Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Calm down Yosarian. I haven't decided yet.

[ReaperCharlie]

Im not a fortune teller. I will find the scum (like Charlie) one at a time.

Like Surye too, eh?

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... _select=77

LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yo douchebag, where is this powerful analysis?

[ReaperCharlie]

It's gettin' there.

[ReaperCharlie]

Let me ask everyone here: What did you learn from Surye's flip? Heck, what did you learn from Amrun, CPE, and vezok's flips as well? Nothing?

You can't just start over every single day and pretend it's Day 1, like anybody who supports my lynch is trying to do. That's just stupid.

[Ranmaru]

What page?

[ReaperCharlie]

All of them.

[Ranmaru]

Ah, so is it reads time? and RC TALKS ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED, time?

[HezLucky]

Starting from #1182, my last post

(this is updated with the below btw)
Toon Fighter - 64/100
SensFan - 61/100
BrianMcQueso - 57/100
Porochaz - 57/100
Medicated Lain - 56/100
Zindaras - 56/100
Kison - 56/100
GummyBear - 54/100
AlbertBRampage - 54/100
mozamis/CES - 53/100
ReaperCharlie/Battousai - 53/100
Internet Stranger - 51/100
Everyone else - 50/100
Nobody Special/Agar - 50/100
DeathNote - 49/100
MBL - 48/100
LlamaFluff - 48/100
Yosarian2 - 46/100
Primate - 46/100
Furcolow - 44/100


Lain #1185 - I disagree. I do have a case on Sens. A very good one at that. I don't see why people can't see this.

IS/ABR arguments - If X flips scum, Y is next arguments are dumb. It's one thing if you think the town will get information from X's
lynch, but you have to convince everyone else of this as well.

Battousai(RC hydra) #1220 is good. At deadline, I will be lynching TF over this slot today for sure.

IS #1238 may be onto something, however, with point #7. I'm not sure how to deal with a hydra, so I will revisit this later. Ne'ertheless
there is certainly a disparity between my read on Battousai and my read on RC. It's not enough to place a vote on RC, but it's noted.

Also, just struck my mind. But I have a scumread on SensFan, and people are attacking RC, the only other person with a scumread on
SensFan. Surely, someone is CHAINSAWING on purpose.

Toon Fighter #1316 - TF's votes in general this game have been highly suspicious. With the exception of ABR, he seems to be targetting
people he feels are "lynchable", either because their playstyle is destructive (ie. ABR) or because they have a current wagon on
them (in the case of RC). Also, I dislike TF's distancing with SensFan here in #1316. I'm happy with my vote and think SensFan needs
to go (but not before TF).

ReaperCharlie #1327 - this post can't possibly be serious.

Going to stop at #1327. I think it's a better use of my time to summarize the case on TF, because I haven't seen a good one yet and
it may help the town in doing so.

[HezLucky]

(My) Case on ToonFighter -

First, let me point to some other people in this game that can explain the early problems:

This post really feels like Toon Fighter is trying to have it both ways about the death note case, trying to attack Death Note and "sound reasonable" at the same time, and I dislike it.

Here is Toon Fighter's #106

He said we should lynch vez to narrow down the PR list. Well, that IS scummy. But, if we lynched someone OTHER than Vez, we would narrow down the PR list even more than with lynching Vez (assuming he is telling the truth). Therefore, something is wrong with his argument, and it contradicts itself. What he may have meant is to lynch vezok narrow down the scum list or something, but the way it is phrased, it looks scummy to me. I just didn't vote immediately because the game was just starting, but now I am more confident in my opinion of DN. VOTE: DeathNote

My problem with this post is that, at the time (and I still believe this), it seemed like ToonFighter wasn't really reading the game in any way and was just looking for a wagon to hop on. In fact, Toon Fighter has done this pretty much all game -- largely sticking to wagons that he feels will result in lynches.

The post above itself is silly. There is no contradiction anywhere. While analyzing it earlier, I wrote:
"Lynch Vezok and the PR list is not narrowed down relative to a lynch of anyone
else. Surely someone would have thought about their post rather than realize its wrong far too late whilst haphazardly throwign a vote on DN."
which summarizes my position on it quite well.

@mozamis: I just ISO'd you and didn't like what I saw. You still maintain a very early vote with nearly no reasoning, you don't have any suspects, you just say you are against a vez lynch and say AGar looks town. You have nearly ZERO content on your posts. FoS: mozamis

This post (and yes, this is the entirity of the post) is also very strange --> He just listed many many reasons why he is suspicious of mozamis, yet it is still not enough for TF to vote mozamis? Given how opportunistic and weak some of TF's earlier votes have been, and the fact that mozamis wasn't under any pressure at this point in the game, it seemes like TF really didn't want to start anything on that end.

We now have 2 D1 vanilla claims. We should lynch one of them, otherwise we risk outing a power role. Furc has been acting scummier than Vez the entire game. His pseudo vote on himself is garbage, he didn't even unvote, and our mod is very strict about it. I say we go forward with Furc lynch.

I did not like this post for two reasons. #1 was my strong townread on both Vez and Furc, when there was a better Surye wagon around. He is basically saying "We should lynch a townie" and trying to justify the lynch so that he doesn't have to face the music later on if/when they flip town. Somehow he is trying to justify that lynching a vanilla townie is a pro-town move. He "doesn't want to hit power roles", sure, but both these lynch choices, in my eyes, were awful.

vote: Kublai Khan

He opportunistically jumped Surye's wagon yesterday and rode it till the end, contributing little on the way. He has 7 posts, only one of which has some content. In that post, he jumps Surye's wagon and attacks half of the living players. He hasn't done much scumhunting D1 (I know he was only in for a couple of days, but his posts barely have anything). Also, his replacee, bamboom, has only 2 posts, one in RVS and one commenting vez's situation. I can't see much more, for he was a lurker, but I hope KK comes out soon to join the discussion.

Also, I'm not liking Llamafluff's play. He is almost sure he was lied to, but still wants a possible cop to come out. I don't really see scum pulling a move like that [Llamma's] but I want to see where he is heading

This vote is poor and just doesn't make any sense. TF has mixed poor votes that don't make sense with poor votes on players that are unlikely to be scum with poor votes for the sake of voting bandwagon leaders.

As a personal reason, his scumdar is not at all in line with mine. That's a personal scumtell, and I believe it was at this point that he became my #1.

The combination of SensFan's interaction with Toon Fighter here (I thought it was ridiculous that SensFan would not call out Toon Fighter for such a ridiculous post -- he actually did, but not for the part of the post that
was ridiculous) and ToonFighter's distancing of SensFan in post #1316 (below) leads me to believe a possible connection between the two.

I am looking at the case on RC again, and, despite being led by SensFan, whom I still don't like much, I don't like that he keeps lurking and just trying to slide by after he was caught doing it. Plus, his vote on IS is just terribad. vote: RC

@ LF: I am a pro-town program, I am not a miller

Oh look. Distancing from SensFan. Oh look, Toon Fighter is voting for the current lynch leader which is something he has largely done all day (when he's not busy plopping his vote onto someone useless).

Oh look, he's claiming "pro-town program". Trapped in a corner, much?

(I'm already voting Toon Fighter, or this is where I would stick the vote on him)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hez gets it.

[Ranmaru]

^Scum?

[SensFan]

RC - You use the prefix 're' a ton for someone who hasn't read the game.

Hez - You'd be a much better player if you didn't start every post under the assumption that everyone has a perfect scumdar

[ReaperCharlie]

RC - You use the prefix 're' a ton for someone who hasn't read the game.

...Have I even said that once this game? Hint: No.

(obvious SensFanscum-getting-antsy-and-looking-for-other-reasons-to-help-people-suspect-RC is obvious)

[Ranmaru]

You say that all the time, RC.

[SensFan]

RC - You use the prefix 're' a ton for someone who hasn't read the game.

...Have I even said that once this game? Hint: No.

(obvious SensFanscum-getting-antsy-and-looking-for-other-reasons-to-help-people-suspect-RC is obvious)

I count 5 instances of you using the word re-read about yourself from skimming your iso on my phone. If I had access to tabbed browsing or ctrl-f, I'd quote them and/or give a more accurate count.

Stop lying, scumbag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ITT RC is very fail

[Ranmaru]

RC, explain.

[BrianMcQueso]

For posterity, ReaperCharlie uses the word "re-read" in the following posts:

#1
#2
#3
#4
#5
#6 (three times)
#7

I don't see the point of making this argument against RC, but I also don't see the point of RC needing to lie to defend it. Especially when it's so damn easy to verify otherwise.

Wow IS is just asking for it tonight. Spread your cheeks wide broski.

Riddle me this: How is a vigilante that kills players they hate (rather than players likely to be scum) better for the town than say, a serial killer on the loose?

If you are killing pro-town players, you reduce the town's chances of winning.

Now I'm not saying IS is confirmed town by any stretch of logic, but ABR, if you really want to prove to me how good a scum hunter you are and want me to listen to what you have to say, give the town a scum corpse to wake up to tomorrow morning.

Or don't kill at all. That works for me as well.

It has occurred to me (far too late) that nothing I can say or do will convince Battousai that RC is a good lynch for today. It's silly for me to even try. On a related note, I'm not a fan of this hydra technology.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't understand what makes you think IS is town, at all. I attacked IS long before he started talking crack about me.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, I thought you meant me saying stuff like:

Re: Yos acting scummy, I think…
Re: Sensfan being a douche, it's obvious that…

etc.

Brain fart. w/e

[ReaperCharlie]

ITT RC is very fail

/backhands ABR

[BrianMcQueso]

I don't understand what makes you think IS is scum. I mean, your arguments against him have been so damn compelling:

IS calls bullshit on ABR's "Vezok scum slipped", who by the way wasn't scum after all.

ABR agrees with IS about Surye

"Internet Stranger. Scummy as all hell." No further explanation.

"Vote: Internet Stranger" No further explanation.

I'm willing to listen to reasons why you'd justify putting a bullet in InternetStranger. Is it just OMGUS? If there are other reasons, I might have missed them, but please show me the light.

[ReaperCharlie]

ABR: Plz 2 be shooting Internet Stranger, and then when he flips scum, we can lynch SensFan.

And then, me and you can form an alliance tomorrow, assuming we are not both dead tonight.

[Porochaz]

Look hes posting more than anyone else atm with no further news beyond empty promises to read the thread. Im done until he is lynched.