Yosarian2 wrote:Vote:Battle Mage/b]
Zydrate comes in a little blue vial.
Haylen wrote:Incognito wrote:Actually...
unvote, vote: TripMyWire
Gentle FoS: Green Crayons
Serious vote.
Why is this serious?Vote IncognitoBANDWAGON GO GO!
Bvoigt. SERIOUSLY? NO H? Pretty sure I've consistantly put an h between the g and t.
Note: V/LA most weekends. I also went for a job interview yesterday and if I get it I'll be the carer of a young disabled teen for the next year :3
camn wrote:Hello, everyone!
I haven't watched this movie yet.. but I am going to watch it this weekend.
I really just joined for the playerlist.
andVOTE: MAGUA
THis is a grudge-vote, strictly.
Camn wrote:
In other news, I am firmly against the Incognito-hate. It is far too early for that level of animosity.
Plus, Hayl.. what on earth is scummy about Incog having a serious vote?
Oh, PS: I have been listening to Radiohead all week. I was too girly to really like them when they were popular.. but now, with the wisdom of age, I recognize that they are a great Band. Leaders amongst the new British invasion.
Haylen wrote:~ I've witnessed BM intentionally lurk as scum, by the way.
Incognito wrote:Trip, Haylen is obvscum because she's pretty obviously making up stuff as she goes along. The meta thing was one piece of evidence, but if you read along with my post 14 you'll see me pointing out more of her making stuff up as she goes along too.
The other reason why I think Haylen is obvscum has to do with meta, which I don't expect you to know about -- Haylen tends to get much more emotional and all over the place as town but in this game she seems fairly stable, which is scummy for her. Plus there's the fact that everyone and their mother hasn't attacked her yet, which would have happened already if she was town.
Incognito wrote:
@BM, it's tomorrow. Can you provide that reasoning now?
Haylen wrote:
BM, actually thoughts on everything that's happened until now, please? I notice you managed to avoid that whilst you were catching up.
Haylen wrote:Scum wouldn't want to connect with their partner because it's likely to backfire later in the game when everyone starts looking for relationships, Yos has played enough games to know that. If you want a simple explanation: Yos is ancient, ancient people are wise and know what not to do.
PeregrineV wrote:@Battle- Today, right now, I would be against a lynching of me, Green Crayons, Incog, or Haylen. And your Incog vote doesn't make a lot sense. Can you provide further insight about your decision making process in that regard?
Medicated Lain wrote:Battle mage wrote:MEDICATED LAIN: Your first post will be a detailed analysis of Bvoigt and if you wanna get in Crayon's good books, Yosarian(2). I really dont want to see any random generic rubbish, we need focus.
I'm not interested in following your orders for approval, and certainly not interested in buddying with crayons at this point. I may have been out of mafia for some many years, and I may have a different style from some of this town's... I get the feeling so far anyway. But is it that necessary to boss me around on what to do? I'll play by my own style, thank you.
Medicated Lain wrote:
Read through the game as a whole, and ISOd the first half today. That is where my comments and questions will lay.
@peregrine: why so many posts in other games, but such little attention here? There's not much else that can be said, Magua is right, #58 is weird... what were you even doing there? I don't understand that post at all.
@mehplus rahr... uhm... do you exist? Are we getting a replacement soon?
about pine: I admit I agree that the post against camn was worded funny. But i guess I've learned from recent experience that that doesn't always mean everything. Looking at everything beyond that post, I personally think pine is about the most town looking person in this game so far.... although I do think it's interesting to note that Magua thinks he's getting more personally involved than he usually would, I will keep this in mind.
about green crayons: I think he is scum. The more I look, the more I wonder about you, crayons.
question: Why did you wait so long, over a day and multiple posts in between talking about trip at all? You made no mention of him, and then suddenly bring it up and kind of bash on it for a few posts, and move away again.
Looking at crayons over all trend, this is what happens, he seems to be making a point of addressing folk as much as possible... Magua, trip, me, Yos, pine, haylen, camn, pere. I guess to me, it feels like attempts at seeming active and keeping in touch with the town, without actually doing anything.
I understand not throwing a vote around, but you sure do question, interrogate, suspect people quite a lot for not having moved your vote from the very first one of the game.unvote, vote: green crayons
about bvoigt: Doesn't seem the cleanest but certainly better looking than crayons. I can look at the game in context and understand why the votes placed were done so. The bickering with Pine seemed really unnecessary, since Pine had declared what he meant, it looked like just trying to keep the fuel going. I don't like this.
@Magua:
magua wrote:Camn, if you vote Yosarian, I promise not to daykill you today.camn wrote:and VOTE: MAGUA
THis is a grudge-vote, strictly.
The mention of promising not to day kill this game, is this a reference to the last game you two played together?
I will be looking over the rest tomorrow, and probably placing a vote on crayons then.
PeregrineV wrote:Sure. I generally leave my vote where it is until I re-vote someone else, or until someone gets close to lynching. Then I re-examine if I want to keep my vote there.
So far, I haven't found a better place to put it yet, but I did unvote so it can be clear thatat this timeI have no suspicion of Haylen.
Medicated Lain wrote:No worries, I'm not an angry person, just aggressive when need be ^^
Medicated Lain wrote:
You'll get one tomorrow. I only allocate so much time of my life to back reading in games, so tomorrow will be the second half of the town.
Wow, I guess there was a little too much zydrate in my cereal this morning. I will leave my vote on him until tomorrow, and see if anyone looks anymore suspicious. First I want some answers to some of these questions.
Yosarian2 wrote:Battle Mage wrote:I suppose i'll offer a courtesyFoS: Yosarian2for inconsistency of argument. Why are you attacking Tripmywire for something (admittedly i hadnt noticed this) that i am equally guilty of?
How is it "the same thing"? Yes, you and tripwire both attacked Incognito, but your attack seemed like it might have had pro-town motives behind it. It looked like you were actually reading Incog's post and questioning his logic, while Trip just looks like a scum who's doing fake-scumhunting and planting a vote for no real reason.
Yos wrote:I really don't get why he's attacking incog here...are you attacking him just because you don't agree with his logic on Haylen?
Yos wrote:
Also, Trip is trying to have it both ways on pretty much every wagon in the game, and is generally acting like scum. There's more then one reason he's my main suspect right now. Don't write him off as town just because he agrees with you, BM.
Yos wrote:
Me wrote:I'd like to see Yos explain why Incognito's diabolical logic against Haylen is not scummy.
Hmm? I don't think it is scummy. He pointed out she's not acting or thinking like she has acted in other games in the past when she was town, and gave links to demonstrate; that's a pretty reasonable meta-argument. Not an especially strong argument, but fine for the early stage of day 1.
Yos wrote:
He's also saying that Haylen-town tends to meander all over the place and generally do weird stuff, while Haylen-scum is more calm and controlled. That's probably a true meta of her, based on what I've seen. Haylen is a stronger scum player then she is a town player; not that she's a bad town player, but she's won, what, 3 games as SK in a row or something?
Yos wrote:
Finally, id like to see him give comment on Medicated Lain.
Hmm? Don't really have much of a read on her yet. She hasn't done much so far, but that was also true of the last game I played with her, and she was town then.
Why her?
camn wrote:Whoa.. Yos-lynch Day 1?
I don't know if I can cope with that.
It's like trying to kill God or the Devil or something to me. I gotta work up my courage.
Can't we lynch a scummier, newer player?
GreenCrayons wrote:At first it was because of his weird Yos joke (being second after Magua) and because of his strange posting. My vote started out as a early-D1 thought of it being a scum putting on an attempt to look super Loose And Crazy! (Apparently he just posts... that... way.) Then it became a lurker vote. Now it's a meh vote, because I can't get a read off of that type of posting. I mean, seriously -- he's even done the "joke about being a scum" on page six, which is something for which I always vote (and it's even done on page six!). That's just frustrating.
PeregrineV wrote:@Battle- I'll be happy to read any links to recent (past 2 months) normal type games where scum bussed on purpose, esp. day 1.
Incognito wrote:I think I'm just about caught up again.
BM, if I understand your case against me, you're basically saying that my attack on Haylen looks contrived because you think Haylen hadn't put forth much in the way of content to be considered "stable" and not "all over the place." If that's the case then I disagree with you; the Haylen that I know would be doing all kinds of silly stuff on the first few pages like claiming to be an octupusduckgoosehenchicken with laser beams shooting out of its ass and NOT producing actual reads like she did in say, her post 96. That's the kind of thing I'm noticing when I say she seems stable so far.
Separate post to follow.
Peregrin wrote:
And can all my fans please post the link to their "cases", or present them concisely, if they want a response.
If you don't want a response, or don't have a case, then why are you voting me again?
Haylen wrote:I would be interested in knowing why Crayons would not mind a hayl lynch
PeregrineV wrote:@Battle- Sorry, my subscription to Mafiascum Monthly expired and I missed the headline about BattleMage's triumphant return to the game.
You may pick any game in the last 2 years, ok?
Green Crayons wrote:So my vote on BM is split up into three parts: (1) my initial vote, (2) my continued vote, and (3) my current vote. Please note that this has been literally the same vote in that it has not moved. Each part is split based on the reasons behind the vote being put on (or maintained) BM.
(1) My Initial Vote
My initial vote came after my shift away from voting Magua. I originally voted Magua early on without explanation. My cause for this vote was because he made a bad joke. No, honestly. I think telling bad jokes is scummy because its a conscious attempt to make yourself look relaxed. I removed my vote because of the mix-up about Magua's "claim." Actually, in making this review I see that I shunted Magua off into the "comfortable with not lynching" category. I find that this categorization is actually baseless and I feel neutral about him at this point (absent a full review of the thread).
Anyways. I shifted my vote to BM because he was the next person to have done exactly the same as Magua. Bad jokes are scummy. That was sufficient for a page two vote.
Green Crayons wrote:
(2) My Continued Vote
After switching my vote, my attention was focused on the more lively topics of discussion. Camn's requested name claim, Incog's meta reads, Pine's defensive posting, etc. I left my vote on BM because through this all he was failing to post but had already shown that he was aware the game had started. There was a four day gap between BM's last post before my vote and first post after my vote. During this time (about five pages) I was content with merely discussing the topics without need of moving my vote. The first indication of the cause (at the time) for my vote was not until right after the mod mentioned prodding, but I had already typed up my own bolded prod when I saw the Mod's prod notice. I purposefully left my vote not fully explained (though probably easily discernible) because I was curious as to what BM's reaction would be when he finally returned.
Green Crayons wrote:
(3) My Current Vote
I have described my current vote as "meh." This is not because I don't think it's a worthwhile vote, but because it has more to do with gut than "reason." Maybe "reason" if we want to qualify it as me using whatever bullshit I remember from Psychology 101. So mostly gut about what I feel is a suspect play.
First is his rapid succession posting. There's the four back-to-back posts upon his return on June 14th. A double post on June 15. A triple post on June 16th. A triple post on June 16th. And then a double post on June 20th. This only lists those posts which were made almost back-to-back, but there were several postings (June 16th-17th, particularly) made within the same general time period.
Green Crayons wrote:
So why is this suspicious? Because it looks like to me he's attempting to throw whatever his initial thoughts are about a situation without giving it much thought. Apart from being potentially unhelpful to the town, this also helps alleviates the detriment of being scum: worrying about what signals your posting gives off. His posts come across as a stream of consciousness flow of thoughts.
Green Crayons wrote:
It's worth noting that he's actively acknowledged that the "laying low" playstyle is when he's scum, so the fact that it appears that he's consciously taken the exact opposite tact (instead of something less extreme) is suspicious. It's like his posting style is screaming "I'M NOT SCUM GUYS."
Green Crayons wrote:
Second are his gestures to show that he's comfortable with people looking at him with an eye of suspicion. This would give the air of him having nothing to hide and thus is an affectation of being town. There's his throwaway line about reading the scum quicktopic. Then there is his asking another player to PBPA him (as opposed to questioning me -- but that's addressed below). This is suspicious because it appears to be a constructed effort to look town by appearing calm about being put under suspicion. If this sounds akin to my initial reason for voting him, then that is because I believe the underlying reason is closely related if not altogether the same.
Green Crayons wrote:
Third is his willingness to delay explanations.
- Seen with his Pere vote, which he puts off explaining and as far as I can tell failed to ever give a reason. There was no cause to delay this reason, especially when it was asked for, and he managed to get a free pass at voting someone.
- He also threw out there that he disagreed about scum tactics but said he wouldn't explain until Day 3 if he was alive and anyone cared to ask. This specifically looks like a smug scum who thinks by D3 they might be in the win (at least after a D3 town-lynch) so he's planting it to gloat later on.
Green Crayons wrote:
At all times I was more than slightly intoxicated
bvoigt wrote:Most of those points about Battle Mage are pretty "meh" to me. However, I think the thing about never explaining his Peregrine vote is a good catch. And BM just kind of laughs it off without actually addressing the real point. Whydidyou originally vote Peregrine?