Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[Ranmaru]

Interesting. How does he usually play? (It's noted that he doesn't even want to answer questions at all)

Somewhat more good.

DN is definantly in the "VI" category of players, and is lynchbait in most of his games. He does actually get into games most of the time though, and make a few tries to get things done when he decides to or is pushed into it. Running him up will either get him to do something or get him out of the game.

So you are saying he may be doing less because he is scum?

[LlamaFluff]

Could be.

When im at a point like this though when I dislike most of the large wagons, and the deadline is pressing such that I do not feel that I have the ability to get someone ran up that I would like to see lynched, the push of someone who is just lurking around and intentionally damaging the town is a very good lynch. If DN is town, he never is going to get killed by scum, and probably not vigged given recent statements. As he has decided that he is not going to contribute, that just compounds the headache that he is creating for the rest of the town.

He actually is slightly scummy though too, and because of that, the gain from wagoning him hard increases greatly since he actually doesnt have poor odds to flip scum to begin with. I really cant see much of a scenario where lynching him does much damage, especially if the lynch is very quick as scum will get caught completely off guard.

[Ranmaru]

What is your read on RC, and what were your thoughts on his recent catch up?

Isn't it a bit risky to push for a late wagon near deadline though? Why haven't you tried pushing for it earlier?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

For the record, ranmaru, I read that entire post by ®_© since I care slightly more about what one of my suspects is posting than what you are.

®_©, the problem with your catch-up was that it contained too many irrelevancies (e.g. Amrun did this, this post by BMQ is a null tell) and didn't show a whole lot of thought (e.g. giving Llamafluff town points, giving Yosarian2 scum points for having unpopular opinions). It could've been condensed to 10% of its current length, easy-peasy.

[HezLucky]

Like, seriously. Ignore CES and continue to show your work. If he doesn't want to read that's up to him.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You really want him to include stuff like "#100 (Surye): "if he is VT or scum, he will survive the night, and again, no real information on the wagon or analysis. Ugh, i hate d1 VT claims." == This obviously didn't happen. Still, null. (also, Surye flipped town on N1)"?

[LlamaFluff]

What is your read on RC, and what were your thoughts on his recent catch up?

Isn't it a bit risky to push for a late wagon near deadline though? Why haven't you tried pushing for it earlier?

I still have RC as slightly town. Not really loving the way the wagon showed up and I dont see him as too likely scum unless Furc is scum (which I doubt).

I am fine pushing this wagon though, now instead of earlier because this is where I draw the line of not being able to get an optimal lynch done, although I still accomplished a couple major goals of mine today.

[Ranmaru]

I disagree. I don't see town vibes from him. I feel like he is catching up to avoid being lynched (or to stall). (Although his catch up is more than welcome) Still waiting on Batt to actually give reads.

I fear that we can't really drudge up a lynch on Deathnote because people have to argue, change positions and finalize votes all within 4 days. I'd think everyone would rather sit on a wagon near deadline then try to move onto another one.

Btw, can you link to Deathnote's town games where he would try harder than he is here?

[LlamaFluff]

This one he tried a little more on after he got ran up at least.

I think if the dead in the water wagons fall apart there will be no trouble getting DN lynched. I would be willing to vote RC to stop a deadline no lynch, but I just dont like that the wagon formed out of the sudden loud posting that happened, probably in part because I am willing to spite people who post like that by not voting with them unless I am overly confident since it destroys the town. But also because I just dont see it more then someone falling behind and not reacting well to pressure.

[HezLucky]

Read rule 5 of the rules. Lynch at deadline requires half the number of players (with a tie going to whoever reached that number first)

[HezLucky]

err rule 6.

and its half the number that would usually be required

[Ranmaru]

Who exactly are you addressing, Hez?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Llama "I would be willing to vote RC to stop a deadline no lynch" Fluff

[Ranmaru]

Ah, ok. Yeah that only happens if there is a tie between competing wagons. @ Hez

[Ranmaru]

@Llama: I looked at his iso a bit, maybe it's the playerbase or something? I didn't read too much into it.

Well he was being very lurky and scummy. Brian voted him, and others did too. What part of the wagon forming didn't you like?

[DeathNote]

Llama's logic is fail. Lynching town is never a better option. You should go for scum every day, not lynch someone cause they are bad town and just maybe scum.

[Ranmaru]

Well it's either your lynch or RC's lynch. You choose.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I will be V/LA from Thursday night through Sunday. Patrick will be covering VCs and such in my absence, but I will check in when I can.

[Zindaras]

#120 (Zindaras): "This post

[AGAr's #58]

just feels horribly wrong to me. I am extremely suspicious of anyone confirming other people as being a certain alignment based on metas and assumptions." >> Did you honestly, HONESTLY think that if AGar was scum with vezok, that he'd defend him and obviously link himself to him like that? Also, how do you feel about the statement you made now that vezok has flipped town?

No, I don't think a player would do that with his scumbuddy. But latching onto a townie and strongly defending him is quite a good strategy for scum. Of course, town does it as well so it's always a challenge to see who's faking it for the brownie points and who's seriously unhappy about the lynch. AGar's posting seemed to sure to be real. Vezok's death doesn't really change any of this.

Also, "I'm just going to put it this way: if he goes back on his claim, I'll be doing everything to get him to die. Liars are scum." >> Unfortunately, not anymore. In the current site meta, people who are town lie all the time, fake claim PRs as VTs, etc. It's ridiculous, and anti-town, and I hate it, but you can't just Lynch All Liars and expect to hit scum every time any more.

-I don't deal with anti-town behaviour very well.
-I am not up to date with the current meta here, but if you're right, this saddens me greatly.
-If we do not accept lying as a reason for a lynch, there's not much left.

Overall feeling from RC's catchup post is okay, but I feel he overreaches a bit on Yosarian. I dislike that.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras

:
#568: I have seen someone execute scum on d1 before as well. Except that was a scumbuddy. ;-;

Had to get in between here, but I just noticed this while scrolling: was that a reference to the Kingmaker game I played on the WotC-forums?

[SensFan]

As per MoS' post against personal attacks, this is my last post until RC is lynched. See you guys tomorrow.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Ah, ok. Yeah that only happens if there is a tie between competing wagons. @ Hez

6. Each Day phase will last no longer than

3 weeks

. Deadlines are subject to the Helios mechanic. At deadline, ½ the original number of votes will be required for a lynch to occur.

In case of a tie, the person who first received the required number of votes will be lynched.

If this number is not met, a No Lynch will occur.

[MrBuddyLee]

unvote, vote: SensFan

[HezLucky]

Are we seriously doing a Senswagon? If support is mustered up I am IN.

[Ranmaru]

Zindaras

:
#568: I have seen someone execute scum on d1 before as well. Except that was a scumbuddy. ;-;

Had to get in between here, but I just noticed this while scrolling: was that a reference to the Kingmaker game I played on the WotC-forums?

Hmmm? No, it was a reference to a mafia game I played offsite. "Inception Mafia". I have it on my wiki.

@hez: I have minor suspicions of Sensfan. He hasn't really answered me when I asked for reads. I am willing to support his wagon, but my priority is RC.

Here is the problem. RC has stalled for so long, that he has been the main wagon. Great, he is catching up now, but near his own death. If he would have done this much much earlier, the town could have used all the time wasted on wagoning him, on others that would benefit the town. Because of this, I do not believe he should be left off the hook so easily. (Basically, he was a main distraction for so long, and is only catching up to avoid being lynched [since he is catching up near deadline OF HIS OWN LYNCH)