In the process of recompiling my notes. It'll take a while, to group it all together. But I think I stumbled onto a pattern which will reveal the truth.
Ranmaru wrote:Well Mastin's putting in some effort though, I don't think he's just fluffing on purpose. I think he is putting energy in this, I just have him as null. Rather have scummy people lynched, and then have a read on Mastin with POE later on.
Which reads do you agree with?
I'm not sure at the moment.
You, you give blatant, straight forwarded reasoning with your reasons, I can see the effort, and it makes it easier for us to justify your town intentions.
Mastin, he is more secretive, he doesn't really explain his reads, but he has that second-nature which makes us believe he is "on to something" as he says. But for Mastin, you'd have to give him a while and see who flips before you can determine if his intentions are honest and he is really on to something.
And yeah, I always have to badger Mastin into explaining how he comes up with things. Even if he likes to keep secret, I'd at least not want him to keep his scum reads secret. I wonder how accurate he can be.
Mana_Ku wrote:@Mastin
Uhm, ok :S? Now I'm confused as I have been absent for a long time, so I don't see how you could have heard of my name :S
Skyquiem wrote:I told myself I refuse to do another wall D1, but fate isn't as kind as I want it too.
...Fate can go suck it, though. Through a rusty, flimsy straw.
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Hiraki wrote:Skyquiem. Are you honestly a hydra?
Of course we are...
Are you even reading?
Although that might be a jab at me not posting as much as my other head, so I'll give you that much. >.>
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Mastin continues to read to me as 'TL;DR' that continues to come off as Town, strangely enough.
I do not get Ranmaru's game. What's he after?
Why, oh why does Mana_Ku still continues to not give reasoning behind her/his votes... mind readers none of us are, maam/sir.
Agreeing with my other head on Gorilla being Town- it just oozes from him like smelt gold. So why are there votes on him?
Rising Phoenix feels Town to me as well- good reasoning and all that.
Oh god... please no more walls Mastin... Please? You ramble worse then me on a good day- add piles of words onto that and you get a disaster. Not looking forward to it >.>
Hikari- why the double-same votes in the same exact post? made no sense whatsoever to me. At all.
I am facepalming at the VT claim by silver... why after just 2 votes indeed.
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Kublai Khan wrote:Skyquiem - Ugh. Hydra. Your schizophrenic mystery posting makes you a very tough read. Head Two is clearly scummier than Head One. But I'm basing that on just generic tells.
By which head do you mean here?
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[winger] wrote:Actually, KK, that's pretty accurate. I'm just waiting for someone to do something scummy, then pounce on them.
Really...?
Makes a whole lot of sense to me. Yep!
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@Scott
Glad my search was not in vain then...
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This thread needs more InHim and Reya(And me coincidentally enough... but I'll be fixing that after this post: Hopefully...)
And I am caught up!
Yaaaaaaaay.... Yeah no one cares >.>
You have? You have only addressed her twice, I checked the ISO before I said that. You DID say she didn't give reasons for her votes, but she only voted RVS tho. (That was RVS, right?)
I ctrl + F Mana in your ISO. Saw nothing else about her.
Ranmaru 44 wrote:My only suspects are Gorilla and Hiraki. I don't like that Hiraki is trying to cock block my play. Everyone else I just don't remember at the moment (meaning that is a sign they should post more) or aren't a worry to me.
Ranmaru 64 wrote:Town: Khan, Phoenix
Slight town: Hiraki
Newb town: Silver, Scott Brosius, Deity Kabutops
Null: InHim (warranted), Mastin, Gorilla
Newb null leaning scum: [winger]
Scum: Sky, Mana Ku, Slaxx.
post where ranmaru explains how Gorilla went from scum to neutral, where Hiraki went from scum to slight town, or for that matter where Mana Ku, Slaxx or Sky are mentionned between those two wrote:...
I'll go make a great big general analysis and come back soon.
EDIT: No but really, how have your reads on those 5 progressed Ranmaru?
Skyquiem wrote:Welcome Slaxx, really glad you replaced in, that slot needed activity badly.
I agree with head ones vote. It was something I brought up in our QT awhile ago and was actually the reason I was asking Ranamaru for his previous scum games. His play this game seems excessively fluffy in comparison to his completed town games on this site. Even when I pointed out the questions were leading nowhere and unproductive he continued doing so
which reeks of scum
not knowing how to make active posts without redirecting attention elsewhere.
Silver, you stated Deity is one of your strongest FoS's in the game, does that you don't believe his claim? JK is a highly common role thus why would scum claim a role that could lead to a potential counter-claim and them being lynched this early into the game?
Mastin, you stated earlier that you had a town-read on Ranamaru, what was it based upon and how has it changed?
- Regfan.
Here. I asked him a question about that and he hasn't answered actually... >_>
Sky: How does that make me scum?
In the bolded, he thinks my questions make me scum, even though he has seen meta that should line up with my play. Good example, Mafia on Midol, Open 300. (Finished recently) Yet he never talked about that. I don't even know which game he referenced.
Facts:
You mentioned that Gorilla only mentioned you after Sky and Phoenix mentioned you, while he had been viewing New York many times before.
You never 'poked' Gorilla before Sky and Phoenix mentioned you.
My question due to these facts is why you never 'poked' Gorilla before Sky and Phoenix mentioned you, while according to you he has viewed New York before that period.
As for your part about Silver, you don't need to teach me ._. I'm thinking wether his claim-reaction is strong enough to erase my suspicions against him.
There's one more part I need to respond to in this post, but that has to wait till tomorrow as well.
Mana sitting on the fence here, and I don't see any scumhunting. Also, she didn't address much people. Need more content.
Hiraki wrote:
Ranmaru wrote:Expand on that.
If you're being scummy, you can be anti-town.
Since this game may have an anti-town faction, anything that's anti-town at this point is scummy.
Even so, why don't you think we should get rid of people that are anti-town? Or at least, why is this argument having a point?
Also, I love how Diety is able to call me scummy for not posting content, while not doing the same himself, and not saying much about Ranmaru, his vote.
(b")b
From here, I liked his reasoning for scum hunting on Scott, it was legit.
Gorilla, fell to null. He isn't helping much either, and is just a wagon filler. Let's see what else he can bring to the table.
You are telling someone to move their vote off one of your scum reads?
RANMARU:
Ranmaru wrote:OMG now it opens xD Hi guys. Glad it's only three pages for now.
Nothing
Ranmaru wrote:So uh, why did Deity claim so early?
Vote: Mana ku
for having a pokemon/person avatar :3
RVS
Ranmaru wrote:Ah, I see. 0.o I thought you were a fire/flying type Pokemon.
mastin2 wrote:For the record, I'm quite confident Mana's town, and pretty sure Scott is, too.
Explain this.
No content of his own.
Ranmaru wrote:
Scott Brosius wrote:Headclaiming is definitely protown. You are not claiming heads. Therefore not protown.
Hiding information can only benefit scum.
But how does this make them scum?
No content of his own. Asking other people to make cases on scum.
Ranmaru wrote:
mastin2 wrote:
Spoiler: Rambling About My Experience With Other Players
1. inHimshallibe <--Played with 'Him once as an alt, and have also seen him in Oldy Mafia be lynched. (Yes, I read all of Oldy Mafia.)
2. [winger] <--A familiar name from There Will Be Bloodshed.
3. DeityKabuto <--Ongoing.
4. Kublai Khan <--Newbie 742, I was cop, nailed both scum on first two pages, and investigated one of 'em Night One. Said person was later replaced by Khan, who claimed doc. I won that battle, Khan got lynched, and I was NK'd. (Interestingly enough, my N2 investigation wasn't on the second scum. It was on someone I thought was town, but yet I had some doubts about. Sound familiar?
7. Silver1337 <--I saw one or two games which I was interested in browsing which had Silver's name in it. I have no clue which ones, so really not that familiar.
8. Skyquiem <--That would require me to know who the heads are.
9. RisingPhoenix <--Never heard of RisingPhoenix.
10. gorilla <--Two games, both ongoing.
11. Reya Cookiebringer <--Seen the name, don't remember the player.
12. Hiraki <--Another name from There Will Be Bloodshed. I've also caught Hiraki's name elsewhere, though I don't remember where. Likely browsing.
13. Scott Brosius <--Haven't really seen this name before.
14. Mana_Ku <--I've heard of Mana_Ku, but I'm not positive we've played together. It's possible.
15. Ranmaru <--In a game I browsed, I saw Ranmaru be called an anti-town player due to Ranmaru's style of play. Some Mini game with Pine in it. I've seen Ranmaru's name on the browsing list a lot, too, more than the other players (which I have seen. I saw Reya, Silver, and perhaps Phoenix browsing at times, too. Might've seen Scott once or twice, too, though I'm less sure of that) so that MIGHT be a good sign.
I don't actually know anything about Ranmaru, though. Simply saw that others wanted Ranmaru to replace out for being anti-town
.
I was sadly very busy and it wasn't due to my playstyle. It was Mini 1146 I think and I prompted the mod that I would like to replace IN for that game, since it sounded funny and all. Then last week of school hits and I have 40 pages to read up. (Well I mean that I replaced in a longgg time after that) I had to prod dodge to infinity hoping that I'd get a night to do my catch up xD But the nights were so quick! (I was irresponsible in that game, but that won't happen and I will post a ton) I was not adjusted to this. D4 comes, and alot of people are angry with my stalling. I was going to try and do a catch up to atone for my sins, but I saw WELL AT LEAST HE COULD BE HAMMERING so I was like FUUUu ok and I hammered someone I didn't even have a read on xD. That was a berry big mistake. Luckily, that was the last scum I had hammered, so we won the game, but I got temporarily black listed.
It was situational, and I don't like lurking either. You won't see that here. : P And yes, you will see my name alot.
Big irrelevant post.
Ranmaru wrote:
Kublai Khan wrote:ohshit.. mastin2? *HEAD DESK*
mastin2 wrote:Vote: Khan Man. For old time's sake.
(Fun fact: I've been in two games with Khan.
In Both Games, Khan was scum.
I am in this game.
Khan is in this game.
Therefore, Khan is scum.
My logic is flawless! )
Flawless logic, indeed. You are not claiming roleblocker and you are still alive. Ergo I'm not scum.
And I'm obviously not a delayed action vig; though I agree with you on the definition--I think we'll see a minimum 2 bodies tomorrow (Empking+scum) assuming no blocking, etc.
Still, how much does Empking hate you?
I'm trying to decide to either policy lynch you for excessive posting
or ignore you and let nature take it's course.
DeityKabuto wrote:I am the Jailkeeper. I can target people and block night abilities used on them and that person cannot use night abilities. I chose my first target at random, so I need the town to lean me in the right direction of who to use it on N1.
What the eff--? You don't seem to have any completed games here on mafiascum.
Do you understand any of the basic principles of playing mafia?
Scott Brosius' vote is horrible. So is Mana_Ku's vote. She (?) should justify it soon.
DeityKabuto wrote:I played a game as a scum with mastin, and overall, he is our best chance at winning the game.
No talking about on-going games. (I didn't see any completed games in your meta.)
hmm
Vote: Scott Brosius
FOS: Mana_Ku
That's NOT GONNA HAPENNNN
7 posts in and still no content.
Ranmaru wrote:
mastin2 wrote:Or not.
Users browsing this forum: mastin2, Reya Cookiebringer
^What it was. I checked multiple times. Also saw Reya posting somewhere on the forum as the last post in one of 'em.
Users browsing this forum: mastin2
^What it is, now.
I approve of this.
Buddying, still no original stances.
Ranmaru wrote:
mastin2 wrote:Delayed Action Vig?
I have no clue what role that is, and I doubt I'd find it if I searched on the Wiki. My GUESS would be that Empking sends in a kill, and said person dies either during the day phase at some time or during the next night phase.
(Fun fact: I've been in two games with Khan.
In Both Games, Khan was scum.
I am in this game.
Khan is in this game.
Therefore, Khan is scum.
My logic is flawless! )
Or maybe he'd have to send it in twice.
Good way of starting RVS.
More useless filler.
Ranmaru wrote:
Silver1337 wrote:Because it's dangerous to lynch someone without loads of evidence on D1.
If you need loads of evidence, how do you think you'd get it?
Useless question. Still no original content. Question is useless because answer is irrelevant to any alignment tells.
Skipping #9/10 because they are long. But still no reads and no pressuring in either post.
Ranmaru wrote:@Sky:
Fair enough.
What do you think about Khan's policy lynch idea?
What do you think about Hiraki so far?
Do you think Mastin's master plan was an RVS joke?
Still no pressuring or content of his own.
Ranmaru wrote:1. I agree. I thought so as well, but I said no regardless.
2. Yes I hope he improves.
3. Meaning his first post coming in, where he stated 4 scum resided in the 4 slots he has shown.
Builds off of Sky's stances.
#13, pressuring Scott to answer a question. Its also a question that would force other people to do ran's scumhunting.
#14, lurker hunting. Normally a null tell except when it is exclusive to lurkers only, which this is.
Ranmaru wrote:This isn't info that scum may know. Scum know who town may be, but this is only non-game related info that the Hydra is keeping for now.
Although not helping with other types of info, may be anti-town, it doesn't make it scummy. Do you understand?
First light stance Ran has taken and its only 15 posts in. He just said, though, that it is antitown and not scummy. So still no reads on either member involved.
Ranmaru wrote:
[winger] wrote:Wait, did we really have a jailkeeper claim? On day one? On PAGE one? With no votes down?
I'm not sure I follow why that happened, exactly. DK, why did you feel the need to claim?
That was exactly what I thought. Seems either he claimed so that he wouldn't be pressured in the future, or he might usually be used to that in smogon type mafia or something.
@Phoenix: Eh? What do you mean? I don't know what you are talking about.
@Mastin: Ok that's fine... I don't like giving out town reads early myself but I ask because you shouldn't give out town reads so easily without reason. I look forward to WHY you have gotten the town reads.
Your first post was a joke, right?
Fencesitting on DK, more questions, still no town/scum reads and we are pretty deep in the ISO here. Has yet to pressure anyone.
Ranmaru wrote:Ok. Honestly I would think the scum team wouldn't be paried together, though. Since the mod would have to randomize the list. I feel as though Khan is just anti-town and not really scummy. Need more from him.
@Silver: You should ask your suspect questions then, instead of sitting around and waiting for SCUM TO SLIP per say.
One again calls something antitown but not scummy. Are we afraid to call people scummy? Possibly. The first actual scumhunting Ran mentions is in this post, and its based off of OGTM. Which is shit.
#18 is more of the same thing.
Ranmaru wrote:@Mastin:
Right. Can you compare this to his possible town games? Again, why does this make him scum and not null?
Explain what he did the last two games as scum, that he is doing here. Bring up quotes too.
You are saying Khan could possibly have been 3 or 4 in your demonstration, but that is only speculation. Of course, I hope you have some questions for him to draw reactions from.
Yes, it was long.
@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.
Hey MAstin, do my scumhunting for me. Kthxbai.
Ranmaru wrote:Ok that's fine, thank you.
Oh, I didn't look at that. : P
Interesting. Meh, I just use Microsoft word sometimes. And I am kinda scatter brained and un-organized myself. : [
Useless.
Ranmaru wrote:
Hiraki wrote:
Ranmaru wrote:@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.
I'm not being a hypocrite.
I've at least managed to get 8 posts out about the game, while the person who enters on Page 4 gets barely 5 lines, most of them lacking use.
Ok.
Why exactly are you voting Scott?
What are your reads on: Me, Mastin, Khan, Mana ku, Sky, and Phoenix?
What are your thoughts on Policy lynches?
More useless questions. Still no stances of his own and we are 21 posts in.
#22: blatant active lurking.
#23: Still shooting down scum reads while processing none of his own.
#24: Useless post.
#25: "Do my hunting for me".
#26: Provides a link to something. Who knows.
#27: "Do my scumhunting for me"
Ranmaru wrote:I wanted to know your thoughts because you haven't really posted much. What you say can go either way and makes it null, not scum. You are just stating a possibility.
You still haven't explained your awkward sensation. You are fine with explaining your reads, but not your awkward sensation of me?
Someone is getting a bit nervous.
Ranmaru wrote:Being scummy may be anti-town, but not the other way around.
Anti-town means that the person may be either scum or town, but are also being 'hurtful' to town. (For example, Dk here being a
possible
town Jk, and then not even explaining his vote on me; What he is doing is hurtful to town but it doesn't make him scum, just something that you should press and look into further)
But your point about multiple factions seems good, actually. Sorry if you do actually know what Anti-town means. I'm used to looking for scum, so I'll concede to that.
Yes, I don't know why he is able to explain his reads and yet doesn't really have a good reason to back it up. That is anti-town, and so was his pre-mature claim.
Paragraph 1: Theory talk.
Paragraph 2: Theory talk/experience talk.
Paragraph 3: More antitown but not scummy talk. STILL has yet to out reads or pressure anybody. Btw, we are 29 posts in.
#30 Defending Kahn. Might be the first stance in the game.
#31 Brings up game for Sky.
#32 More defending Kahn.
#33 Useless.
#34 "Do my scumhunting for me"
#35 "Take my stances for me"
#36 Useless
#37 "Do something Gorilla"
#38 No clue what this is.
#39 Votes obvtown for parroting. Kind of hypocritical given what we have seen. Possible chainsaw of Scott.
Ranmaru wrote:
gorilla wrote:
I misremembered how things went, w/e
just because someone else said it doesn't make it true: you've been posting for the sake of posting. I'm lurking in the early stages of day 1 and I don't care how you perceive me for it, I'll comment when I see fit.
What??? Explain how you misremembered how things went.
No I haven't, there is more to me than meets the eye. Your only lead is that you THINK I am posting to just post. What else do you think of me then, if you aren't parroting?
You are lurking so that when you see others give suspicions, you can simply prey off of their suspicions and simply agree without having to really give a genuine opinion yourself. You have viewed many many times but never did you say this before Phoenix or Sky has brought up points against me.
LOLOLOLOLOL
OLOLOL
LOL
LOLOLOL
Ran just called himself scum. No, he didn't admit to it. But he literally pegged his own playstyle in that post.
Ranmaru wrote:
gorilla wrote:Ranmaru, I read page one when the thread opened and thought mastin had goaded DK into claiming, not that DK had offered to claim. I hadn't re-read that page when I posted again.
I think you're annoying, possibly scum as I said earlier.
Thank you for explaining my motivations to me, I like others to tell me what I'm doing because I'm not aware myself. I'll post when there's something for me to say. Yawn.
preview-edit: DK, I just don't always get into games right away with the voting and the arguing etc. A number of players have yet to post and I don't feel like my reads will be worthwhile until things get moving. I figured this game I'd wait with my vote until I have decent reason, and just talk until then.
My playstyle shouldn't be based on finding my alignment. I'm an active poster and if you read my completed games you could notice that. Don't like it, too bad. Possibly scum? That's not a reason, that is a possibility, and that falls in null because then you are REALLY saying "You can possibly be scum or town, dunno".
Oh I'm sure you WOULD. You are being hypocritical here because you also have been trying to say that my motivation per say is to fake contribute. Why shouldn't I try to read what your motivation is?
Ran is calling someone who suspects him scum. Keep this trend in mind because we will see it more later.
#42 Your case isnt good enough, make it better. Khan is town because someone else said so.
#43 Well there is a town stance. First one of the ISO.
#44 Biggest post he has written and its self defense and a null tell on Mastin.
#45 Let me tell you how to scumhunt
#46 Hi Hiraki, do my scumhunting for me.
#47 So far Ran has pressured both Gorilla and Silver, probably some of the weakest players so far in the game. Not a good start.
#48 :decentposting: but then a dead end question at the end.
#49 Decent. Asking someone to explain their vote is good.
#50 Lol@ hypocrisy in that post. More useless questions. Has he followed up on any of these? Yes. By saying thank you, or agreed. But never taking legitimate stances.
#51 Pretty much the same thing we've been seeing here. Slight improvement.
Ranmaru wrote:Not the best wagon's. I admit it is hard to get some leads in this weak town.
Btw Mastin, when you do that, I'd like for you to state ALTERNATIVE wagons and state reasons why. I still don't agree on Khan being scum.
Also still wondering about Inhim and Reya. :/
Lurker hunting, blaming everyone else for lack of reads. I'm getting plenty, whats your problem?
#53 Still has not explained relevancy of question.
Ranmaru wrote:
mastin2 wrote:Khan is my alternative wagon.
Reason why's simple.
I currently do not believe winger is scum.
inHim has not provided me any content.
Reya is far too minor a suspect.
Hiraki I am not confident enough in to lynch.
Sky might,
might
be a good lynch, but I'm not completely sold on Sky being scum, yet.
Khan's really the best option.
What is your read on Brossius again?
How has your Khan read developed? Has he progressively done more scummy things? Have you ever played in games he was town? Did he do anything differently?
Why aren't you completely sold on Sky/Hiraki?
Hi Mastin, you look dangerous, so I am going to buddy up to you. I am also going to ask more useless questions.
#55 I think this is Empking related. Analyzing the night kill. Decent but not optimal.
#56 Ran has an obsession with Kahn. Probably partners.
#57 <3 Rising Phoenix. I made your case for you buddy.
#58 Not much here that is scummy or towny.
#59 More letting other people craft his reads.
#60 Nothing. Useless.
#61 More sucking up to Mastin and making him his reads-bitch.
And the last few posts he OMGUSes me and Sky. Notice how the Gorilla scum read just goes away. Replaced with two people voting him. That makes sense.
Also notice how he refused to take stances until under pressure. Notice how bad said stances are. Notice the lack of fludity of the Gorilla FoS, and notice the OMGUSing.
That is all. Not only is Ran scum, but he is scum PR. About 90% sure on this.
Also notice how Ran crafts his reads. Every read is a light suspicion. Easy to be backed off of. This is such obvious bullshit its not even funny. This is literally active lurking in its most pure and holy form.
Okay. Well if I am bussing it means we are both scum, right? I also think Kahn and Ran are mafia. Ran's particular obsession with Kahn without ever directly confronting Kahn too much makes them both scum. So if you will join me on both of those bandwagons, I will happily let you lynche me day 3.
Slaxx wrote:Okay. Well if I am bussing it means we are both scum, right? I also think Kahn and Ran are mafia. Ran's particular obsession with Kahn without ever directly confronting Kahn too much makes them both scum. So if you will join me on both of those bandwagons, I will happily let you lynche me day 3.
You just basically said "Well let me survive to D3 as scum"
