Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[ReaperCharlie]

More votes on SensFan. Watch how cool it is when he flips scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hypocricy is irrelevant, Khan.

[Kublai Khan]

Hypocricy is irrelevant, Khan.

I disagree. It reveals connections.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

How does the fact that they're still capable of scumhunting despite committing certain types of scummy behaviour show connections? Double standards tell us something, but judging your own behaviour differently is only natural if the goal is to determine alignment. Hypocrisy is the non-connection-revealing member of the double standards family.

[Internet Stranger]

Like Albert and Charlie. Albert is being hypocritical. Are you saying that you want to be part of their little camp, Cogito?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Lynch TF, vig ®_© > lynch ®_©, vig TF.

Random thought: creampuffeater and vezok both work as vig kills, so cult is more likely than usual.

[Patrick]

Vote Count #16:

Toon Fighter (6) - (LlamaFluff, Cogito Ergo Sum, Kublai Khan, Albert B. Rampage, Ranmaru, Kison)
ReaperCharlie (4) - (BrianMcQueso, SensFan, Internet Stranger, Furcolow)
Albert B. Rampage (3) - (Zindaras, Medicated Lain, Toon Fighter)
SensFan (2) - (ReaperCharlie, HezLucky)
Ranmaru (2) - (Nobody Special, Primate)
Porochaz (1) - (MrBuddyLee)
Kison (1) - (Yosarian2)
DeathNote (1) - (Porochaz)

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Based on MoS's previous votecount, point out any mistakes. Doing a sweep now and prodding everyone in range.

[Yosarian2]

Not liking Yossy's defense of Albert in my earlier discussion with him. Reeked of making excuses for him. Undecided if it's a townie with a heavy town-read on someone or just defending a buddy or even a scummy townie for the brownie points.

:eyebrow:

If you don't agree with my logic, you could say so. It's really disturbing you apparently can't disagree with my logic, or else I'm sure you would have, but you want to attack for making the point anyway.

You were attacking him with weak arguments for an action that has fairly obvious pro-town motives. And when I point that out, all you can say is I'm "making excuses for him"?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Zindaras is scum.

[Ranmaru]

Can you explain why?

[Battousai]

IS 1237/8- Sorry, but your recent posts have really been you calling ABR scum due to his connection to RC, thus RC fliping scum would cement ABR being scum. You obviously have other reasons for voting RC, but I was pointing out that your motivation recently seems to get ABR lynched through his connection to RC.

SensFan- You voted furcolow up until the end of the day. Do you no longer find furcolow scummy? How is this slot scummier than furcolow?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you explain why?

All he has done is vote for Surye, buddy with ML, then misrep me and Yosarian, in that order. His arguments are all bullshitaake.

[Primate]

@Kison. I don’t normally explain my votes unless asked. I actually had an alt a few years back that didn’t even explain votes even if asked. Sometimes I will, if it’s a controversial vote or I really want support, but I don’t make a habit of it.

That said I do try and make my opinions on people known generally in the fashion I was doing earlier this game so which I wasn’t doing at that point I voted, so it’s fair enough you object there.

My vote on Suyre was primarily because I didn’t really want to try and start another wagon at that point, as well as the fact that I didn’t feel like my reads on a lot of people were up to date enough to do a full review of the game, so I picked the subset of people who were under suspicion and just concentrated on trying to get a good read on them.

Out of the people who had any support for their lynch it was pretty I felt Suyre was the worst. His #96 rubbed me the wrong way, because though I thought it was accurate on the relevance of the wagon, I felt that it was a premature write off of the day. I also felt that his annoyance at Vezok claiming seemed insincere. I felt he was trying to show an attitude of being involved in other wagons whilst actually having no interest in them. I disliked his general attitude towards talking about vezok a lot and I thought he was trying to simplify the game by focusing on the pros and the cons of lynching Vezok and framing that as the big argument even after it wasn't anymore. I didn't like his vote on Furc and I think voting for self-voting like he did is scummy because I thought it was a scummyness argument phrased as a policy argument, which felt weasely. The way he dropped the

In reterospect there are a couple of things I should have caught at the time but didn't that indicate town, but can't dwell too much on that.

Anyway Dr Whos on so I'll post this and address why I voted Gummybear and probably move my vote after that's finished. I think too many people are town at the minute.

[SensFan]

IS 1237/8- Sorry, but your recent posts have really been you calling ABR scum due to his connection to RC, thus RC fliping scum would cement ABR being scum. You obviously have other reasons for voting RC, but I was pointing out that your motivation recently seems to get ABR lynched through his connection to RC.

SensFan- You voted furcolow up until the end of the day. Do you no longer find furcolow scummy? How is this slot scummier than furcolow?

1) Furc stopped active lurking when called on it
2) RC still hasn't shown me any reason to believe he's read a single post after page 4
3) RC decided to wimp out and Phone a Friend, rather than defend himself
4) You claimed that you were talking about the game with RC and posting in the thread while you had not received a role, and so weren't a player in the game; I don't think either of you would be dumb enough to think that's a good idea by any stretch of the imagination

I've already answered that exact question, by the way. Is there some clause in your Scum PM that stops anyone in your slot from reading the damn game?

[Battousai]

1) So, he got caught out doing something scummy and corrects it. Is that any more scummy than someone who is called out for doing something scummy and then continuing to do it (did the whole scum wouldn't do that WIFOM or RC's playstyle come into question?) Does that negate the fact he did it in the first place?
2-3) Fair enough.
4) I was talking to RC in a QT. I recieved alignment, which is enough to throw out scumtells if I were scum therefore I posted. I didn't know if I had any PRs, but I don't think that is really important here. 4) is just you trying to supplement your vote by using BS reasoning (even if you thought I wouldn't do that, how in the hell is that any indication of alignment. You got 3 heads, use 'em).

Also, no, there is no clause in my role pm that states I can't ask you a question you already answered. Because, you know, I wanted an answer and you could have changed your mind with my recent posting since your case is basically RC is actively lurking (therefore by me posting the slot becomes useful).

[Ranmaru]

Batt, has RC explained to you why he hammered Surye?

[Battousai]

Because he wanted him lynched?

But seriously, we haven't talked much except reads. Though to be honest, if there was some reason behind it you don't know about, he would have told you already or he wouldn't want me to tell you.

[Ranmaru]

Ha, funny. Yeah I meant what his reason was, why he suspected him.

Of course I'm going to assume he had a scumread on him, right?

[SensFan]

I don't believe for a second that either of you would have a conversation about the game, but that he wod tell you his alignment and not just add on the actual role. Please give me a single circumstance where it makes sense for him to tell you the alignment of the slot but not spend an extra 5 seconds just telling you the full role.

[Ranmaru]

I agree with Sensfan. If he only told you alignment, I'd assume he was too busy to talk about the game.

[Ranmaru]

EBWOP: *And the full role.

[SensFan]

Please give me a single circumstance where it makes sense for him to tell you the alignment of the slot but not spend an extra 5 seconds just telling you the full role.

Hint: They all end with "he wanted me to give my thoughts before I knew who my scumbuddies were".

[Kison]

Also hypocritical is your stance on lurkers. You called Bamboomancer (my predecessor) scum for lurking and not providing content, but you're defending ReaperCharlie to the hilt.

Lurking and lack of content was not the issue with Bamboomancer. Given time, it was fairly obvious he had flaked. The issue I took was his second post, which commented on many things and took no firm stand on anything.

You're the only one that has complained about it. Plus you've made two posts complaining about my lack of reads which is hypocritical considering how close you're keeping your cards to your chest as well.

Lack of reads has never been an issue.

Now that you have had an opportunity to witness reactions, feel free to point out what makes him read as scum to you.

[Battousai]

SensFan- You are frustrating... I'm going to ask the mod about this since you keep trying to drudge of out of game private hydra discussion, which is typically kept out. I started posting early since I was frustrated that I can't and still cannot post in the hydra. The whole "post without knowing scumpartner" angle you are bitching about is fucking cheating. Unlike you, I never cheat in these games, so you should stfu. I'm trying my fucking best to keep that whole angle of discussion ambigouous of alignment so that no one can claim that it must make the slot confirmed one way or another.

[SensFan]

Lol. Busted. You say that you would consider it cheating to post without knowing your scumpartner, but earlier you claimed that you posted without even knowing your damn role.