Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[Ranmaru]

I read the whole thread in order, yess.

[SensFan]

Still waiting for something of value from RC. And by RC, I specifically mean RC; I don't care how much his slot comes out with, I'm not moving my vote until he personally stops active lurking and gives his own personal analysis that he's been promising since he replaced in.
For those curious about such things, RC has 43 posts on-site since the MoS post announcing the hydra, 23 of which are in threads other than Mafia games. Doesn't strike me as someone who is unable to play a slot on his own.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES:
#492: Why you answer someone else’s question broski? Defense?
#638: Wait hold on, did you ever say that Vezo should die tho? Did you vote him?

Re: 452, that doesn't count as answering someone else's question by a long shot. I'd be interested to know how exactly you imagine I was defending vezok by saying "Hint: I'm town."
Re: 638, I didn't. I fail to see the problem.

[Ranmaru]

@Sensfan: Does RC do that consistently, or has this only happened in this game? Also, who are your current scumreads?

@CES: Ok, got ya. It's more like, you were trying to influence his answer. You didn't have to post that. Why did you post that?
Oh ok. Why did you think Furc should have died? What was scummy about him?

[Ranmaru]

My win condition says I win if all the threats to the town are dead.

That's not what mine says.

Vote: Vezok

Also by the way, I want to discuss the win con argument. Since Vezo came up town, it means he legit missed the win con. Scum would most likely be attracted to this. Town too, because some people may have been a bit worried as to why Vezo said that. What do you think of the argument? What do you think of the people who pushed with the win con slip up in mind?

[Ranmaru]

Albert attacks Vezo for the wincon slip. So does Amrun. Surye called him a bad player for that. Porochaz defended him by asking people to give him a chance. (Personally this could be helpful but game content wise it is null). Yosarian doesn’t really comment on it but it could be likely that he was busy arguing with Lain. Toon Fighter subtracts town points from Vezo for the slip up. Agar too busy defending Vezo to notice it too. IS does seem to notice the push on Vezo and doesn’t really seem to think nothing of the Win con slip up. (Oh, nvm, he does notice later)

I'd say that I don't like Alberts, Poro's, and TF's take on the slip.

Lain's 463 piece about Vezo's win con slip seems legit to me. I don't remember much else talk about this, I only picked the reactions to it that stood out.

Oh right. Vezo happens to mention the standard boilerplate town victory condition in a theme game and now he is scum incarnate. You all cant keep calling him stupid but then vote for him over some dastardly scumslip. If he is as stupid as you all say, then he clearly didnt bother reading the first post or his PM thoroughly.

If he is scum, lynch him because he is scum, not because he is an idiot. Im inclined to believe him for now because he wont last to the end of the game anyways. Despite that, I would still be ok with getting rid of him, but I like my suggestions (Surye and Kison) better.

What are your thoughts on the Win con push?

[Ranmaru]

EBWOP: What are your thoughts on the Win con push *considering it was an honest mistake upon Vezo's town flip?

[Internet Stranger]

I have re-checked Toon Fighter and I dont see anything so outlandish that I can use to brandish him as scum. Im still poking and prodding looking for any new leads as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't really believe the slip to be anything solid, but I wanted to lynch vezok no matter what, and I wasn't going to say that outright because people are pussies that are afraid of policy lynching.

[Internet Stranger]

I disagree with policy lynching, so we should lynch people that suggest policy lynching.

[Ranmaru]

I wouldn't agree with PL's but I wouldn't lynch solely on that, I'd try to look into those particular person's further and see if their motives line up.

[ReaperCharlie]

Still waiting for something of value from RC. And by RC, I specifically mean RC; I don't care how much his slot comes out with, I'm not moving my vote until he personally stops active lurking and gives his own personal analysis that he's been promising since he replaced in.
For those curious about such things, RC has 43 posts on-site since the MoS post announcing the hydra, 23 of which are in threads other than Mafia games. Doesn't strike me as someone who is unable to play a slot on his own.

Nice cop-out vote: Voting a lurker until he stops lurking.


Yeaaahhhh SensFan is scum.

[Ranmaru]

Why you lurk bro?

[SensFan]

Still waiting for something of value from RC. And by RC, I specifically mean RC; I don't care how much his slot comes out with, I'm not moving my vote until he personally stops active lurking and gives his own personal analysis that he's been promising since he replaced in.
For those curious about such things, RC has 43 posts on-site since the MoS post announcing the hydra, 23 of which are in threads other than Mafia games. Doesn't strike me as someone who is unable to play a slot on his own.

Nice cop-out vote: Voting a lurker until he stops lurking.


Yeaaahhhh SensFan is scum.

Nice cop-out: Not explaining how you racked up 43 posts in 26 hours after claiming you are too busy to play in a game by yourself and need a backup to come bail you out.

Besides, I lynch lurkers on principle; nothing interesting to see there.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

®_© would make a good vig target.

[Yosarian2]

Kison is still basically actively lurking. He had one post with some content and a vote 3 days ago, but that's really all he's done for all of day 2.

Hi. Active lurker checking right in.

What do you think about Primate?

I want to hear more from him, he hasn't said much today, but his day 1 posting generally gives me a decent vibe. He's a hard guy to read, in general, and he has a bad habit of lurking for periods no matter what his alignment is, but I don't see anything especally scummy about his posts.

What do you think about, like, everyone or anyone else other then Primate?

[Yosarian2]

#142: Why do you always say “Better than random lynch” or “Better of a random lynch”

Well, on day 1, you usually start with a random vote, then you move your vote to someone else when you think they're a better then random lynch for whatever reason. A random lynch is better then a no-lynch, and at an absolute minimum, you want to find a bandwagon that's better then random for day 1, and then hopefully improve on your reads from there.

#182: How do you suggest people avoid debates that can become counter-productive? Meaning, how can we prevent from people taking sides that doesn’t help with basing alignment?

I was just saying that just because someone disagrees with you on a game stratagy or tactics issue, you shouldn't assume that they're scum because of it. You can usually tell what someone's motives are based on how they argue or what their thought process is, and that's a better indicator of alingmnet then just "do they agree with me or not"

#342: Yeah I don’t mind that, actually. (The aggroing) How has your read progressed with him, pairing with his in-game actions and not just his meta?

Most of his in-game actions so far feel to me like IS is honestly trying to find and lynch scum, so I'm leaning towards him being pro-town.

#355: You mean pre-maturely? I can agree with that, but I wouldn’t agree with claiming something else that they are not. Sorry it’s just I always see people saying town shouldn’t claim vanilla, but I guess they omit the obv that they shouldn’t claim a pr because it’s anti-town.

I clarified this later. People who are vanilla town should never lie, but they shouldn't claim either. Refusing to claim is actually a more pro-town option then claiming for a vanilla townie in most situations.

[Battousai]

I will refrain from posting (besides this post, obv) to help with reading ISOs, until the hydra is up and I recieve a role PM. I will be reading the thread, though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Still waiting for something of value from RC. And by RC, I specifically mean RC; I don't care how much his slot comes out with, I'm not moving my vote until he personally stops active lurking and gives his own personal analysis that he's been promising since he replaced in.
For those curious about such things, RC has 43 posts on-site since the MoS post announcing the hydra, 23 of which are in threads other than Mafia games. Doesn't strike me as someone who is unable to play a slot on his own.

Nice cop-out vote: Voting a lurker until he stops lurking.


Yeaaahhhh SensFan is scum.

Nice cop-out: Not explaining how you racked up 43 posts in 26 hours after claiming you are too busy to play in a game by yourself and need a backup to come bail you out.

Besides, I lynch lurkers on principle; nothing interesting to see there.

Hurrr durrr.... if I was scum, I would either have replaced out, or would have taken care of the game myself. I wouldn't have created a hydra to fill my slot. Yes, that is WIFOM.



And YES, Lynch All Lurkers is a cop-out. Nice OMGUS claim of cop-out, you cop-outting cop-outer.

Now stop outing cops.

[SensFan]

You have 41 on-site posts in the last 24 hours, and 22 posts in this thread since replacing in. There isn't a shred of reasoning for why you have absolutely refused to give the slightest bit of anything useful, instead choosing to have a partner come in and bail your ass out while you continue to post without contributing.

On D2, I'll lynch a lurker like you over someone claiming Scum every time.

[Internet Stranger]

Charlie isnt the typical "lurker". Looks to me like he is trolling the thread and distracting the rest of us from doing any proper scumhunting.

What I find most shocking is that ABR doesnt have an issue with Charlie.

[LlamaFluff]

I can give RC/Batt an old hydra account I used if they want that.

This game just needs a wagon at this point or its going to apathy itself to death, I think TF is a decent scum pick wagon and a good informational one.

[BrianMcQueso]

I agree, the deadline is a week and a half away and we're not really getting anywhere. I am still happy with my RC vote, and he just seems to be rubbing his uselessness in our face now. SensFan's and InternetStranger's latest posts (see above) I completely agree with. If RC is town, he's hurting the town. If he's scum, he's getting away with ridiculous lurking in plain sight.

[Ranmaru]

I can give RC/Batt an old hydra account I used if they want that.

This game just needs a wagon at this point or its going to apathy itself to death, I think TF is a decent scum pick wagon and a good informational one.

You are right. Don't we have enough to have competing wagons between RC and TF?

Toon Fighter (3) - (LlamaFluff, Cogito Ergo Sum, Kublai Khan)
ReaperCharlie (3) - (BrianMcQueso, SensFan, Porochaz)
Albert B. Rampage (3) - (Zindaras, Medicated Lain, Toon Fighter)
SensFan (2) - (ReaperCharlie, HezLucky)
Ranmaru (2) - (AGar, Primate)
Porochaz (1) - (MrBuddyLee)
Kison (1) - (Yosarian2)
HezLucky (1) - (Furcolow)
Internet Stranger (1)- (Albert B. Rampage)
Primate (1) - (Kison)

First we need to move these stragglers into the larger wagons.

@Yosarian: You are voting Kison for lurking, correct? Why not vote RC since he is also lurking? If not, is your vote on Kison effective?
@MrBuddyLee: I agree with your stance on Poro, but how is it doing for you? Do you think you'll get him lynched ToDay? What are your thoughts on TF and RC?
@Furcolow: Why is your vote on Hez? How is it doing for you? What is your thoughts on TF and RC?
@Kison: Why you lurkin'? What are your thoughts on TF and RC? Would you vote either? How is your vote doing for you?
@Agar and Primate: Please re-state your reasoning for voting GB (now me). What do you feel about RC and TF? How is your vote doing for you?
@RC And Hez: Why are you two on Hez? Are your votes satisfying to you? Would you move to TF or RC?

[Ranmaru]

EBWOP: @RC And Hez: Why are you two on

SENZ

? Are your votes satisfying to you? Would you move to TF or RC?