Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[Amrun]

I enjoyed playing with most of you, particularly MBL, who absolutely nailed me right before we lynched him. -.-

[mozamis]

woohoo! go town! and one of my very few successful scum reads was amrun, tho i know i can't prove that.
cool game

[mozamis]

respect to implosion tho thought he was town all game.

[petroleumjelly]

Hurruhz! And hrm, maybe lynching MrBuddyLee is a

good

thing...

[Oman]

Things I think were stupid: the neighbours must be "one and one" argument.

Things I think were awesome: Meran.

Things I was pretty sure were scum from the moment I lived through the night two before I died: Amrun, bella.

Not actually rereading Bella stopped me from sending the lynch her way, which is lucky, more than anything. This game highlighted how far out of meta I am these days. Well played all.

[Shanba]

Of course, you people end the game in the middle of the night my time. Indeed, Town has won, as Amrun was the last scumbag. From my modding notes, here's the setup:

Spoiler: roles

Golden Mantella: Welcome to frogs mafia 2, scotmany12! You are a Golden Mantella - a little yellow frog with a heart full of LOVE! You are a jack of all trades. Each night you can choose to inspect, kill, protect or roleblock another player. You may use each of these abilities only once. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. JOAT - scotmany12
Deer: Welcome to frogs mafia 2, implosion! You are the hart of darkness. You are a Godfather - you will turn up town to cop investigations. Your scumpartners are Amrun (messager) and kunkstar7 (goon). You win when you control a majority of remaining votes or noting can prevent you controlling them. Please confirm by PM. - implosion
Malabar Flying Frog: Welcome to frogs mafia 2, Magnetic! You are a Malabar Flying Frog, townie. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. - Magnetic
Adder: Townie Welcome to frogs mafia 2, Blenblen! You are an Adder. You have the power of adding - thusly, you are a vanilla townie. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. - Blenblen
Adder: Neighbour to redeyed frog Welcome to frogs mafia 2, Tuncali! You are an adder. At night, you may talk to your neighbour Meransiel, though you do not know whether your neighbour is town or not. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM.- Tuncali
Adder: Townie Welcome to frogs mafia 2, Mozamis! You're a sly serpent, a slippery snake - an adder! You are a townie. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. Mozamis
African Bullfrog: Welcome to frogs mafia 2, OhGodMyLife! You are an African Bullfrog. By the rules of froglogic, this gives you an extra vote! If you revote without unvoting, your vote will be counted again. If you simply unvote, both votes will be removed. If you specify a vote to be unvoted (e.g UNVOTE PATRICK), then only that vote will be removed. doublevoter. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. - OhGodMyLife
Unicorn: Welcome to frogs mafia 2, petroleumjelly! You are a unicorn. People seriously underestimate unicorns. Imagine you came face to face with something that was not only the size of a frigging horse, but also had a huge arse horn and magical powers. It's only your wishy-washy niceness keeping us all from dying. Hence, you're a 1-shot dayvig (modnote - horn is poisoned.) You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. - petroleumjelly
THE GREAT DRAGON-FROG OF UR: Townie. Welcome to frogs mafia 2, ender241! THE GREAT DRAGON FROG OF UR DESCENDS FROM THE HEAVENS. HE IS WRATHFUL! HE WILL SMITE THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE HEGEMONY OF FROGS. HE IS YOU. HE IS A TOWNIE. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. - ender241
Tadpole: Tracker Welcome to frogs mafia 2, Truant! You are a Tadpole! Bloop. Bloop. Bloop. You are a tracker - send me the name of one person each night and I will tell you who that person targeted. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM. - Truant
Unicorn: Welcome to frogs mafia 2, kunkstar! You are a UUUUUUnicorn! WIth a big fat horn! You are a part of the mafia - together with your partners in crime, you seek to corrupt the forest. Scum with Amrun (messager) and implosion (Godfather). You win when you control a majority of remaining votes or noting can prevent you controlling them. Please confirm by PM. - kunkstar7
Red-Eyed Tree frog: neighbour to adder - Welcome to frogs mafia2, Meransiel! You are a Red-eyed tree frog. The bestest frog. You may talk at tnight to your neighbour, Tuncali! You do not know his alignment. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated. Please confirm by PM.
Panamanian Golden Frog: "You're going extinct, or possibly already are in the wild. This has turned your heart against the benevolent GREAT GOD OF FROG and hence you are now working with those who wish to destroy all frogs. Furthermore, you can communicate by semaphore - this means you can send messages at any time to any player - but ONLY BY SENDING ME A PM WITH THE INTENDED RECIPIENTS NAME ATTACHED. Simply talking to them directly will be treated as out of game communication. Messages may or may not be forwarded instantly. You win when you control a majority of remaining votes or noting can prevent you controlling them. Scum with implosion (godfather) and kunkstar7 (goon) - Amrun

As to the intent of the setup, the purpose, as with frogs mafia 1, was to break the meta, the traditional "oh x means y" which leads to people making assumptions and hence breaking setups. I'm not a fan of player vs mod - I'd much rather have player vs player. Also sprinkled in a number of roles of which I am simply a huge fan and believe are underused - dayvig, tracker, joat are all examples of roles I really like for various reasons I won't get into here. I don't think the setup was as elegant and well-designed as frogs mafia 1, but I think it was probably better balanced over all. I have a bad habit of balancing games in favour of scum - here I think I may have overcompensated, though. The setup was light on townies because of all the weak power roles, which was an aspect I didn't like much - and indeed, I made a last minute change removing a weak power role for a townie.

The replacements were a bother. I dunno what it is - all the games I mod seem to have endless streams of site flakers.

I'm sorry for delays and lateness with the vote counts. Originally the plan was for one every 24/48 hours, but then the exam period hit (which also involved a fair bit of travel).

[Meransiel]

Quicktopics, nao.

[mozamis]

so what is the idea behind Amrun's role? She could send anonymous messages to people -is the idea to sow confusion or find out roles or what? Just wondering

[Meransiel]

I made it obvious a couple pages ago.

PARTIAL DAYTALK WITH SCUMBUDDIES

[Amrun]

I enjoyed the setup, Shanba. Thanks for modding.

[MrBuddyLee]

Scum, would you play differently if you had to do it over? What do you feel was your undoing?

[Amrun]

I'd have fakeclaimed Friendly neighbor like I wanted to to begin with. if I had just done that, I think I could have been victorious in LyLo.

Also I'd have done a bit more distancing with implosion.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Good set-up. Good play all round. Sorry for lynching you, MBL.

[implosion]

The replacements were a bother. I dunno what it is - all the games I mod seem to have endless streams of site flakers.

QFT. Day one must have seriously sucked as a mod... but replacements were found, so good job.

I had fun this game. Amrun is probably right that we should have distanced more before the day when one of us was probably going to be lynched. I also think if we hadn't sent kunk to do the n1 kill, things would have turned out completely differently. Almost everyone thought he was town until CES tracked him.

Also, I was almost sure that this was godfather without a cop until scot flipped JOAT, and then it all made sense...

Oh, and CES: great bah post.

[Wickedestjr]

Yay! Gg town.

I wish I could've participated more in this game, because this looked like a good playerlist (and because it took me a long time to read the whole thread ). However, my reads were really bad and I think all of the scum played pretty well.

Regarding the setup, I think it was pretty well balanced. However, I think town may have been a little bit too strong and day 1 was too long imo (this may have resulted in the inactivity later in the game).

Also, @Scum - Why did you kill me?

Thanks for letting me replace in, Shanba!

[implosion]

Also, @Scum - Why did you kill me?

kunk told us to, pretty much.

[Amrun]

Kunk said you were a strong player and didn't want a new replacement taking the town off the course we'd set for them.

CES fucked it all up anyway, though. Ha.

[kunkstar7]

Also, @Scum - Why did you kill me?

kunk told us to, pretty much.

About sums it up. Most of the stronger players already in were off course enough to not pose much of a threat, and the only reason that I think the Day 2 didn't end in a mislynch was CES's tracking. I didn't want you coming in and screwing over a pretty decent situation by reading myself correctly or giving a new perspective to the game that would invalidate some mislynch.

[Meransiel]

So you doing a 3rd, Shamb?

[Shanba]

so what is the idea behind Amrun's role? She could send anonymous messages to people -is the idea to sow confusion or find out roles or what? Just wondering

The best thing about the role was its open-endedness. I think if you gave it to four different people, they'd probably play it in four different ways.

As for a third, I'm not sure yet. I think the concept is played out, and I no longer have the driving urge I did when I ran the first one to skewer the common stupid setup one of ONE INFO ROLE ONE PROTECTIVE ROLE ONE KILLING ROLE - that meta is dying or dead. I have some other ideas but they need some real work on the setup and maybe some more flavour written in advance and all the shiney knobs and bells and whistles worked out so I can focus exclusively on the game itself - this game was too rushed in its preparation and that impacted the mechanical aspects of the modding.

[Meransiel]

So no quicktopics?

[Amrun]

Implo or kunk can post it, but I'm on my phone.

There's also your neighbor qt.

[Shanba]

I didnt make quicktopics. I mean, I don't honestly mind how people communicate at night if they have the option to. I've known scumgroups who speak exclusively over chat programs.

There was also no dead quicktopic - that was an oversight, I like dead quicktopics and it would have been good to provide a forum for dead people to discuss the game.

[Meransiel]

@Amrun: Me and Bella didn't speak almost at all.

[implosion]

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/qKU2GXEQmNuT
I made it. There's some semi-interesting stuff. Nothing really major.