Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[PeregrineV]

@Dramonic- They can't cross confirm, really, because they are neighbors. Unless the mod switches them to Masons, their only confirmation comes from themselves and whatever the other players (us) gives them.
And a babyface mafia would easily provide balance IF all those town roles exist.

[dramonic]

Yet MBF is calling Rag 100% town and Rag seems to think the same of him.
And WTF is a babyface mafia?

[Empking]

Really? Cop + Doc + Vig Neighbour + Neighbour is ridiculously powerful. Godfather + Roleblocker + Neighbourizer don't really come close to balancing it.

Preview: I think he means investigation immune godfather.

[dramonic]

...lol

[PeregrineV]

Really? Cop + Doc + Vig Neighbour + Neighbour is ridiculously powerful. Godfather + Roleblocker + Neighbourizer don't really come close to balancing it.

Preview: I think he means investigation immune godfather.

Yes to investigation immune.

So, what you are implying is Cop+ Doc +Vig Neighbour + Neighborizer is less powerful than GF +RB + neighbor?
Can you elaborate on what you feel the town set-up might be, because it appears you are merely steering us away from a possiblity without presenting others.

Do you think the neighborizer MoS is town? or Scum?
Is Neighbor MBF town vig or scum vig or SK?
Does MBF alignment affect Rag alignment?
Is Neighbor Rag town or scum?

[Thor665]

@Thor- What are you using as your source for MoS being town? The neighborizer role on mafiascum is 6-2(?) a scum role.

His role is meaningless.
His play Day 2 versus dana is a bit more telling. If I could definitely put MBF into town in my mind I'd have MoS on the chopping block pretty happily. If he bussed dana than his bus was good enough to buy him some more town cred for now.
Basically MoS is town because MBF looks much more likely to be the filthy liar.

[Empking]

Really? Cop + Doc + Vig Neighbour + Neighbour is ridiculously powerful. Godfather + Roleblocker + Neighbourizer don't really come close to balancing it.

Preview: I think he means investigation immune godfather.

Yes to investigation immune.

So, what you are implying is Cop+ Doc +Vig Neighbour + Neighborizer is less powerful than GF +RB + neighbor?
Can you elaborate on what you feel the town set-up might be, because it appears you are merely steering us away from a possiblity without presenting others.

I'm leaning towards:

3 Scum

1 Un-NKable SK Neighbour

1 Neighbour
1 Neighbourizer
1 Cop
Townies

[dramonic]

Really? Cop + Doc + Vig Neighbour + Neighbour is ridiculously powerful. Godfather + Roleblocker + Neighbourizer don't really come close to balancing it.

Preview: I think he means investigation immune godfather.

Yes to investigation immune.

So, what you are implying is Cop+ Doc +Vig Neighbour + Neighborizer is less powerful than GF +RB + neighbor?
Can you elaborate on what you feel the town set-up might be, because it appears you are merely steering us away from a possiblity without presenting others.

I said the opposite. If all the listed roles are town, I'll eat my hat (or hair since I lack a hat), because there's nothing to counterbalance such a town.

Do you think the neighborizer MoS is town? or Scum?
Is Neighbor MBF town vig or scum vig or SK?
Does MBF alignment affect Rag alignment?
Is Neighbor Rag town or scum?

Town
SK
no, Rag is town regardless
See above.

EDIT: Exactly what Emp said.

[dramonic]

EBWOP: With potential for another PR, possibly.

[dramonic]

actually nvm, if the SK is bulletproof no extras.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Don't forget that Rag is also some sort of PR.
Skimmed your theory on SK plan. It did make me rethink things.

[dramonic]

Don't forget that Rag is also some sort of PR.
Skimmed your theory on SK plan. It did make me rethink things.

That's an argument in MBF-SK's favor, trust me I haven't forgotten.

[Thor665]

Here's the extra fun rub - I'm some sort of PR.

[Ant_to_the_max]

So that leaves Dram and Pete left >______>
why are we not mass claiming now?

[Thor665]

I want a mass claim, I want MBF to start and I want to go last for reasons I will refuse to explain until then but it has to do with verifying something via my role. Something either should or should not exist.

[dramonic]

Thor, why are you a PR and voting me?

[mikeburnfire]

Here's the extra fun rub - I'm some sort of PR.

You're funny. You spend a whole week attacking me for vaguely hinting at my abilities, then do it yourself. By your own logic, I suppose you are now intentionally hurting the town.

If we do end up doing a mass-claim, then I'm okay with going before you if you do indeed have the ability to verify something. I don't know about going first though. I'll have to think about that.

[Empking]

I can support mass claim.

[dramonic]

massclaim right now seems a bit pre-emptive.

[PeregrineV]

@Rag and Dramonic- so far, you are saying every PR is town, yet town is overpowered if every PR is town. So, I'm asking how you can expect to keep both opinions.

@Thor- Sure, since you claimed PR I'll go for the might mass-claim. Want to still wait for MBF?

P-edit: I'm up for it, fwiw.

[dramonic]

I'm pretty sure I called both you and Thor scum in my first post, so that's at least 1 PR who's not town.

I also have been spending all my posts saying that MBF is a SK, which PROBABLY means I don't think he's a town PR.
Christ, you're way too good at this whole reading thing.

[PeregrineV]

I'm pretty sure I called both you and Thor scum in my first post, so that's at least 1 PR who's not town.

I also have been spending all my posts saying that MBF is a SK, which PROBABLY means I don't think he's a town PR.
Christ, you're way too good at this whole reading thing.

So now you think:

3 Scum (Dana, Thor, PereV)

1 Un-NKable SK Neighbour (MBF)

1 Neighbour+PR (Rag)
1 Neighbourizer (MoS)
1 Cop (Ant)
Townies (ooba,Magua,ReaperCharlie,EmpKing, Dramonic)

So, in your version of balance, what does the scum team consist of? You know, to make it even remotely balanced?

[Thor665]

You're funny. You spend a whole week attacking me for vaguely hinting at my abilities, then do it yourself. By your own logic, I suppose you are now intentionally hurting the town.

Has anyone requested that I claim?
No?
Okay than - it's something totally different. Also, I clearly outlined how I would claim, I never said I wouldn't do it at all - I said I'd do it after a set of conditions were met.
Different than you in two very important ways?
Oh yes, very much so.

I don't know about going first though. I'll have to think about that.

Speaking of...
NO - YOU GO FIRST BECAUSE YOU SUCK. IT WILL THEN BE POPCORN.

Thor, why are you a PR and voting me?

PoE and reaction fishing.
Why?

[dramonic]

roleblocker, goon and potentially a godfather.
neighborizer is one-shot and not that great as its a shot in the dark as town.
cop would have the roleblocker to contend with, so depending on Moth's balance process (even though BP SK is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad), he might've put a GF too.
Speculating about the required role to counter a role that hasn't been outed is pretty lulzy.

@Thor: If you're a PR and Rag's a PR and Ant's a PR and MoS' a PR and MBF is a PR, you might want to consider thinking that there is CLEARLY someone lying in there.

Rag and Ant and (from your PoV) yourself are obviously not lying.
Leaves MoS and MBF, with MBF's claim being vastly more unlikely to belong to town than MoS'

I can somewhat understand how you PoEd down to me, but I fail to see how the lynch of a scumread can outpriorize the lynch of a player who spells PD the moment the town fucks up any lynch.

[dramonic]

Well, I understand it from your scum agenda