Large Normal 132: Desert Mafia (Over!)

[Slaxx]

IHSIB - vote RisingPhoenix.

No.

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Vote Count

• Ranmaru: 5 (RisingPhoenix, Skyquiem, Slaxx, Mana_Ku, inHimshallibe) L-3
  
  Reck: 2 (Kublai Khan, Scott Brosius) L-6
  Skyquiem: 2 (Ranmaru) L-6
  Kublai Kahn: 2 (mastin2) L-7
  Scott Brosius: 1 (DeityKabuto) L-7
  RisingPhoenix: 2 (Reck, Hiraki) L-6
  
  
  Not Voting: 2 (Silver1337) L-7

With 14 players, it takes

8

to lynch.

Deadline countdown timer:

(expired on 2011-06-17 18:39:00)

[mastin2]

My, my, I could've

sworn

there was only seventeen pages last night...

Skimmed them all a while ago, but likely need to reread.

Spoiler: Why My Vote Is Not On Ranmaru

1: Strength. Of my scumteam, Ranmaru's currently my weakest read. Granted, that's mainly because I haven't looked into Ranmaru enough, but at the moment, Ranmaru's too weak for me to switch over.
2: Bandwagon.
A: Ranmaru has enough support without me to achieve a lynch. No point in me putting my name there.
B: I'm always a bit paranoid when it comes to large wagons. Granted, this feels like a natural wagon which has built with time (AKA, a wagon most likely on scum) rather than a sudden wagon most likely on town, but it still warrants caution. In this case, me reviewing my reads, double-, and then triple-checking the situation, looking at Ranmaru and the people voting him.
3: Principle. My vote remaining on Khan is a statement from me saying, "I think Ranmaru is scum, but I'm SO sure Khan's scum that I'm still on him, instead!" (See 2A for why I don't see this as an issue. I'm not needed on the Ranmaru lynch.)

'Course, all of these reasons are evident of one thing: I need to effing reread the thread, get started on my scumteam case, and reboot the Khan case in particular.

[inHimshallibe]

Attention all players.
I am confident in my read on RisingPhoenix. RisingPhoenix has done nothing but tunnel all day long on Ranmaru.
I propose one the following:
#1) We lynch RisingPhoenix. If he flips town, powerlynch me tomorrow for my transgressions.
#2) We lynch Ranmaru. If he flips town, powerlynch RisingPhoenix tomorrow for his transgressions. If RisingPhoenix flips town D2, vig me N2.

This is something I'm sure of... something I need to happen. I threw everyone off by actually being Reck instead of winger, now let me make it up to you by lynching us a scumbag.

This is crap rhetoric and you know it.

When we lynch RisingPhoenix and if he comes back scum, what next hambone?

[inHimshallibe]

I plan on both Ranmaru and RisingPhoenix dying, thank you very much.

[inHimshallibe]

Slaxx, are you opposed to lynching RisingPhoenix on the whole?

[Ranmaru]

Reads:

Town:

Khan, Phoenix

Slight town:

Hiraki

Newb town:

Silver, Scott Brosius, Deity Kabutops

Null:

InHim (warranted), Mastin, Gorilla

Newb null leaning scum:

[winger]

Scum:

Sky, Mana Ku, Slaxx

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1. inHimshallibe - Need more content. Can't wait! : D
2. [winger] - Timid, doesn't know when to lay down a vote. Null leaning scum, but willing to reconsider this read. Need more content as well.
3. DeityKabuto - Sadly, he claimed pre-maturely. Yet he commits weird acts, they seem to line up with his D1 claim. Good thing he is voting and not coasting/being lazy. : P
4. Kublai Khan - I don't see scumminess and Mastin must be out of his mind. : P I like Khan's posts and I see content, nothing scummy. Seems pro-town to me.

6. mastin2 - Null. I find it odd he says he is here to stop myslynches, but this can be null because then as scum he could be stopping scum lynches. Also, he seems to put people that disagree with him as scum, or who ever his scum reads attack as town.
7. Silver1337 - Newb town. His early vote screams of "I DON'T WANT TO DIE" and also "I'm INNOCENT I TELL YA!"
8. Skyquiem - Scum. I don't like how he doesn't really explain how my play here is different than my other completed games on-site and off-site. I do the same thing in other games, so I am confused as to how Sky came to that conclusion. Don't understand his scum stance on Scott either.
9. RisingPhoenix - Town, I like his contributions (earlier on) and his legit push towards me.
10. gorilla - Useless. Just wagon fodder, and he's null to me.
11. Slaxx Reya Cookiebringer - I don't like his reasoning for his vote on me. Just for questions? Explain how that makes me scum. Don't like how he is already having a town read on mastin solely because of meta.
12. Hiraki - I found him a bit anti-town, but I did like his reasoning for pressuring Scott. Still, it's ironic that I say Hiraki is a bit anti-town and yet have him as slight town.
13. Scott Brosius - Doesn't seem scummy at ALL. He seems to be an easy lynch, and was a bit anti-town. Haven't seen him place a vote after Sky revealed his head 2.
14. Mana_Ku - Hasn't really placed a vote, and hasn't really addressed that much people. I don't care how long Mana was here, I want to see some more scum hunting. Scum
15. Ranmaru - He's a cool guy.

I voted Sky shortly there after.

@Sky:

1. But I didn't notice he explained it. He could have reacted differently. That wasn't the only reason.
2. It is irrelevant. My reason for voting is above.

[Slaxx]

"A: Ranmaru has enough support without me to achieve a lynch. No point in me putting my name there."

Obviously not.

[inHimshallibe]

Mastin, just vote Ranmaru. If he's on your hypothetical scumteam, you're playing against your wincon.

[Slaxx]

Slaxx, are you opposed to lynching RisingPhoenix on the whole?

With a Ran town flip, I would look into him. But a Ran town flip won't happen.

[Ranmaru]

My, my, I could've

sworn

there was only seventeen pages last night...

Skimmed them all a while ago, but likely need to reread.

1: Strength. Of my scumteam, Ranmaru's currently my weakest read. Granted, that's mainly because I haven't looked into Ranmaru enough, but at the moment, Ranmaru's too weak for me to switch over.
2: Bandwagon.
A: Ranmaru has enough support without me to achieve a lynch.

No point in me putting my name there

.
B: I'm always a bit paranoid when it comes to large wagons. Granted, this feels like a natural wagon which has built with time (AKA, a wagon most likely on scum) rather than a sudden wagon most likely on town, but it still warrants caution. In this case, me reviewing my reads, double-, and then triple-checking the situation, looking at Ranmaru and the people voting him.
3: Principle. My vote remaining on Khan is a statement from me saying, "I think Ranmaru is scum, but I'm SO sure Khan's scum that I'm still on him, instead!" (See 2A for why I don't see this as an issue. I'm not needed on the Ranmaru lynch.)

'Course, all of these reasons are evident of one thing: I need to effing reread the thread, get started on my scumteam case, and reboot the Khan case in particular.

Or rather, you don't want to make a connection to me.

[mastin2]

Also, Reck's right about one thing.

I have in my reads, that Ranmaru and Phoenix are mutually exclusive alignments. As in, if one flips town, we speedlynch the other now-confirmed-scum.

I happen to disagree with which of them is scum, of course, but he's right, in that they're not both town.

[Slaxx]

Also, look how hard we are trying to fight to get the last few votes on this wagon. This is a fucking scum wagon.

[inHimshallibe]

Scott and Mana_Ku seem likely Town imo. Slaxx too.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, just vote Ranmaru. If he's on your hypothetical scumteam, you're playing against your wincon.

Not really. He's voting his top scumspect.

[inHimshallibe]

Also, Reck's right about one thing.

I have in my reads, that Ranmaru and Phoenix are mutually exclusive alignments. As in, if one flips town, we speedlynch the other now-confirmed-scum.

I happen to disagree with which of them is scum, of course, but he's right, in that they're not both town.

How the fuck anyone can ever say this in a game is beyond me.

If one flips scum, fine I can concede you might have enough proof to warrant another being town. The converse though seems shittastic.

[inHimshallibe]

Mastin, just vote Ranmaru. If he's on your hypothetical scumteam, you're playing against your wincon.

Not really. He's voting his top scumspect.

Have fun in the Dead QT.

[Ranmaru]

Ok guys. Question time, all of you.

On my town flip, who is scum?
On my scum flip, who is scum?

Give three persons and why.

[mastin2]

Or rather, you don't want to make a connection to me.

The connection's already there. The only way the connection would be hidden is by doing VCA, and not noticing my name on you. Which is a horrible way to do VCA. (That is, not accounting for other suspicions which aren't votes.) If that makes sense.

Mastin, just vote Ranmaru. If he's on your hypothetical scumteam, you're playing against your wincon.

Thing is, I'm not confident enough in Ranmaru being scum. I think he is. But compared to Khan--who's ~80%--he's, like, 45%. (Keep in mind, if we assume four scum, it starts as 26.infinitesixes%. Not at 50% like some people's systems do.)

Hence the reread required.

[Ranmaru]

Mastin, answer the question.

[mastin2]

On my town flip, who is scum?

Not positive. (Hence, the re-read. How many times do I have to say that before you guys stop posting twenty times? ) I did have a {Khan, Slaxx, Scott, Phoenix} scumteam as possible before, but later found something suggesing that team was inaccurate. (Can't recall what, off the top of my head. It's buried in my notes.) If you flipped town, I'd take a serious look at those names again.

[Skyquiem]

But I didn't notice he explained it. He could have reacted differently. That wasn't the only reason.

This just reads as you attempting to put all possible excuses in one answer. What does it matter if you didn't notice if he had explained it or not before, I provided you with information that had already existed, that's a fact therefore how is providing a fact a scum-tell.

Skyquiem - Scum. I don't like how he doesn't really explain how my play here is different than my other completed games on-site and off-site. I do the same thing in other games, so I am confused as to how Sky came to that conclusion. Don't understand his scum stance on Scott either.

It is irrelevant. My reason for voting is above.

1. My reasoning for suspecting Scott was explained in my ISO #5, #7, #8 and #15 so to state that you don't understand our stance on him is complete bullshit.
2. As explained in ISO #25 your play this game is entire fluff lacking anaylyitical play that you're capable of such as in #1, #18 and #37 from your Newbie game.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, Reck's right about one thing.

I have in my reads, that Ranmaru and Phoenix are mutually exclusive alignments. As in, if one flips town, we speedlynch the other now-confirmed-scum.

I happen to disagree with which of them is scum, of course, but he's right, in that they're not both town.

So if we lynch Ranmaru today, you'll support a Phoenix lynch tomorrow?
Phoenix is fucking scum. I don't know about Ranmaru, couldn't care less, but Phoenix is scum.

[mastin2]

(And, yes. This does mean that regardless of Ranmaru's flip, I'd still think Khan and Slaxx to be scum. Khan's obvious to me, so much so that he'll be in a separate case from the other three. Slaxx is simple process of elimination between certain pairings, and I determined that Slaxx as scum was the only thing which makes sense.

Will be elaborating in my case as to why, of course.)

[Slaxx]

/facepalm

how about outting your thought process on that so I can defend myself

Hint: you're wrong, so it won't be too hard.

[inHimshallibe]

I'll speedlynch the other of {RisingPhoenix, Ranmaru} tomorrow imo.

Don't fuck up and investigate them.