, and Sky left the Scott wagon.
Reck wrote:town
mastin2/khan
scum
mastin2/khan
And this is best settled today. One scum between us. Make it official, and get rid of one of us. Him or me. Doesn't matter; it confirms the other as scum.
I don't have much of the way in reassons here, it's kinda process of elims + khan not being here but hey I'll move my vote to khan as soon as he's actually here to respond. in the meantime, might as well hear from someone else instead of sitting on my hands.
I'm holding you to your word on this, Gorilla. Vote Khan, or me. Don't you dare vote anyone else.
Both the Khan and Scott wagons peaked at three. Until Sky rejoined the Scott wagon, making it lead at four.
inHim's move to Silver brought it back down to three.
And here's where *Beep* hits the fan. People suddenly switch interest from Khan/Myself/Scott, to inHim and the wagon forms pretty instantaneously after that. Mesthinks that people didn't want to be on Khan/Scott, and therefore, we were actually on to something, and they took the opportunity to get off when it presented itself.
Yeah. Additionally, someone brought up the possibility of only three scum, earlier, which Slaxx apparently ignores on his response.
Rapidfirevotes, which continue to grow. Instantaneously, people forget all about Scott, Khan, heck, even myself. Deity joins the party, putting inHim as the undisputed lead wagon, with four votes and the other two wagons faded to two and one votes.
Scott wrote:My guess is one of Mastin/KK is scum. 99% Khanscum. Thus I think Mastin is town.
Mastin wrote:My last read on inHim was town. Obviously, this read is ancient, so I need to review things, but needless to say, he's not the ideal wagon. The shift from Khan/Scott to him likely contains 1-2 scum.
Sky once again gets off of the lead wagon, by the way. Khan once again leads,
But we can't have that, now, can we?
APPARENTLY NOT.
Khan wrote:Vote: inHimshallibe
Scum.
Khan votes the wagon with the most support, in a junky post. Convenient, eh?
Pine's stance was correct, and this (briefly) put Khan at L-2, the highest his wagon has ever been.
Khan wrote:(And add Mafia 96 to the list of games where scum-Mastin keeps promising a case, but never delivers it.)
Leaves open the possibility of me being scum, while...
can count on the support mastin2 (convincing him to move his vote off me was a Herculean task, so why not go along with the flow and blame mastin2 for the mislynch later?).
Effectively calling me town.
Pine wrote:Still not fully caught up, but I've got a strong sense in my gut that {mastin, KK} is not Town vs Town. KK, since return, is being more helpful and forthright.
Unvote
Vote: Mastin
And this solidifies Pine as town, by the way. Add him to the list of people who think KhanVMe is not townVtown. He happens to have chosen the wrong guy, but at least he's voting one of us.
Khan wrote:You've been evasive, unhelpful, spammy, dense, thick-headed, wrong, wrong, wrong, short-sighted, scatterbrained, malicious, slanderous, obtuse, dim, etc..
But you're not on my scumlist atm.
Let's see, attempts to push my buttons by using personal insults? Check. (This was a Khan trademark: trying to get me emotional, since emotional-Mastin is worthless.) Leaving me open as possible scum? Check. Calling me town, despite the fact that there is a TON of evidence pointing to one of us two being scum? Check, oh so check.
The Khan wagon lost the momentum it should have had.
Khan wrote:Well, I guess I was wrong and I can add "simple-minded" to the list of things you are. Probably "pathetic" too.
Adds more insults, likely to try and provoke my emotions. (Again, mind you, this is one of the reasons Khan won both of our previous spars--because he got me emotional, and when I got emotional, he looked like a voice of reason.)
Additionally, Khan strawmans the argument:
Khan wrote:So all I have to do is post one example of multiple people being wrong about something and you'll unvote, right?
The point is, multiple people believe Khan and I contains one scum. And I'm going to make DANG sure that those who have expressed said opinion,
follow that through
. No inHim distractions. No ScottBro excuses.
All the people who said that {Khan, Mastin} contains one scum are to follow through with it,
mastin2 wrote:Additionally, Khan strawmans the argument:
Khan wrote:So all I have to do is post one example of multiple people being wrong about something and you'll unvote, right?
The point is, multiple people believe Khan and I contains one scum. And I'm going to make DANG sure that those who have expressed said opinion,
follow that through
. No inHim distractions. No ScottBro excuses.
[/size=125]All the people who said that {Khan, Mastin} contains one scum are to follow through with it,
NOW
, or be called scum!
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First, you don't understand the meaning of the word strawman.
Second, WTF? Was that your plan this whole game? Continually antagonize me by calling me scum until you get enough people to say "well, they can't be scum together", then you jump into action and say "Ah-HA! If we're not scum together, then Khan must be scum alone!"?
That's... not scum-hunting. That's vindictive meta-punishing.
Third, what happens when I flip town? Do you have a mastin3 account lined up? (Because I'd love to be the one to cause you to have to activate it)
Khan wrote:First, you don't understand the meaning of the word strawman.
Attacking an argument at its weakest point, essentially. Degrading an argument into something easier to counter. Reducing something to be easier to attack. I suck at explaining the words for it (I hate Poor Communication Skills >_<), but I do know what it is, even if my way of explaining it sounds inaccurate.
Second, WTF? Was that your plan this whole game? Continually antagonize me by calling me scum until you get enough people to say "well, they can't be scum together", then you jump into action and say "Ah-HA! If we're not scum together, then Khan must be scum alone!"?
Another strawman, here. What is that, your signature tactic? There are multiple things that contribute to it.
1: Tone.
2: Interactions.
3: RisingPhoenix specifically stating that the argument between us wasn't that important.
And those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. No single thing makes it so that youVme is not townVtown. It's everything put together to show how it's painfully obvious.
Third, what happens when I flip town?
You won't. But IF (and I repeat, this is a big "if") you did, I'd take full responsibility for it and accept the consequences of my misread.
Aw, fuck it. I'm generous. Here is your first post where you've become certain of my scumminess after I've actually posted something. Where is the case from that. You've fully coasted from that to this ultimatum. This antagonism between us is your design, not mine.
And for fuck's sake open your damn eyes from your narrow confines of your personal meta with me. I'm a dick to people who show poor logic whether I'm town or scum. You are not some special snowflake that gets some sort of individual attention from me. I can provide the links to prove it.
In the process of having a conversation with Head One at the moment. I still don't understand or comprehend the case against Khan at all. If anything #1034 by Khan further enhances my scum-read on inHim. Suprisingly I'm finding Mastin's response and willingness to lock the lynch between two players to be a town-tell in a certain right. Ugh. I'm actually leaning towards this being a T v T battle.
mastin wrote:And this is best settled today. One scum between us. Make it official, and get rid of one of us. Him or me. Doesn't matter; it confirms the other as scum.
Except that I could also very easily be wrong and I've had a hard scum boner for IHSIB since the early dancing around the RisingPhoenix wagon and I'd prefer that gets taken care of ASAP.
And for the love of GOD, can someone please tell me why everyone is all LOL SILVER IS TOWN? PLEASE? Because I'm not fucking seeing it.
xRECKONERx wrote:And for the love of GOD, can someone please tell me why everyone is all LOL SILVER IS TOWN? PLEASE? Because I'm not fucking seeing it.
I attempted to explain it earlier however reading through the meta Hiraki provided about him has decreased the town-read I had on him initally substantially.
I'll have my reads up within the next half hour, just need to finish discussing them with Head One.
Let's not go crazy.
RP didn't "attack anyone pretty hard" besides Ranmaru. That cleared Ranmaru as town which is why he was night killed.
If Ranmaru had just fucking gone along with my mason claim... *sigh*
Oh well, it's over now.
I'm not liking this false dichotomy between mastin & KK. If it ends up being town on town, then they've just wasted two lynches that town could've been spending elsewhere.
00:: Confirmation post.
01:: Promises content.
02:: Promises content + asks for a recap.
03:: Explains how he isn't going to reread.
04:: Compromises and agrees to reread four pages.
05:: Says Scott's hydra-tunneling makes him town, and votes mastin2 based on a single quote (with no explanation)
06:: Agrees with Ranmaru that Slaxx sounds forced.
07:: Votes Ranmaru, says he's seen nothing from my meta that merits a lynch.
THIS IS THE PART WHERE I SUICIDE MY ALT.
08:: "lol reck"
09:: Asks for more votes on Ranmaru… and calls Ranmaru out FOR NOT OMGUSING. Also calls KK's reaction to my case on RP "interesting".
10:: Questions Hiraki's vote on RP.
11:: Calls my proposed plan for a lynch-trade with me/RisingPhoenix "crap rhetoric" then asks what happens when RisingPhoenix flips scum.
12:: Says he wants both Ranmaru and RisingPhoenix to die.
13:: Asks Slaxx if he's opposed to lynching RisingPhoenix.
14:: Tells misting to vote Ranmaru.
15:: Calls Scott & Mana_Ku & Slaxx town.
16:: Takes issue with the fact that mastin2 says RP & Ranmaru are of opposite alignments.
17:: Tells Ranmaru to "have fun in the dead QT".
18:: Says he'll speedlynch whichever one of RP/Ranmaru isn't lynched.
19:: Questioning of Ranmaru asking what his wagoners will think if Ranmaru flips scum.
20:: Says he's going to lynch RisingPhoenix regardless of Ranmaru's flip… also says if RisingPhoenix is scum, he's gonna vote Kublai Khan.
21:: Calls silver vigbait (in addition to RisingPhoenix).
22:: Contentless post.
23:: Admits to not reading a single post of silver's.
24:: Contentless post.
25:: Contentless post.
26:: Summarizes the events in poor fashion (calls Ranmaru flailing scum, points out that I offered myself if RisingPhoenix is town).
27: Says Empking is great as scum.
28:: Denies my request to switch his vote to RP because "he could just vote Ranmaru and put his wagon in the lead"
29:: Says he doesn't care which of RP/Ranmaru dies, but he does care about which one he can push closer to death.
30:: Tells me to claim if I'm a mason.
31:: Votes RisingPhoenix due to my mason claim.
32:: Contentless post jokingly calling himself town.
33:: Tells KK to not even bother posting D2.
34:: Jokingly says he's masons with RP.
But Reck, what does it all mean!?
Fine, here's a tl;dr you lazy fuckers
If you follow the progression in IHSIB's D1 behavior, it's really quite obvious. First he refuses to reread and just wants the "highlights", which isn't scummy in and of itself… but as soon as people bitch at him for it and he starts getting flak, he's like "Okay, I'll compromise and read a little".
His jump on Ranmaru starts THE POST IMMEDIATELY AFTER he agrees with Ranmaru's read on Slaxx… then he randomly turns around and votes Ranmaru, joining Slaxx on the Ran-wagon, with literally zero reasoning whatsoever.
IHSIB then goes on to push a Ranmaru lynch using shitlogic and crapreasoning. He barely comments on my RisingPhoenix case, and even goes as far to say my lynch-trade with RisingPhoenix is "crap rhetoric"… but also asks what happens when RisingPhoenix flips scum (a bit of inside knowledge, eh?).
Out of nowhere, though, when I call him out on not wanting to lynch RP, he's like "Oh no, you're wrong, I want to lynch RisingPhoenix AND Ranmaru"… but then he continues to SOLELY push Ranmaru the entire day. Even when presented with the option of joining the RisingPhoenix wagon with me, he says he doesn't want to, because he'd rather put his vote on the leading wagon. He continues to push for a Ranmaru lynch, throwing out baseless reads along the way, but makes sure to keep going "Oh yeah, I'll lynch RisingPhoenix too" before returning to bludgeoning people over the head for a Ranmaru lynch. In fact, it takes me fake-claiming masons with Ranmaru to back IHSIB in a corner where he
has
to vote for Ranmaru or face immediately consequences. The entire day he's pushing for Ranmaru while keeping the RisingPhoenix bus in his back pocket all nice and neat… he even goes "I want RisingPhoenix vigged!" then in the very next post throws silver into the vigpool as well to decrease the chances of RisingPhoenix getting hit.
He forces out my mason claim, summarizes the game without even mentioning that he would be okay with a RisingPhoenix lynch (iso26, he only mentions my lynch-trade with RisingPhoenix and says Ranmaru is flailing scum, but conveniently leaves out his stance on RP), then disappears for the entirety of the end-of-D2 shenanigans involving me/Slaxx/Skyquiem/RisingPhoenix/whoever.
Okay, but what about Day 2?
Can you shut the fuck up for a second, I'm getting to that
He immediately comes out of the gate asking for a quicklynch on Kublai Khan. He says me being town "isn't too unreasonable", then despite his FOR THE BLOOD GOD battlecry for KK's lynch if RP flipped town, he's suddenly hopping on Scott's wagon. Then he posts nothing for awhile, hops to Silver, and doesn't mention KK again.
I come in and vote him and his defense is "If I'm gonna bus, I'm not pansying out until the last moment"… but the fact of the matter is that it WASN'T a bus, it was IHSIB trying to deflect people from the RP wagon onto the Ranmaru wagon without actually being obvious that he's defending RisingPhoenix. He tries to whip up panic with I'M GETTING RECKANOIA despite the fact that I'm more fucking confirmed town at this point than a fucking innocent child could ever be… then after dirtying the waters with his fearmongering, just keeps me on the town side of his list anyway.
After all of this is said and done, he finally hops back onto Kublai Khan, who he said was CONFIRMED SCUM IF RISINGPHOENIX FLIPPED SCUM…. and yet it took a few wagon hops and me breathing down his neck for him to actually commit to the Kublai Khan wagon.
I'm still not convinced…
You fucking ingrate… fine, here's the deal:
If Kublai Khan gets to L-1, I'll hammer. A scum flip from Kublai Khan would make me feel a
little bit
better about IHSIB, but not by much. IHSIB should still be the lynch for today, however if I die at some point and IHSIB is still alive, he needs to eat a vig bullet or a lynch ASAP, barring any ridiculously convincing claims.
I'm sticking my vote on IHSIB, and if the above case did anything to convince you, I implore you to do the same.
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