DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[ToastyToast]

thats L-1

[Magua]

I'm shocked that you're lynchbait in games.

Do you think RC is more likely to be scum than AV?

[Internet Stranger]

Come DEFCON 1, the socialists will pay.

Do you think EVERYONE is socialist? Also, I’m curious why you focused on Vi’s vote and called it scummy but didn’t even mention mine.

Everyone has a potential to be Socialist scum until they flip American.
As for you, no one else really cares about you and just ignores you. Youre probably from some inconsequential socialist country, like Luxembourg or Denmark. So I might as well ignore you too until I catch my bigger Scumfishes first, like RC and Vi.

[danakillsu]

(Equinox)

I think you can be pretty darn sure that RC and I would have planned something that major if we were going to do it as scum together. But it not being impossible is not really good enough, because just about everything's POSSIBLE. This obviously indicates you realize it's unlikely, which means your scumlist doesn't make sense. I've got my eye on you.

Correct. Anything is possible. I also found your "I wouldn't do this with RedCoyote!" to be wholly unconvincing. You don't even bother addressing the rest of my reads; you opted to merely discredit the entire thing by picking at a piece of it.

If you have your eye on me, great. You can see the nuke coming straight for you as soon as it's launched and then feel how utterly useless your defenses are when it hits.

Let's play a game. I know your top 4 town reads, I know your top scum read, I know the names of two people you've done the Defense Dance around, and I know you've got an eye for me because I have a nice singing voice and a beautifully decorated nuke. Who else is scum?

My top scumreads are LowKey and HezLucky in that order. Have you not been paying attention to my votes?
Where do you see me trying to discredit ALL your reads? Overly defensive much?

[MagnaofIllusion]

My top scumreads are LowKey and HezLucky in that order. Have you not been paying attention to my votes?
Where do you see me trying to discredit ALL your reads? Overly defensive much?

Who exactly is the LowKey you speak about?

[danakillsu]

Yeah, that post made no sense, and in fact referenced another game. I gotta figure out what I should have said based on THIS game.

[ToastyToast]

I'm shocked that you're lynchbait in games.
Do you think RC is more likely to be scum than AV?

I do. When we were in Dynasty Warriors mafia, RC wrote a very convincing post about myself and other scumspects. People thought he was scum regardless and Vi killed him. Turns out he was a death miller.
In this case, NONE of RC's cases were strong. And now he plans to...lurk out? its poor play
AV, on the other hand, came under suspicion right out of the gate. He tried his best to defend, and, even when it seemed like he was giving up, he came back again.

RC had a scummy reaction to his wagon and AV had a town reaction

I wasn't seeing the AV case when it first started, and catching-up to the thread, my opinion has pretty much stayed that way.

[danakillsu]

lol, okay, my real scumreads are HezLucky and Hinduragi. My bad. I still think you could have seen that from looking at my posts.

[Magua]

I do. When we were in Dynasty Warriors mafia, RC wrote a very convincing post about myself and other scumspects. People thought he was scum regardless and Vi killed him. Turns out he was a death miller.
In this case, NONE of RC's cases were strong. And now he plans to...lurk out? its poor play
AV, on the other hand, came under suspicion right out of the gate. He tried his best to defend, and, even when it seemed like he was giving up, he came back again.

So when RC writes strong cases, you think he's scum.
And when RC writes weak cases, you think he's scum.

Do you see any cognitive dissonance here?

Did you look to see where he was at, lynchwise, before laying your vote down?

[ToastyToast]

Um, no. I thought RC was town in that game. He thought I was scum. Then he was killed, flipped a death miller, and I got a ton of suspicion on me for calling him town. Then I got lynched and flipped town. 'twas a terrible D1

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Edited for clarity:

My top scumreads are HezLucky and Hinduragi in that order. Have you not been paying attention to my votes?
Where do you see me trying to discredit ALL your reads? Overly defensive much?

I knew your top scum read was HezLucky; I didn't know Hinduragi was another scum read of yours. I'd scanned your iso prior to asking and didn't see it. (Welp, I looked again and just saw it. I fail. Whatever, asking isn't a waste of post.)

As for your second point:

React only to RedCoyote and danakillsu reads? Check.
Not address any other reads at all? Check.

You obviously don't agree with all of my reads or else you'd have said something like ToastyToast did. You didn't even LOOK at them, you just pointed at me going "RedCoyote and danakillsu are probably European scum" and go "NO U." Makes me wonder if

you

were the one being overly defensive.

Also, 2 scum reads, 4 (or maybe 6, a little hard to tell with you being all wiggly) town reads and... no attempt to look for anyone else. Yeah.

But you is for nukin'.

[ToastyToast]

Also, I thought I was putting him @ L-2. Missed SDC's vote.

[HezLucky]

Holee I've got to catch up in all my games.

Okay doing a complete reread give me a day.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Seriously, I think Swift Justice either as dissociative identity disorder or AGM forgot that they were in the same slot and sent 2 rolePM’s

My one problem. How did you manage to leave out LLD in your reads, then talk about her right after. She didn’t even make it to limbo?

Forgot. Shifted names around in the list as I got reads while going through the thread and then wrote the rest when I was done. Lady Lambdadelta popped into my head then.

You sound unconfident + 5.

I sound unconfident in the entire post with me having to reread like half my list. Whee!

HezLucky in particular, though, is a funny one because I saw this one post of his that made me go "OMG SCUM" and then over the course of DEFCON 3 people were going, "Nooo, he's just being silly town" and this was me:



That and I think his behavior as the game shifted from him to AurorusVox to RedCoyote might be very telling of his allegiances, but I didn't want to look that up at that hour. Might do it now given it's probably L-1 and I oughta gather my thoughts before nightfall.

[ooba]

RC is town
AV is scum
{Hindu, IS}, {SpyreX}, {AV} - would put MoI down as no.5 ..

Unvote. Vote: AV

[Swift Justice]

Faraday you had pretty much all the same reads I did in Metamafia. Thus notatowntell.gif

if you'd followed my scumreads there you'd have won the game there >_>

[Swift Justice]

On V/LA because of Goofbash. I'll try to find time to write an actual post if I can get away from the crowd today, because I have lots to say in response to Vi and AV.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO GET AWAY FROM US


anyway imma stop spamming now >_>

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

First, I'm going to take a look at the RedCoyote wagon and then read RedCoyote himself. I'll most likely not be able to get to the other players tonight, but I'll power through as much work as possible today.

RedCoyote (11) - Regfan (608), Magister Ludi (652), inHimshallibe (695), MagnaofIllusion (699), Lady Lambdadelta (702), Vi (706), Hinduragi (707), Katsuki (716), AurorusVox (770), Internet Stranger (774), Screaming Death Clan (778), ToastyToast (799)

Regfan and Magister Ludi vote RedCoyote for something that appears to have happened before DEFCON 3, so that was before my time. I'll find out later what it was, but they're on a pass for now. RedCoyote responds to players and votes AurorusVox in post 676. RedCoyote proposes the danakillsu wagon in post 686, which is when the sparks start flying.

inHimshallibe asks RedCoyote to get back on the AurorusVox wagon (687), and danakillsu disagrees with RedCoyote because he "[doesn't] have a scum read on AurorusVox" (688). Mildly interesting to me is why danakillsu doesn't wonder why RedCoyote would propose this kind of plan, like inHimshallibe and MagnaofIllusion did, but instead corrects him on AurorusVox; I may have to look up if danakillsu had some sort of read on RedCoyote, but the guy makes it impossible to find where he stands anyway. Also interesting is that Internet Stranger becomes annoyed at RedCoyote for pushing the AurorusVox wagon (694), but we'll see where he goes with it.

No problems with inHimshallibe's or MagnaofIllusion's votes. They were made in good logical time. MagnaofIllusion seems to think that RedCoyote's backtrack was scummy, though, whereas I think that line of thought could quite easily come from town; can someone with experience with MagnaofIllusion tell me if this is how he usually thinks?

Now I've figured out where my twitch was coming from:

And why would I advocate a wagon on a person I thought was town anyways?

I don't know. Why did you?

RedCoyote was doing anything but advocate a wagon on his town read; he very clearly stated that he believed both AurorusVox and danakillsu to be scum. Lady Lambdadelta skipped that part, it seems.

Faraday, I'm sorry I ever doubted you.

Internet Stranger rails on RedCoyote a bit but doesn't move (705). Eh, I can live with this, I guess, given how strongly he believed in lynching Vi. Speaking of Vi, I'm shaky on Vi joining RedCoyote but don't see anything wrong here (706).

Hinduragi's reasoning, however:

The entire exchange was bad. I don't get the unvoting of someone you thought was scum even if it is to prop up a wagon. I would've eventually gotten that job done. There's too much sidetracked reasoning for me to buy this.

*twitch*

...though at this point I'm wondering if {Hinduragi, Lady Lambdadelta} would have made the moves they did. I'll figure this out with further reading.

I

guess

I can buy danakillsu just being bad town? Depends on me reading his earlier activity in DEFCONs 1 and 2, since he seemed to be more opinionated in that than in this phase. It also depends on my read of Hinduragi as I go further.

In the meantime, MagnaofIllusion's push towards Vi (709) leads me to think he may be town. I might go take a look at his town play in recent games, but this is fairly low priority anyway because I can just bug Faraday about Godzilla's antics. Similarly, I like ooba pushing for Hinduragi (708); now that I've seen MagnaofIllusion's reasoning for why he believes ooba took Air Base, I think I'm comfortable moving ooba up to the list of town for something I'm not going to share right this minute.

The other bits aside I really dont like the AV-scum better start another wagon business.

I understood RC's thought process and, aside from switching votes off someone he thinks is scum, don't find it all that crazy.

Need to find out if these two quotes are connected. Are they connected, SpyreX?

*shrug* at AurorusVox (770) because he was late to the party, and it's hard to tell who's parroting and who's just late. I don't buy his point about RedCoyote missing Regfan, though, since that's probably null; it's easy to miss stuff if one is just zooming through the thread, town or scum. In other news, though, I probably need to read AurorusVox.

all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse.

We joined this game to nuke people. True story.

If it makes you feel better, substitute "nuke" for "lynch" and we should appear to be the same Equinox and Faraday you've come to know and love^(?).

Internet Stranger hops off his lonely wagon on Vi to join the swelling RedCoyote wagon (774). This doesn't make me nearly as twitchy as the other votes have made me, so... eh.

Fate recalls Open 279 -- that was a fun game -- and calls both AurorusVox and RedCoyote scum before voting RedCoyote (778). Um... okay?

ToastyToast catches up from RedCoyote's post that I don't really recognize, but RedCoyote's strong town read on SocioPath is pretty interesting. A wall I ain't going to read right now as I'm going to be leaving in roughly 15 minutes, so let's skip to the end where he votes RedCoyote. No, wait, I just spotted this and it's hilarious:

Orly? ME TOO. Is it strange that I’m getting great town-vibes from Equinox but scum-vibes from Faraday? Torn hydra is torn.

A wise man once said that my posting style looks town. He was also scum, but I think the words are pretty true. Don't get snared by this.

I don't see any problems with ToastyToast, I think. I'll need to read that wall again when I'm not thinking "OMG I NEED TO GET READY," but... yeah, it's fine.

I'm done! Summary below, probably.

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Update!

Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, ooba, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, AurorusVox
Land of Nulldom: Internet Stranger, RedCoyote, danakillsu
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky, Hinduragi
Scum: SocioPath, Lady Lambdadelta
In Limbo: PookyTheMagicalBear, Screaming Death Clan, SpyreX

I'll discuss with Faraday about our conflicting reads when he regains actual access.

if you'd followed my scumreads there you'd have won the game there >_>

SAID THE SCUM WHO CONVINCED ME TO NOT INSTA-LYNCH PARAMA BUDDY. I AM STILL BITTER.

I'll think about where to fling my vote while I'm in the car. I won't vote until I have an actual read of RedCoyote, though.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I'll think about where to fling my vote while I'm in the car. I won't vote until I have an actual read of RedCoyote, though.

I keep forgetting this is a hydra.

Blah. Nonetheless, WE SHALL SEE.

[Gammagooey]

Equi do you just not have a read on me or what exactly- I would think it would be kinda hard to forget me since I've been calling you likely scum and such.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Equi do you just not have a read on me or what exactly- I would think it would be kinda hard to forget me since I've been calling you likely scum and such.

Correct, I don't have a read of you. You're in the group of players I'm reading for in DEFCONs 1 and 2.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tell me this Equinox: Since when so you abandon your top scum read to vote a secondary scum read for "competing wagons"?

RC has shown no evidence to suggest why he thinks Dana and AV are scum together. Finding them individually scummy is one thing, but he's advocating that they are both scum, and so he has no preference in which one is lynched first.

OR, option two is that he unvoted AV because he though he was more townie than Dana(which is what I thought it was).

In either case, RC is scummy. If they were scummy individually of eachother, he would have a prefered lynch of the two, and be pushing it.

Instead he chose to "make competing wagons", which wasn't town. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

[Swift Justice]

DON'T RESPOND TO LLD SCUM WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS EQUINOX.

Gammagooey is worryingly neutral - wouldn't be terribly upset with him getting a nuke.

[Faraday]

Not sure what SJ hopes to get out of his banter with LLD. SJ is scummy, LLD is townish, and all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse. I actually agree with LLD's sentiment that SJ is just trying to turn on whoever might nuke them down the line.

if you think i'm 'posturing' you're in for a fucking surprise. i fully intend to nuke lld in my very first post of the day. BOOM. HEADSHOT. just like that.

[Swift Justice]

Not sure what SJ hopes to get out of his banter with LLD. SJ is scummy, LLD is townish, and all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse. I actually agree with LLD's sentiment that SJ is just trying to turn on whoever might nuke them down the line.

if you think i'm 'posturing' you're in for a fucking surprise. i fully intend to nuke lld in my very first post of the day. BOOM. HEADSHOT. just like that.

my b.