DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[Screaming Death Clan]

NO.

NO GODDAMN CEMENTING.

IF MY UNKILLABLE GAMBIT HAS FAILED I DON"T NEED THESE TARGETS ON MY BACK

EVEN THIS IS ALL JUST A CLEVER RUSE TO NOT BE ASSASSINATED AT NIGHT BY THE TERRORIST BECAUSE IM THE LEADER OF MY SCUMTEAM

ALL JUST GAMBITS AND LIES TO AVOID THE ONLY CROSSKILL POTENTIAL THIS GAME

IM NOT OBVTOWN FFS

NOT EVEN CLOSE

IM A VIABLE FUCKIN MISLYNCH TARGET AS USUAL

ISNT THAT RIGHT RC?

TELL EM HOW YOU MISLYNCHED ME AS SCUM

TELL EM HOW EASY IT WAS.

TELL EM IN YOUR QT TOO, YOU FUCKIN SCUM

BAG

BUDDY

IM WRITING THE CASE ON MYSELF BECAUSE IM SCUM AND I DONT WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO DO IT FIRST

[Screaming Death Clan]

OR ALTERNATIVELY WE COULD PLAY IT LIKE A USUAL LARGE THEME WHERE EVERYONE AND THEIR SISTER TARGETS ME WITH PROTECTIVE ACTIONS AT NIGHT

(no STRONGMAN HERE HAHEAHAEHHEHAA)

AND GET SHIT DONE THAT WAY >_>b

[SpyreX]

Dude its ok because they'll leave me alive to nuke you.

Come on now the T is for teamwork.

And a dead SK will fix all the woes. Its all good from diego to the bay.

[Screaming Death Clan]

All right ALL RIGHT, we're going with the original plan.

LINE UP FUCKTWATS YOU GOT TWO DAYS TO COME IN HERE AND CONFIRM YOURE NOT PUTTING AIR BASE AT #1 BY ENFORCEMENT OF NUKE

LETS GO PEOPLE

[Screaming Death Clan]

All right ALL RIGHT, we're going with the original plan.

LINE UP FUCKTWATS YOU GOT TWO DAYS TO COME IN HERE AND CONFIRM YOURE NOT PUTTING AIR BASE AT #1 BY ENFORCEMENT OF NUKE

LETS GO PEOPLE

[SpyreX]

Carrot versus Stick.

CARROT VERSUS STICK.

[gorilla]

Leanin on Dead:
Gorilla

okay I'll bite

WHY ME

[SpyreX]

When one has many words and yet says nothing one is for death.

[Regfan]

Apologies for my lack of content lately. I've been attempting to refrain from stating and attaining reads as long as possible as my previous large themes (Meta-Mafia and Redacted) have ended with me tunnelling towards my early game reads in a devastating matter.

At the moment notes are a complete mess and I still need to work on a draft order. Can someone summarize what we should be aiming towards and what we shouldn't please.

[Magister Ludi]

Reg, you're scum.

[Regfan]

Might as well plop this here for now, going to be away for the rest of today and most of tommorow, moving back home.

Town [From Strongest To Weakest]

SDC. All of their posts. Fucking obvious yet annoying town.
Mina: Town. #241. #310.
Gamma. Town: #15. #99. #137. #315.
Kats. Town: #24. #104. #247.
SpyreX: Town. #240. #312.
Magua: Town. #160. #162. #175.
Magister. Town. #150. #163.
Hez. Town. #193

Scum [From Strongest To Weakest]

Zhero: Scum. #27. #127.
AV: Scum. #212.
Toasty: Scum. #272. #295. Town. #303
Socio: Need to read into.
LLD: Town. #217. Scum. #234. #249.
Toog: Scum. #96

Null

Dana: Scum #48 Town. #239.
Ooba; Scum. #179. Town. #252.
Gorilla: Need to read into - Have to check something from Vendetta.
Hind: Discussion soley relying on setup mechanics and strategy.
MoI: Lack of content.
Pooky: Need to read into later. I have a feeling I'm going to hate his playstyle though.
RedCoyote: Lack of content.
Vi: Need to read into later.
Swift Justice: Need to read into later.
inHim: Can't ever read him this early.

[gorilla]

When one has many words and yet says nothing one is for death.

I don't believe I've done either of those but if that's your reasoning okay


preview-edit: regfan, you reference Magua's #160 as town but you just asked what abilities should be listed in the draft when Magua is putting forth suggestions in that post

[Magister Ludi]

Mina actually makes a good point against swift justice. (about recieving a town read before doing anything) Too often I see scum throwing out town reads in an attempt to 'get in the good books' of town players, making themself a less attractive lynch target.

[Magister Ludi]

All these town----->scum lists floating around now need to dissipate. I don't need a laundry list of every player in the game (who everyone also happens to be reading), what people need is pointed attacks on those doing scummy things.

Socio: "This just in: Toasty is now high ranking scums."

Can you back this up? Toasty seems to be one of those perennial players scum like to latch onto in efforts to mislynch.

[Magister Ludi]

This needs clarifaction:

Alamaster, does the Terrorist get to first pick a troop deployment without interference?

(Also, Screaming Death, can you stop using caps so much.)

(The terrorist receives a free additional selection of their choice in addition to participating in the draft. Their selection is not removed from the draft pool. --AGM)

[Regfan]

preview-edit: regfan, you reference Magua's #160 as town but you just asked what abilities should be listed in the draft when Magua is putting forth suggestions in that post

What I meant by a summarization of what we should be aiming towards was inclusion of occurances such as SDC targetting Airbase and Kats stating Counterintelligence is a no-go.

Mina actually makes a good point against swift justice. (about recieving a town read before doing anything) Too often I see scum throwing out town reads in an attempt to 'get in the good books' of town players, making themself a less attractive lynch target.

Are you attempting to state that mentioning your reads is a scum-tell or that mention of reads are inefficent?

PEdit: I was planning on going much further into depth on my reads however I'm severely limited in time and figured my notes will suffice until I return.

[SpyreX]

Ohh snap Reg may be town.

Can you back this up? Toasty seems to be one of those perennial players scum like to latch onto in efforts to mislynch.

See sig.

He's for nukin' not for lynchin but seriously now.

[ToastyToast]

Ohh snap Reg may be town.

Can you back this up? Toasty seems to be one of those perennial players scum like to latch onto in efforts to mislynch.

See sig. He's for nukin' not for lynchin but seriously now.

Yet another great explanation by SpyreX

[Magister Ludi]

Reg, It is a common occurence (in my experience) for scum to simply declare a player "town" for no apparent reason because it is an easy read to make (they know they aren't wrong) and it makes the town player less likely to want to lynch them (because the other player has correctly 'figured' out theri alignment) and it looks as if the scum is doing something.

The game of mafia is pretty simple, all the town members are trying to figure out eachothers alignment and who doesn't belong, and then form up together with mutual town reads to beat the scum. A pro-town voting block is very hard to beat. (which is why scum either want to be in it or prevent it from happening)

A read of XXXX is town because of YYY and this means ZZZ is definently a town mindset. It represent thoughtfulness (figuring stuff out etc)
A read of XXXX is town period is a scum mindset.
A read of YYYY is town because of crappy reasons that don't maker a player town is a scum mindset.

(This is what happened with Swift)

So, no, mentioning reads and explaining them is basically the essence of mafia, and is not a scum tell in the slightest. Its how you back it up those reads that is important.

[Magister Ludi]

Toasty, would you mind giving me a read (or even sentence or two) on the following players:

Reg
Swift
Socio

I'm interested in your thoughts, and there is no reason to wait until DEFCON 3 to hear them.

[Swift Justice]

But yes, I do find it off that you were quick to call me town for very weak reasons, so fresh after being fooled by me as scum (note to everyone else: I'm referring to an off-site game). Didn't you even say in the Queue thread that you can't read me? You said it was because I discussed set-up mechanics. Except I actually didn't discuss set-up mechanics at all; I just promised to get around to it and never did. And you've also seen me discuss the set-up as scum.

sigh just because YOU'RE paranoid about me (and you are, and it's amusing) doesn't mean I'm going to play like that. i trust myself completely to read anyone accurately. i mean sure if i consistently read you wrong you might have a point...but I don't, and you don't. you were trying to figure out a way to use the set-up to our advantage that's more likely to come from mina town. i don't see you making that post as scum and tried to articulate why, because you asked. you only discussed set-up mechanics in malazan because you had no choice, iirc.

equinox is now catching up I believe, and you get a +5 for calling me amusing, that is buddying.

[Swift Justice]

Reg, It is a common occurence (in my experience) for scum to simply declare a player "town" for no apparent reason because it is an easy read to make (they know they aren't wrong) and it makes the town player less likely to want to lynch them (because the other player has correctly 'figured' out theri alignment) and it looks as if the scum is doing something.

YEAH I AGREE MAN.

[Swift Justice]

Mina actually makes a good point against swift justice. (about recieving a town read before doing anything) Too often I see scum throwing out town reads in an attempt to 'get in the good books' of town players, making themself a less attractive lynch target.

I CALLED HER TOWN FOR HER FIRST POST. I GUESS I'M JUST GOOD ENOUGH TO BASE A READ ON THAT HUH?

[Swift Justice]

likin' regfan better. his reads look pretty decent, actually.

[SpyreX]

CAPS LAWKE

Is Ludi scum yes no?