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Post Post #1100 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 1:31 pm

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Additionally, due to his own limited activity problems, I am allowing ReaperCharlie to add Battousai as his hydra partner. This will be updated in the player list when they inform me of the account name for their hydra.

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Post Post #1101 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 1:40 pm

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(I don't want a to-do list so I'm just doing this now)

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Post 85. Yes, clearly it is OH SO SCUMMY to, when someone misunderstands my reasons for voting someone, stop scumhunting for a whole post while I clarify myself.


Strawman. If you had been scumhunting at all over the course of the entire game, then your post 85 would be fine. But you haven't. At all.

SensFan wrote:BZZT. "X is Town because he agrees with my reads; Y and Z are Scum because they disagree with me" is so wrong I'm probably wasting my time by bothering to include it here.


Yessir. Welcome to one of my very top scumtells. Yosarian2 uses something similar, and he happens to be in this game. Basically, if your scumreads make no sense to me, then you are not viewing teh game from teh same perspective that I am, and therefore have an extremely high probability of being scum. "Thinks ilke Hez" theory. It works too. I caught me some scum in you.

You can feel free to meta that one. I find it to be highly effective and it's ingrained in my personal playstyle, so good luck with that.

SensFan wrote:Post 294. This is the second time in the same post where you've taken a post of mine building on/clarifying my previous stance(s) (stances you've ignored completely in your IIoA PBPA) and then called me scummy for only clarifying things and not doing anything else.


No. You're wrong. This is not scumhunting. Post 85 was not scumhunting. NONE of your posts were scumhunting, at all. Period. I don't see how you can possibly even pretend to have an argument against this. You have not been scumhunting. At all. This entire game. And several of your posts are basically just fluff aka. "active lurking", which is far worse than actual lurking.

SensFan wrote: something about disagreeing with Hez's statement "Being on wagons is not scumhunting"


Being on wagons is NOT SCUMHUNTING. To be scumhunting, you need to have reasons for why you find someone scummy, as opposed to just hopping onto whatever looks like an easy lynch, which is what you have been doing. You've been on several BAD wagons this game, and at best, if we are lucky, you give a half-assed explanation for them. You are just looking for an easy lynch. That's not scumhunting. I'm looking to find scum. Are you? No. You're looking to lynch people.

SensFan wrote:Post 655. 21 posts of mine in between this one and the last one you selectively chose to call me an active lurker for. Don't worry, you didn't miss much in that span. Oh, except for the part where Poro and I both simultaneously completely create the case on Furc and start the wagon on him.


My stance on the Furc bandwagon is that it has been INCREDIBLY awful and riddled with OPPORTUNISM. Opportunism is NOT SCUMHUNTING. It is looking for a lynch so that it's not your ass that hangs. The case on Furcolow was not scumhunting, at all. It was absolutely awful opportunism. If you're trying to convince me your town, this is definitely not a post you should be focusing on.

SensFan wrote:Is this the part where I say you've done nothing all game but active lurk, based on this post alone? Or do I need to also only quote this post of yours and make it look like it's representative of all of your posts?


Nothing you have said here precludes me from being scum (though my flaky activity lately is consistent with other games, in case you'd like to meta). However, I am making the argument that YOU are scum. That's what you need to respond to. What post is it that you responded to? my "shameless pots to avoid prod"? That doesn't make someone scum. Sorry.

Personally, I think it would be absolutely pointless if I went post by post on your ISO and explained how you have not done a damn thing to help the town all game. But it's exactly that, pointless, and others can look at that for themselves and make a decision.

The response to the #818? It's something I had noted as I was reading the game. Once again, you are strawmanning here. Trying to pick apart what you perceive is a part of my argument that has nothing to do with why I think you are scum.

It's also why it was in brackets. Durr.

SensFan wrote:Part A) If you bothered to read any of my posts, you'd see the scumhunting for yourself. Part B) As earlier, you called me Scum earlier for both active lurking and being the leading vote on both of the major wagons of the time. That literally does not compute.


No sir. I still do not see any scumhunting whatsoever. STILL. After all my post suspecting you. You have done NOTHING. As for B) THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THINGS. Placing a vote is not scumhunting. Placing a vote is not being active. Placing a vote is just placing a vote. This is not an argument at all.

I did not catch the computer thing, but my statement applies to you over the course of this entire game. You have not been scumhunting AT ALL. My case has not been swayed.

A lot of what you have said is either an attempt to paint me in a bad picture, or a misinterpretation on your part. Frankly, despite thinking that you are scum, I actually think it's the second. Things like the brackets, the "avoiding a prod" post, etc. could be scum stretching an argument, or could be an honest misinterpretation. I won't hold that against you. Not that I need to, as I have more than enough.

Ultimately, your case is quite ridiculous. I am retroactively giving McQueso +5 for being "swayed" by something so BAD. I remember playing with him FIVE YEARS AGO and so know that BrianMcQueso is an experienced player, and so I can't possibly see him finding your argument being anything that isn't even remotely crap.
(unless he's jealous of Tri-Cities Mafia, which I doubt)

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Toon Fighter - 63/100
SensFan - 61/100
BrianMcQueso - 57/100
Medicated Lain - 56/100
Zindaras - 56/100
Kison - 56/100
Porochaz - 56/100
GummyBear - 54/100
AlbertBRampage - 54/100
mozamis/CES - 53/100
ReaperCharlie - 52/100
Internet Stranger - 51/100
Everyone else - 50/100
Agar - 50/100
MBL - 49/100
DeathNote - 49/100
LlamaFluff - 48/100
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Primate - 46/100
Furcolow - 44/100
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Post Post #1102 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 3:28 pm

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You really need to get your head out of your goddamn ass. You're not God's gift to Mafia, and you definitely can't just assume that anyone disagrees with you is Scum. Sorry to disappoint you.

And for the last fucking time, I can't be both STARTING MULTIPLE WAGONS and not scumhunting. You're giving me those magic fairy points for both, and it makes no sense. (Oh wait, I don't know the Hez Fairy Dudt Code, so I shouldn't misrepresent you by talking about that.) (And crap, disagreeing with you will get me even more of the Pixie Dust Points. I wonder how many points not reading a single post of yours from now on is worth...)
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Post Post #1103 (ISO) » Tue May 31, 2011 10:02 pm

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Hez wrote:Yessir. Welcome to one of my very top scumtells. Yosarian2 uses something similar, and he happens to be in this game. Basically, if your scumreads make no sense to me, then you are not viewing teh game from teh same perspective that I am, and therefore have an extremely high probability of being scum.

I'm fairly sure most people will come at a game from a different perspective simply by virtue of being sufficiently different people. It is a weak scum tell (although I prefer applying the converse as a town tell) and using the phrase "extremely high probability of being scum" is way out there.
Scumchat is awesome. Yarr!

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Post Post #1104 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:02 am

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Hez, you've got a bad case of the "anyone who disagrees with me is scum". Sens pointed this out, and all you do in reply is say 'That's not scumhunting! You're not scumhunting!' over and over and over (and over). I called the case on you "interesting and fairly convincing" and in your reply, I became scummy in your eyes. Your thinly-veiled OMGUS has been noted.
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Post Post #1105 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:43 am

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Should I just assume that Hez is the only one drinking the SensScum kool-aid? I'm happy to continue ripping his posts apart and pointing out the massive hypocrisy and holes in them, but at this point I'm wondering if anyone else is giving his points validity.
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Post Post #1106 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:22 am

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ReaperCharlie wrote:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Additionally, due to his own limited activity problems, I am allowing ReaperCharlie to add Battousai as his hydra partner. This will be updated in the player list when they inform me of the account name for their hydra.

It is
Death Ninja
, and thank you.

I forgot to write down the password when I created the account.

That'll make it an extra while, unfortunately. Sorry to all.
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@mod: May both myself and Battousai post out-of-hydra until such time as our hydra is approved?
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Post Post #1108 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:31 am

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I am half way. I should be finished by tonight. : D

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Post Post #1109 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:05 am

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Where is ABR and why isn't he dead already?
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Post Post #1110 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:09 am

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I would hazard a guess that the answers are, respectively, Montreal and because the Scum haven't realized he's obvtown.
(11:04:10 PM) senspizzaline: That's actually my bold prediction for the year
(11:04:19 PM) senspizzaline: Miami finishes 2nd in the AFCE.
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Post Post #1111 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:03 am

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SensFan wrote:Should I just assume that Hez is the only one drinking the SensScum kool-aid? I'm happy to continue ripping his posts apart and pointing out the massive hypocrisy and holes in them, but at this point I'm wondering if anyone else is giving his points validity.

Do you think Hez is dumb or scum? Reading your posts, all you seem to be doing is countering his points, not assessing his alignment.
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Post Post #1112 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:08 am

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MrBuddyLee wrote:
SensFan wrote:Should I just assume that Hez is the only one drinking the SensScum kool-aid? I'm happy to continue ripping his posts apart and pointing out the massive hypocrisy and holes in them, but at this point I'm wondering if anyone else is giving his points validity.

Do you think Hez is dumb or scum? Reading your posts, all you seem to be doing is countering his points, not assessing his alignment.

Dumb. His attacks against people are a complete farce, but I'm pretty sure he's Town in spite of it. The hypocrisy of his points are coming off as genuine mistakes, as opposed to calculated doubletalking.
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Post Post #1113 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:54 pm

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SensFan wrote:Should I just assume that Hez is the only one drinking the SensScum kool-aid? I'm happy to continue ripping his posts apart and pointing out the massive hypocrisy and holes in them, but at this point I'm wondering if anyone else is giving his points validity.


His point valid, not entirely.

You obviously town, also no.

What you are doing is NOT helping anything though.
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Post Post #1114 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:12 pm

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Llama, when you get the chance, can you at least give some sort of response to my post about your play D1?
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Post Post #1115 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:24 pm

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Kison is still basically actively lurking. He had one post with some content and a vote 3 days ago, but that's really all he's done for all of day 2.
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Post Post #1116 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:09 pm

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ReaperCharlie wrote:
@mod: May both myself and Battousai post out-of-hydra until such time as our hydra is approved?


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Post Post #1117 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:37 pm

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Yosarian2 wrote:Kison is still basically actively lurking. He had one post with some content and a vote 3 days ago, but that's really all he's done for all of day 2.


Hi. Active lurker checking right in.

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Post Post #1118 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:55 pm

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Toon Fighter wrote:Where is ABR and why isn't he dead already?


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Post Post #1119 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:12 pm

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Frank, ABR and Toon Fighter are my choices for today although I was quite happy leaving my vote on RC even though I
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Post Post #1120 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:14 pm

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Unvote, vote Toon Figther


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Post Post #1121 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:19 pm

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SensFan wrote:Llama, when you get the chance, can you at least give some sort of response to my post about your play D1?


You want more then what I said throughout the day? I wasnt a huge fan of the Furc or the Surye wagons, when it came down to choose between the two, I had them both as more town than scum for different reasons. I ended up voting the person who most of my town reads were voting over the person who most of my scum reads were voting. Would base a decision on the same things again if forced to. If it was up to me, I would have killed about half the game over either of them though.

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Post Post #1122 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:37 pm

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Themed pbpa


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Don’t like that TF votes a possible innocent person with the excuse of ‘pressuring’ him.
I didn’t like Poro’z 246. Not a good reason to start turning on Vezo. I also don’t like how he asked Amrun to answer a question that was actually in the form of a statement.
I didn’t like Albert’s vote on Furc. Albert didn’t do much yesterday, said he’d scumhunt ToDay, didn’t do shit. I mean he just recently got onto TF so I dunno.
Agar for defending the Vezo wagon quiet adamantly. Minor suspicion, I’d like to see what NS does. Seen em lurk and I don’t like that.
I kinda don’t like Zindy, but I forgot why. So I’ll put em to null for now.

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#17: I like the way you confirm.
#142: Why do you always say “Better than random lynch” or “Better of a random lynch”
#182: How do you suggest people avoid debates that can become counter-productive? Meaning, how can we prevent from people taking sides that doesn’t help with basing alignment?
#342: Yeah I don’t mind that, actually. (The aggroing) How has your read progressed with him, pairing with his in-game actions and not just his meta?
#353: Oh good point, I didn’t think of that like that.
#355: You mean pre-maturely? I can agree with that, but I wouldn’t agree with claiming something else that they are not. Sorry it’s just I always see people saying town shouldn’t claim vanilla, but I guess they omit the obv that they shouldn’t claim a pr because it’s anti-town.
#507: I think he means ABR would contradict himself to vote him? (Abr voted him shortly thereafter)

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#28: Why early claim : [
#60: Yeah I always think he is Grey Ice xD *I mean she xD

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#42: There is no reason for him not to change his meta to fit his wincon. It’s not unlikely, and I find it odd you aren’t worried this time around.
#648: Wrong, I know people who self vote as either alignment or scum. Also we have TWO claims at that time, why would you gun for more? I don’t really know. I don’t find it scummy because I don’t really know what how to deal that because I want to scumhunt but then there are TWO claimed people. >_>

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#44: Ah, nice. I found this from that thread:
Seraphim wrote:The problem is that you play exactly the same town and scum, at least from what I can see.

this is the game he is talking about.

So that means his claim should have been null.
#132: I like this post a lot, but sadly this is a critic arm chair post and can’t be based on alignment. Like the helpfulness though, can help town in the long run.
#246: Don’t like this post. Your turn on Vezo seemed faked because you seemed to get frustrated with Vez, instead of thinking he was scum. His #244 seems selfish, yes, but not scummy. He also states his preference, but that doesn’t have bairing of alignment anyways.
#292: What? You seemed to leave the door open by not clearly asking a question. You could simply have said, “Why aren’t you doing anything original?” She wouldn’t have commented like she just did if you did. Then you called her scummy for it.

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#49: I like that direction.
#267: Did you really get offended by Agar? Learn to take an insult. I don’t think braindead and lrn2read are things that can really get someone in a bad mood. Also, you bolded the Braindead or Scum, I assume you took Scum as an insult too?
#792: I think that may be because some other things happened here that may not happened in the past when you played with him. For example, the Policy lynches may be something you disagree with him.

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#78: What is wrong with drawing out a policy lynch?
#564: What did you think of Abr voting Zindy and also Furc?
#591: Actually, I like that. I would do the same for townreads. I wouldn’t base all my attacks on their suspects though, because we do need to get info even from your or my town reads (Because we can be wrong)

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#80: Uh, reactions aren’t really drawn out much if you state that you are trying to gage a reaction from a particular person. They’d most likely prepare for it knowing you want one.

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#83: No, we shouldn’t ignore it. FoS

Alber
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#123: Not so helpful. Why not instead say “Please answer my #210” etc. Go back and answer it just seems anti town.
#255: Hmmm, how about somehow asking a mod to limit how many games he can join?
#347: Yes, but how does Surye’s dumb plan = scum? I could see some good intent in that, because that way the VI wouldn’t be a distraction anymore. Of course, I disagree with having the cop claim on d2, and having him cop the vi because most likely we can read the VI or catch him with connections.
#354: Eww self meta. Don’t tell us what you would do as scum. I can agree Agar doesn’t really have much on you either.
#416: AND? Does that change your read slightly on Llama?
#483: I also don’t like self-votes/self-hammers, but I’d think that was out of frustration, so it would be a null tell. FoS Albert
#753: Implying he is your scum buddy. Not a good answer.
#855: Disagree. I know some townies who would self vote just to prove a point. Null tell really. I’d just YELL at them though, instead of vote them.
#1027: Will you please post about game related content, and not about ignore lists or people annoying you? Start scum hunting.

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#308: Even worse, most everyone seems to ignore him. Not much though, but some do I think.

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#315: You come out of hiding. : P
#590: Sadly I do not know. I usually go off in-game actions. Vez seems to be a poor player but he seems to at least be sort of, co-operating.

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#333: Aww how sweet
#336: What you afraid to release your scum reads? Pfft.
#449: Now was that question helpful? Did it help you find an alignment?
#544: Why did you say Surye joined EVERY crap wagon instead of saying A crap wagon?
#610: Maybe cuz he’s newb? Cmon bro, you know that when you are a newb, that you’d attack the weaker players instead of the stronger ones. This might only work from a newb scum mindset though, because as town you don’t want to pick fights, you want to accuse WHOEVER you find scummy.
#666: Uh, yes you do want him to claim, no matter what. Even the scummiest people may turn out to be PR’s. Problem is at this time we have one claim too many, sigh. Not anyone’s fault but Vezo’s.
#678: Lol I like how Dk saying you’re town has nothing to do with his alignment.
#849: I like the pressure on RC.

CES
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#492: Why you answer someone else’s question broski? Defense?
#638: Wait hold on, did you ever say that Vezo should die tho? Did you vote him?

Agar
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#554: No, he wasn’t. He said every Wagon, instead of A wagon. Every is meant to refer to a collective, and I think IS was actually sheeping someone when referring to Surye.
#616: How are you so sure he’s obvtown?

Zindaras
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#568: I have seen someone execute scum on d1 before as well. Except that was a scumbuddy. ;-;

Main points
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Vez claim. :/ - The Vez claim was dumb. It hurt us, especially since we got a 2 claims and another lynch. I don’t usually go for policy lynches because I’d rather lynch scum. Although I’ll take responsibility for my slot’s actions. (By explaining how I feel about pl’s, and scumhunting)

Furc’s active lurking – Well we can’t really tell much and I feel we should have seen what else he has done. It seemed he did worse and others have mentioned that it may have been because of the role he received not being exciting. I feel some people rely to heavily on roles to have fun in mafia.

Furc Self vote gambit – This was very dumb. I do not like self voting nor self hammering, so I would have YELLED at him for doing that. I wouldn’t have voted him like ABR did, especially considering ABR said that scum would/were vote/voting him.

Toon Fighter voting someone who he thinks may be inno – Ok this is pretty hypocritical. He says Furc may be innocent yet votes him for pressure. Essentially he could have said that he wasn’t sure of his read on him and wanted info from him.

Cult recruiter – Hmmm, interesting info there. I don’t really know much about cults, but if there are some, that may mess up my goals of finding scum because of the recruiting.

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Zindaras wrote:You did vote Furc.


To make a point to him that self-voting is stupid and will get you killed. If Furcolow flips scum then sure, go ahead and try to lynch me.


Albert B. Rampage wrote:No sarcasm, I found your case entertaning. Out of context it looks like furc and I are crazy.

If you look at it in context, town doesn't self-vote, therefore by that logic my vote is legit.


Yeah but you should have yelled at him instead of voting him. I don't think I even saw the message of "YOU SELF VOTED? WOW I'M GOING TO TEACH YOU A LESSON YOU IDIOT! *VOTES*". What I saw was "EWW YOU SELF VOTED ONLY SCUM SELF VOTE"
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Post Post #1123 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:38 pm

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Vote: Toon Fighter
Reason stated above in reads section.
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Post Post #1124 (ISO) » Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:48 pm

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@Ranmaru
, did you read the entire thread in order or just read individual isolations?
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