Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

[Amrun]

I do agree that this DH issue will not go away until he dies. *sigh*

[Llamarble]

I looked more at DH. I do not think his wagon is awesome.
I do like PLAN FLASHWAGON. Fluff isn't scum though.
VOTE: SEVEI

[Equinox]

Bleh. Looking at the vote counts, I can see why you're no longer on the Sotty7 wagon. (Call me a derp and I'll agree with you.)

Something I'm thinking about right now -- and more likely than not this is just infodump but I'm bored -- and...

DemonHybrid (5) - mith, Sotty7, Chris B, InflatablePie, Thor665

People who have been vocal about DemonHybrid-town: Amrun, Equinox, LlamaFluff, Thor665

We're pretty much 4-4 here, and I think the problem is that we have 4 people agreeing on a scum read... and 4 people who agree that DemonHybrid is more likely than not town yet can't agree on who's scum.

I have no idea where I'm even going with this.

Preview edit: You know what happened the last time I tried that, right?

[Llamarble]

Do you mean the Gummy wagon from Hydramafia? Yeah that wasn't so good.
But we missed last time so this time we have to hit scum, yes?

[Equinox]

EBWOP: I think at least 3 people on the DemonHybrid wagon right now are town; the remainder are mith and Sotty7, and I'm still in the middle^(?) of reading the cases there, but the only other wagon I see moving is mith... and I kind of doubt I'd be willing to go there, but we'll see.

For now, how about we run with this?

I'll hammer DemonHybrid once he gets his team together and posts thoughts.

(Let the last-minute discussion frenzy commence!)

[Equinox]

Falling asleep, so digestion and/or hammer coming in the morning.

[InflatablePie]

Seems I'm back from V/LA a bit early.

I'll make a proper post once I get some more coffee in me.

[Sotty7]

I hate this game.

DH's team can take a running jump for all I care. Saying I avoided contact with Sevei is lolsy when I have defended her hammer practically all day.

More later when I have woken up properly.

[Chris B]

EBWOP: I think at least 3 people on the DemonHybrid wagon right now are town; the remainder are mith and Sotty7, and I'm still in the middle^(?) of reading the cases there, but the only other wagon I see moving is mith... and I kind of doubt I'd be willing to go there, but we'll see.

For now, how about we run with this?

I'll hammer DemonHybrid once he gets his team together and posts thoughts.

(Let the last-minute discussion frenzy commence!)

This has me a little concerned, I have to admit. Once DH posts what his team thoughts, I'll be reading the cases, and if there's something that changes my mind, I'm open to that (not least because I'm aware how town I've found mith, particularly, and that's never a good thing). I'm open to the idea that DH might not definitely be scum.

Does anyone else see what I mean by finding this concerning?

[Equinox]

Does anyone else see what I mean by finding this concerning?

Ooh, ooh, me, me, me!

That I doubt DemonHybrid is scum but will probably hammer him anyway?

If that's the right answer, what do you think of Thor665's comments about game momentum?

[Amrun]

I hate this game.

DH's team can take a running jump for all I care. Saying I avoided contact with Sevei is lolsy when I have defended her hammer practically all day.

More later when I have woken up properly.

This smells ever so slightly of a "caught for the wrong reasons" hissy fit. Nothing definitive, though.

ChrisB, why are townreads bad?

[Chris B]

Does anyone else see what I mean by finding this concerning?

Ooh, ooh, me, me, me!

That I doubt DemonHybrid is scum but will probably hammer him anyway?

If that's the right answer, what do you think of Thor665's comments about game momentum?

Not quite. You didn't say you'd probably hammer. You said you would hammer. And you did it while maintaining distance at the same time. It was the certainty. Partially, it comes across not just that you think he's town, but that you KNOW he's town.

That's why I'm concerned.

[Amrun]

Attacking Equinox for lack of fencesitting

Lol.jpg

[Chris B]

ChrisB, why are townreads bad?

They're not. However, it's comprised more of gut than anything else, with a healthy dollop of 'yeah, he's saying the things that I think'. It means I'm less likely to think he's scum, and more likely to come up with alternate reasons for slips. I'm giving him something of a pass and I'm aware of it. However, at the same time, I don't think he's buddying up to me. It's more that I've liked a lot of his posts, but that's all it is.

My point is that it's a little bit more gut and a little bit less read. Now, my gut's not that bad, but I've misled before.

[Chris B]

Attacking Equinox for lack of fencesitting

Lol.jpg

Defending someone for knowing someone's town and hammering anyway is a little lolworthy as well.


Meanwhile, I realise I neglected to respond to Equi's point about Thor.

I think there definitely needs to be some momentum in this game. It's glacially slow. But he was talking about L-1 and reactions more than he was talking about 'lynch and move on, people!'.

That said, if there'd be any chance of shorter day phases in the next few days, y'know - that'd be great. Unless we successfully lynch scum this day phase, at which point we're doing what works...

[Amrun]

What is the scum motivation for Equinox's action?

[Equinox]

Partially, it comes across not just that you think he's town, but that you KNOW he's town.

LOOK AT HIS REACTION TO GETTING L-1'ED

TELL ME THAT IS A SCUM REACTION

AND THEN LOOK AT POST 827

THE LEVEL OF DERP IN THIS GAME IS MAKING ME RAGE

But he was talking about L-1 and reactions more than he was talking about 'lynch and move on, people!'.

RTFT

Thor665 is lynching DemonHybrid. If he wanted reactions, he'd have unvoted by now.

[Amrun]

Equinox, help me make mith happen.

If I'm wrong, I swear I'll sheep your vote tomorrow.

[Equinox]

Sheeping me would be a bad idea.

Let me think about mith.

[Thor665]

Thor665 is lynching DemonHybrid. If he wanted reactions, he'd have unvoted by now.

*Spreads arms wide*

[Equinox]

*Spreads arms wide*

*looks at DemonHybrid*
*looks at Thor665*
*points to Thor665's vote*
*cackles*

[Equinox]

Hey, Thor665. (Amrun can join in, too.)

Thought exercise!

Do you think scum would be trying to lynch DemonHybrid or white-knight/defend him?

[Amrun]

Wagon+Equinox+Thor+a reasonable member of society=6

In the very least, he's less obvtown than DH.

*puppy dog eyes*

P-edit: it varies on the player. Possibly a one-on one-off kind of deal. I lean towards both on, though. More likely than avid defending is smply being off the wagon, though anything is possible.

[Equinox]

On the one hand, two town reads Amrun and DemonHybrid are on it.

On the other hand, LlamaFluff's on it.

WHAT DO

[Equinox]

Okay, you lot are probably tired of seeing the red-haired spamming the game, but I have a pony here jumping up and down in excitement and I promised that I'd pass on the messages.

Basically:

I'm being yelled at that DemonHybrid and mith are town.
The pony wishes to yell at Amrun for this post but still thinks Amrun is probably town.