Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[Thor665]

@Ant - did all of that qualify as explaining why you called for a Vig shot on a player you cleared via investigation? Because I'm still not 'getting it' if that is the case.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Oh, sorry.
I still wasn't happy with investigation on him
I thought his post me claim actions were pretty scummy once dana flipped

[Thor665]

And so you wanted the Vig to kill him prior to killing someone you hadn't scanned?

[Mastermind of Sin]

@Ant:
Honestly, I wasn't at first. Neither of us were confirmed to the other, but she seemed to trust me a lot. It seemed like buddying to me. However,

(1) She has been scumhunting more than people give her credit for
(2) I am 100% of her flavor, and it's a good character from the show (from what I've gleaned off a wiki)
(3) <Can't say reason 3 right now>

@EmpKing:
I'm fine with that. I'm the one who suggested the mass flavor claim. I'm CIA Agent Sarah Walker, who is, apparently, Chuck's love interest or wife or something.

Why should we believe Rag is town any more than you believe I am town?

[Mastermind of Sin]

V/LA for this week updated in my siggy.

[PeregrineV]

Guys, I killed ReaperCharlie and Magua. I'm sorry. I'm the vig, and I'm terrible at it. I was planning to kill MoS, but he had just claimed to be a role, so I hesitated and killed Magua instead. The interactions between dana and Magua were always "null tell" and "no read", so I thought I could get a freebie there. I killed RC because he's RC. The mafia didn't kill anybody Night 1, which is why I'm suspicious of all this 'doctor' talk. The mafia would be the most likely to suspect a doc because a doc might have stopped them.

Rag isn't scum. She's my neighbor. She's always been. I have always eyed her suspiciously, and I can see why you guys might suspect her, but trust me- she's far more open in the private thread. She's been analyzing each and every player. When I told her to post it, she was worried that she would 'clutter the thread' with her 'scattered opinions'. If you could see what I see, you'd understand. She's playing like a townie.

I have some other small pieces of information that I cannot share right now. As it stands, Rag and EmpKing look town to me. Ant maybe. Thor, Peregrene and CD are wild cards, and MoS needs to die.

Don't mean to be a stickler here MBF, but why did you assassinate on night1 and kill on night2?

Energetic Penguin: Lester Patel (Vanilla Townie) Lynched Day 1.
ReaperCharlie: "Big" Mike Tucker(Vanilla Townie) assassinated Night 1.
danakillsu: Stavros Demetrios (Mafia Roleblocker) Lynched Day 2
Magua: General Beckman (Vanilla Townie), assassinated Night 2
oboe: Anna Wu (Vanilla Townie), killed Night 2

[PeregrineV]

@Thor- Did you somewhere point out the simplest explanation? 3 mafia and a one-shot town vig that missed?

Peregrine: Why would a one-shot town vig kill confirmed town Ooba?

Guys, I killed ReaperCharlie and Magua. I'm sorry. I'm the vig, and I'm terrible at it. I was planning to kill MoS, but he had just claimed to be a role, so I hesitated and killed Magua instead. The interactions between dana and Magua were always "null tell" and "no read", so I thought I could get a freebie there. I killed RC because he's RC. The mafia didn't kill anybody Night 1, which is why I'm suspicious of all this 'doctor' talk. The mafia would be the most likely to suspect a doc because a doc might have stopped them.

Rag isn't scum. She's my neighbor. She's always been. I have always eyed her suspiciously, and I can see why you guys might suspect her, but trust me- she's far more open in the private thread. She's been analyzing each and every player. When I told her to post it, she was worried that she would 'clutter the thread' with her 'scattered opinions'. If you could see what I see, you'd understand. She's playing like a townie.

I have some other small pieces of information that I cannot share right now. As it stands, Rag and EmpKing look town to me. Ant maybe. Thor, Peregrene and CD are wild cards, and MoS needs to die.

[Empking]

Don't mean to be a stickler here MBF, but why did you assassinate on night1 and kill on night2?

He didn't.

My vote is going to go onto one of MBF and Rag, probably Rag because though MBF's kills look like an anti-town force I'm having a hard time seeing why he'd just claim like this. I'd like a massclaim starting with Rag (also has MOS claimed past the one-shot neighbourizer thing?)

[Thor665]

Guys, I killed

ReaperCharlie and Magua

.

Don't mean to be a stickler here MBF, but

why did you assassinate on night1 and kill on night2

?

Energetic Penguin: Lester Patel (Vanilla Townie) Lynched Day 1.

ReaperCharlie

: "Big" Mike Tucker(Vanilla Townie)

assassinated

Night 1.
danakillsu: Stavros Demetrios (Mafia Roleblocker) Lynched Day 2

Magua

: General Beckman (Vanilla Townie),

assassinated

Night 2
oboe: Anna Wu (Vanilla Townie), killed Night 2

In this game, Thor is the only one who reads, it is a proven.

@Empking - you want to kill MBF or Rag? Do you think they're scum together or that they're equally likely one of the alternate scum team potentials, or what? I feel like this kill list came out of nowhere with no justification for its existence. Second question - what do you think of my reasoning that MBF is town?

[Empking]

Guys, I killed

ReaperCharlie and Magua

.

Don't mean to be a stickler here MBF, but

why did you assassinate on night1 and kill on night2

?

Energetic Penguin: Lester Patel (Vanilla Townie) Lynched Day 1.

ReaperCharlie

: "Big" Mike Tucker(Vanilla Townie)

assassinated

Night 1.
danakillsu: Stavros Demetrios (Mafia Roleblocker) Lynched Day 2

Magua

: General Beckman (Vanilla Townie),

assassinated

Night 2
oboe: Anna Wu (Vanilla Townie), killed Night 2

In this game, Thor is the only one who reads, it is a proven.

I saw that before you. I just didn't want to spell it out.

@Empking - you want to kill MBF or Rag? Do you think they're scum together or that they're equally likely one of the alternate scum team potentials, or what?

I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood. I fail to see how the list is random considering Rag has always been my top suspect today and MBF claimed a kill on RC.

Second question - what do you think of my reasoning that MBF is town?

Its the only reason I'm not voting him.

[Thor665]

I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood.

Shouldn't that make our top two Rag/MoS? As the neighborizers they're the suspect ones, yeah?

[PeregrineV]

Let's wrap our heads around this. Please correct me if I'm wrong:

Channeldelibird
Ant_to_the_max- claims cop, investigates ooba n1 and EmpKing n2, now and forever neighbors with MoS as of n2
PerigrineV-town
Mastermind of Sin*- claims "Neighborizer", and made Ant a neighbor n2
Thor665
mikeburnfire- claims "town vig" and "neighbor" with Rag. Claims n1 kill of ReaperCharlie and n2 kill of Magua. Claims Rag appears much townier in QT.
Ragnarokio- "neighbor" to MBF
Empking- Investigated as town by Ant (who also asks the vig to kill EmpKing)

P-edit: so Thor and Emp, you are saying you think the doc protected against the n1 mafia kill?

[Empking]

I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood.

Shouldn't that make our top two Rag/MoS? As the neighborizers they're the suspect ones, yeah?

Wow, somebody hasn't been reading the thread.

MBF was neighbourized by Rag, he has always been

neighbours

with Rag.

[PeregrineV]

Role claims too:
Channeldelibird
Ant_to_the_max- claims Chuck Bartowski
PerigrineV
Mastermind of Sin
Thor665
mikeburnfire- claims Sarah Walker
Ragnarokio
Empking

[PeregrineV]

Geez, right now I'm a little pissed at MBF. I've seen worst judgement, but c'mon, really?

@MBF- please get Rag to share all reads on remaining players, else I call bullshit. Neighbors does not equal masons. Also as a neighbor/vig claim, you have almost all of the abilities of scum (QT & NK ability), so your still a suspect in my eyes.

@Ant-Mos neighbors- Crowded street, eh neighbors? So far it seeems Ant locates town then requests they die, and MBF kills them. Of course, it's all coincidence.

@Thor-

@Anyone who thinks Maua was a Vig kill - if you *really* think the Vig killed likely scum Magua and likely scum Reaper Charlie...let me know. I want to lynch you for being worthless. RC was fairly obv. town on Day 1 and Magua at least had a solid argument for being town because he was playing the worst game ever if he was scum and was also a counter wagon to scum!

So does this mean MBF is actually mafia?

[Thor665]

I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood.

Shouldn't that make our top two Rag/MoS? As the neighborizers they're the suspect ones, yeah?

Wow, somebody hasn't been reading the thread.

MBF was neighbourized by Rag, he has always been

neighbours

with Rag.

Actually I thought you were implying both neighborizers couldn't be town.
So you're going with both players in that particular neighborhood can't be town? ...why?

@Pere - My presumption was no Vig would be that full of fail. Considering how he went with his claim I'm more neutral on him at the moment, he wasn't exactly at risk, and it felt more like he claimed because everyone was bashing his choices - which makes his claim more town motivated than scum motivated. I've said this before.

[Empking]

I don't think they're scum together but I don't think this is an example of a two town neighbourhood.

Shouldn't that make our top two Rag/MoS? As the neighborizers they're the suspect ones, yeah?

Wow, somebody hasn't been reading the thread.

MBF was neighbourized by Rag, he has always been

neighbours

with Rag.

Actually I thought you were implying both neighborizers couldn't be town.

But there aren't two neighbourizers. At least that's what MBF said.

(Note to self: If Rag turns out to be a neighbourizer then she and Thor are 100% scum buddies)

So you're going with both players in that particular neighborhood can't be town? ...why?

Too much power in one group.

[Thor665]

But there aren't two neighbourizers. At least that's what MBF said.

(Note to self: If Rag turns out to be a neighbourizer then she and Thor are 100% scum buddies)

Touche' I haven't been reading either.
Though if she turns out to be a neighborizer than she couldn't have been always neighbors with MBF and he'd be more likely scum with her than I - derpy doo.

Why do you think neighbors is too much power?

[Empking]

But there aren't two neighbourizers. At least that's what MBF said.

(Note to self: If Rag turns out to be a neighbourizer then she and Thor are 100% scum buddies)

Touche' I haven't been reading either.
Though if she turns out to be a neighborizer than she couldn't have been always neighbors with MBF and he'd be more likely scum with her than I - derpy doo.

Why do you think neighbors is too much power?

Its because its coupled with the Vig.

[Thor665]

Yeah, but it's neighbors - probably the most useless ability in the game.
Though...

@MBF - Did you base your targets off of ideas presented by Rag paired with your own thoughts? Since she was scumhunting and all, i presume even if you didn't tell her you were a Vig you took in some of that excellent consideration she was doing, yeah?

[Thor665]

@Empking

Wht do you think makes more sense balance wise;

A SK with a neighbor of a town so he can...influence town somewhat?
or
Scum with a neighborhood of a Vig so they can...influence a second kill?
or
Vig and town so they can...not trust each other and maybe target kills better?

The most overpowered one I see is Scum having an in with the Vig, not Vig having an in with town. What am I missing?

[Empking]

@Empking

Wht do you think makes more sense balance wise;

A SK with a neighbor of a town so he can...influence town somewhat?
or
Scum with a neighborhood of a Vig so they can...influence a second kill?
or
Vig and town so they can...not trust each other and maybe target kills better?

The most overpowered one I see is Scum having an in with the Vig, not Vig having an in with town. What am I missing?

How do you define overpowered?

We have a Cop - That's one of the most power roles.
I believe we have a one-shot neighbourizer.
We have something that blocked a kill.
A Vig plus town neighbour is clearly overpowered.

[PeregrineV]

@Empking

Wht do you think makes more sense balance wise;

A SK with a neighbor of a town so he can...influence town somewhat?
or
Scum with a neighborhood of a Vig so they can...influence a second kill?
or
Vig and town so they can...not trust each other and maybe target kills better?

The most overpowered one I see is Scum having an in with the Vig, not Vig having an in with town. What am I missing?

How do you define overpowered?

We have a Cop - That's one of the most power roles.
I believe we have a one-shot neighbourizer.
We have something that blocked a kill.
A Vig plus town neighbour is clearly overpowered.

No possibility that MBF/Rag is the last of the scumteam using this as their claim?

[Empking]

@Empking

Wht do you think makes more sense balance wise;

A SK with a neighbor of a town so he can...influence town somewhat?
or
Scum with a neighborhood of a Vig so they can...influence a second kill?
or
Vig and town so they can...not trust each other and maybe target kills better?

The most overpowered one I see is Scum having an in with the Vig, not Vig having an in with town. What am I missing?

How do you define overpowered?

We have a Cop - That's one of the most power roles.
I believe we have a one-shot neighbourizer.
We have something that blocked a kill.
A Vig plus town neighbour is clearly overpowered.

No possibility that MBF/Rag is the last of the scumteam using this as their claim?

That seems crazy. If its gets to LyLo then I might have to look at that again but it looks crazy.

[Thor665]

@Emp - Why do you believe MoS as town neighborizer?