NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

[Untrod Tripod]

So I went through and re-read Quilford's ISO.

Not seeing the ZOMG SCUM SCUM SCUM signs. Anyone want to give me the reader's digest version?

[Ythan]

Now, if you actually want to say what it is that Para did that you think is more likely to come from scum then from dumbass town, then feel free to say so.

If you were being sincere I expect you would read my iso.

[saporovirus]

Ethos: what makes my fluff

(I don't believe that my pointed comments towards Hiraki were fluff)

more of a sin then the half a dozen players who have contributed less?

also meta arguments are bad and you are making a whole bunch of them please stop!

Bolded: This is incredibly forced and ungeninue, if you believe we're mafia which you seem to do you would have no issue whatsoever with us putting forward arguments you consider weak.

What?

my initial thoughts on Ethos revolved around his bad reasoning on the kanye vote, and i also dont like him attaching it to town reading of para (even tho i think (thought?) para is town)

This again is forced, note the 'bad reasoning on a kayne vote' where he ignores the fact the vote is on him.

[/quote]

What?

Both those arguments seem to be

a bit

of a stretch.

I've only gotten to page 14 and I'm going to be quite busy until Tuesday evening.

[saporovirus]

Right, so 1/4 of all of this content is Ethos v. SpyreX v. Ythan, and to an understanding, i believe this to be TvTvT (gasp).

While ythan really stills reminds me of a player i used to play with who constantly try his hardest scumhunt but just didn't pull it off really well, he is also dense.

the whole argument between those 3 were me, and some other shit (oh how flattered i am) but i don't think there is really much substance to it but i believe the motive behind it is town.

Like i said, Ythan takes conclusions and doesn't take a hard look at things on the surface, while ethos (as i've seen) does, Ythan disagreed with how ethos looked at my #36, make a giant shit-storm, etc.

The reason i don't think this is SvT or SvS is that it really dragged on far too long, i don't think scum would truly waste their time in a 14 page argument trying to make an obilgatory point on a person, they would rather drop it and move onto another player or the alike, and Ethos' confidence and Ythan's boldness clash with each-other.

the middle is of course SpyreX, who tentatively feels like a wild-card to me, he didn't full blown into the fray, but he did sideline with bits, i don't think this is a factor scummy, rather then it's best not to get involved, and besides, he had points about me so it was his interest to see what would it would delve into.; he also did some other stuff i like so good for him.

This whole thing simply screams LOL DID NOT READ to me.

[saporovirus]

do it

faggot

, i dare you.

Not acceptable.

[saporovirus]

...he is gone though so it doesn't matter. But seriously. Not acceptable.

[Untrod Tripod]

do it

faggot

, i dare you.

Not acceptable.

So yeah....

[Îdher]

Ythan, I asked you a question. Answer it, please.

KoC, parking your vote on the biggest wagon doesn't mean you're not fencesitting. Either way, I don't know why you're getting ypur panties all in a twist. I could be wrong; convince me by doing something original and/or that doesn't suck, not by pissing your pants because one person mentions a mild, off-hand suspicion of you while voting for someone else.

-Amrun

[Ythan]

I'm looking and I don't see it.

[Îdher]

The other two wagons are terrible.

Quilford,

Ythan, why did you leave Quilford out of your "viable wagon" discussion? Why create the false dilemma that everyone else must pick between Yos and Ethos (two bad wagons) when Quilford (good wagon) is equally viable?

You probably missed it because I accidentally addressed it to Quilford. Woops.

Obviously, this question is from my perspective and I am interested in hearing your response.

-Amrun

[Ythan]

I'm not creating a false dilemma. I'm specifying my own two obvscum reads. They happen to both be powerful wagons, which is another thing I haven't noticed in Quil. I'll take a look though.

[Îdher]

To clarify, yes - the other wagons have 4. Quil has 2 and a virtual 3 since Ethos would obviously be willing to vote there. We have several players who need to check in and 9 whole days before deadline.

Virtually any wagon is viable at this point, but especially Quilford. Just because Yos and Ethos have marginally larger wagons doesn't mean that voters should choose between those two, at least at 9 days before deadline.

I felt like you were trying to create this false "either/or" situation which benefits no one - not even town, EVEN if they're BOTH scum (and I'm betting neither is).

-Amrun

[Knight of Cydonia]

KoC, parking your vote on the biggest wagon doesn't mean you're not fencesitting. Either way, I don't know why you're getting ypur panties all in a twist. I could be wrong; convince me by doing something original and/or that doesn't suck, not by pissing your pants because one person mentions a mild, off-hand suspicion of you while voting for someone else.

-Amrun

I fail to see how expressing suspicion of two people (Para/Yos and TheMask) equals fencesitting. Please feel free to elucidate, whilst also giving the reason for

You should probably re-evaluate that KoC townread.

-Amrun

You should probably come up with some kind of reasoning behind this.
Being in a hydra doesn't mean you get to throw shit around without explaining yourself.

I'm going to keep asking you for a reason for all this backhanded calling me scum until you give me one.

Hey look, I'm having to ask you

AGAIN

for an answer to my question.[/quote]

this because, look, yet again, you're brushing the questioning off instead of actually answering why you told Ythan (IIRC) to "re-evaluate that townread". It's a clear implication that you don't think I'm town, yet you've given no clear evidence as to why. (Hint: stating it's a "mild, off-hand suspicion" isn't an explanation of why you have that suspicion.)
Also, "parking my vote on the biggest wagon"? 3rd out of 4 (who are still on it), on Day 1 with 9 to lynch, that's hardly parking.

[Untrod Tripod]

I'm starting to grow concerned about how much you care about this.

Do you think there's a scummy reason for Idher to not be saying...whatever it is you want her to say? If there is, then make a case about why it's scummy and start an Idher wagon. If not, then it seems like you're making noise for the sake of making noise.

[Îdher]

KoC, when I awarded you an award for fencesitting, that was an answer to your question. I didn't do it for the shits and giggles (well, maybe a little).

Why are you arguing that I haven't given any reasoning for that comment - it was to Ethos, btw - when you are currently arguing with me about said reasons?

-Amrun

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm starting to grow concerned about how much you care about this.

Do you think there's a scummy reason for Idher to not be saying...whatever it is you want her to say? If there is, then make a case about why it's scummy and start an Idher wagon. If not, then it seems like you're making noise for the sake of making noise.

What part of "not directly answering my question" is not scummy to you, Untrod?

[Hiraki]

I feel like I'm tunneling with only one real suspect on Page 19.

I'm re-reading. Expect a huge change. Maybe not.

[Yosarian2]

Now, if you actually want to say what it is that Para did that you think is more likely to come from scum then from dumbass town, then feel free to say so.

If you were being sincere I expect you would read my iso.

I did. I read everyone's ISO's. You voted Para because you didn't like that he voted Oversoul. You also voted Ethos because you didn't like that they defended Oversoul. The funny thing is, it was both for the same post; Para thought that post was a scum tell, Ethos thought that post was a town tell, and you attacked both of them for it, with a degree of focus that seems completely out of proportion to the issue.

[Ythan]

Did you not read further than that?

[Chair]

Misder is out of town until Tuesday.

In response to Spyrex 420:

You talking about generic hatred towards hydras (which is apparently being instigated by this account's lack of posting) seems odd when Ethos has been one of the biggest posters and Îdher had 30 or so shorter posts.

Also, a clarification: would us moving up your scumlist if Yos/Ethos were both to be declared town be due to them being town, or just because we're your next biggest scumread?

As for the voting block, me only being averse to the town reads that I disagree with is to an extent a fair point. I dislike your calling my reaction to the voting block "itchy feet," and even more than that "tentative prodding." I'm not being tentative at all; I explained in detail what's wrong with the block.

I'll look at other stuff tomorrow.

-implosion

[Quilford]

Mod: please replace me.

Large games are too much for me to handle.

[Ythan]

There goes Quilford.

[kanyeknowsbest]

still happy with my ethos vote, especially with his vanishing act. quilford replace is null to me.

swag has still yet to post since putting parabollocks at L-1. im going to wait for a few more yosarian posts before i try to reconcile his actions with those of paras.

V/LA until monday night

happy fathers day ya'll

[Yosarian2]

Did you not read further than that?

Is there a reason you're making me play guessing games, and are so reluctant to actually explain the reason for your vote?

If you have an actual case on me, make it. If you don't, go find scum.

Looking at Para's play, he made a vote on Overlord for reasons that don't make a lot of sense, he self voted, he made bad posts, he acted like an asshole. All of those things are explained by the fact he's a total VI, none of it has any obvious scum motivation.

[xRECKONERx]

Dear fucking Christ...
Searching for a Quilford replacement.