Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (Game Over)

[Papa Zito]

My view on VCA is about on par of your view with meta I think, so yeah.

Fair enough.

You subscribe to Prana's scumteam list then?

@Quadz:

I don't think your quickhammer's gonna happen, come on out plz.

[Kise]

fuck all yall

[PranaDevil]

I'll re-edit the below to show what happened solely on the wagons Zito chose to pull up (because, hey, fuck going through all the trouble to go drag more evidence up when it's obvious, the only plank I'm trying to prove stuff too right now is LLD)

Amrun

( 4 ) Lady LambdaDelta, Faraday, PranaDevil,

GreyICE

, (L - 3 )

GreyICE

( 4 )

Papa Zito

, Hoopla,

SpyreX, Slaxx

, (L - 3 )
Lady LambdaDelta ( 3 ) quadz08,

Super Smash Bros. Fan, Amrun

, (L - 4 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Faraday ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Hoopla ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Kise

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
PranaDevil ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
quadz08 ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Slaxx

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Not Voting ( 2 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro, Kise

,

DDD and Kise sitting well away from everything going on. Zito comfortably on GI's wagon.

***

Amrun

( 6 ) *** Lady LambdaDelta, Faraday,

Kise

, PranaDevil,

GreyICE

,

Debonair Danny DiPietro

, (L - 1 )

GreyICE

( 3 ) Hoopla,

SpyreX, Slaxx

, (L - 4 )
Lady LambdaDelta ( 2 ) quadz08,

Super Smash Bros. Fan

, (L - 5 )
PranaDevil ( 1 )

Papa Zito

, (L - 6 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan

( 1 )

Amrun

, (L - 6 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Faraday ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Hoopla ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Kise

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
quadz08 ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Slaxx

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Not Voting ( 0 ) Kise,

Oh look, Kise and DDD found a wagon and got a claim out of Amrun, top marks.

Amrun

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Faraday ( 1 )

GreyICE

, (L - 6 )
***

GreyICE

( 7 ) *** Hoopla,

SpyreX

,

Amrun

, Faraday, Lady LambdaDelta,

Papa Zito, Debonair Danny DiPietro

, (L - 1 )
Hoopla ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Kise

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Lady LambdaDelta ( 2 ) quadz08,

Super Smash Bros. Fan

, (L - 5 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
PranaDevil ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
quadz08 ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Slaxx

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan

( 2 )

Kise

,

Slaxx

, (L - 5 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) PranaDevil,

Kise sits comfortably on the SSBF wagon, while DDD and Zito drive home a wagon that was so obv-town by the end is reeked of it. (And no, I couldn't have argued it, I was sleeping, it was 3:30am, before Zito or some other dumb scum that's outed themselves and is relying on one town and their team's idiocy to win).

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Faraday ( 1 )

SpyreX

, (L - 5 )
Hoopla ( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Kise

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Lady LambdaDelta ( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
PranaDevil ( 2 )

Papa Zito

, Lady LambdaDelta, (L - 4 )
quadz08 ( 2 ) Hoopla, PranaDevil, (L - 4 )

Slaxx

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan

( 3 ) Faraday,

Slaxx

,

Kise

, (L - 3 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Not Voting ( 3 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

, quadz08,

Super Smash Bros. Fan

,

Nothing actually going on here, just scum spread out thinly.

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Faraday ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Hoopla ( 3 ) Lady LambdaDelta,

SpyreX

,

Kise

, (L - 3 )

Kise

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Lady LambdaDelta ( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
PranaDevil ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
quadz08 ( 1 ) PranaDevil, (L - 5 )

RegFan

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan

( 4 ) Faraday, quadz08, Hoopla,

Papa Zito

, (L - 2 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Not Voting ( 3 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro

,

Super Smash Bros. Fan, RegFan

,

Zito pushing town SSBF, Kise pushing town Hoopla. DDD being a waste of space and doing nothing.

Debonair Danny DiPietro

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Faraday ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Hoopla ( 2 ) Lady LambdaDelta,

SpyreX

, (L - 4 )

Kise

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Lady LambdaDelta ( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
PranaDevil ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
quadz08 ( 1 ) PranaDevil, (L - 5 )

RegFan

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
***

animorpherv1

( 6 ) *** Faraday, quadz08, Hoopla,

Papa Zito, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Kise

, (L - 0 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) animorpherv1, RegFan,

Damn, that ani/SSBF wagon grew fast didn't it? Scum were awfully fast to run that one up weren't they?

Oh, and Zito, you do remember I was on the SSBF lynch come the end of the day right? Because it was that or risk losing even more pro-town Hoopla. So your claim at the very end about me being on Quadz is stupid.

See Zito, anyone can take a selection of these and twist them, it's only when you're presenting actual information with them it becomes useful. All you did was bullshit and attempt to make out you had a case, when in actuality, you had nothing.

[Faraday]

My view on VCA is about on par of your view with meta I think, so yeah.

Fair enough.

You subscribe to Prana's scumteam list then?

I guess by POE he makes sense but even then Kise as scum is something I have a hard time buying.

[Papa Zito]

***

animorpherv1

( 6 ) *** Faraday, quadz08, Hoopla,

Papa Zito, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Kise

, (L - 0 )

Having all the scum, on the same wagon, one right after another, would be incredibly stupid. I think you just proved your team theory wrong congrats.

Oh, and Zito, you do remember I was on the SSBF lynch come the end of the day right? Because it was that or risk losing even more pro-town Hoopla. So your claim at the very end about me being on Quadz is stupid.

Oh that's right. So you sat on Quadz all day long and then hammered your town read since wagoning someone else is too hard. My bad.

[PranaDevil]

Hmm, small correction, I believed I had voted for SSBF, turns out I hadn't. Meh.

Amrun

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Faraday

( 1 )

GreyICE

, (L - 6 )
***

GreyICE

( 7 ) *** Hoopla,

SpyreX, Amrun

,

Faraday

,

Lady LambdaDelta

,

Papa Zito

, Debonair Danny DiPietro, (L - 1 )
Hoopla ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Kise ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Lady LambdaDelta

( 2 ) quadz08,

Super Smash Bros. Fan

, (L - 5 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 7 )
PranaDevil ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
quadz08 ( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Slaxx

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 7 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan

( 2 ) Kise,

Slaxx

, (L - 5 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 7 )
Not Voting ( 1 ) PranaDevil,
Total Votes ( 13 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Faraday

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Hoopla ( 2 )

Lady LambdaDelta

,

SpyreX

, (L - 4 )
Kise ( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Lady LambdaDelta

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

Papa Zito

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
PranaDevil ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
quadz08 ( 1 ) PranaDevil, (L - 5 )

RegFan

( 0 ) (L - 6 )

SpyreX

( 0 ) (L - 6 )
***

animorpherv1

( 6 ) ***

Faraday

, quadz08, Hoopla,

Papa Zito

, Debonair Danny DiPietro, Kise, (L - 0 )
No Lynch ( 0 ) (L - 6 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) animorpherv1, RegFan,

Right, now the green is confirmed town, the blues are people in the 1s that cannot be scum together. So only one of those blues is scum remember.

Now, day 1's GI lynch, no way are all three at the end town. Meaning even based on basic wagon info, at least one of Zito, LLD and DDD is scum (I'm ignoring my known read of Zito for this for the record).

Now, assuming Faraday is scum like LLD and co. believe, that means DDD has to be scum sitting on the end of the wagon, as neither LLD nor Zito could be scum along with Faraday.

Day 2's wagon has the final three of:
Zito, DDD, Kise.

It also built up very quick there, I'll note that Zito and DDD are common denominators on the arse end of that wagon. That's not a coincidence. Kise seemed to dive on there as well, which would make me second guess myself if I wasn't so 100% positive on him.

So based on this, we can confirm that one of the 1s is definitely scum.

We can confirm that DDD is 100% scum if you assume that Faraday is based on the first wagon. (As LLD and Zito could no longer be scum, and I don't see town pushing that through for three votes).

On the second wagon, Faraday began it, with Quadz and Hoopla on it early. So at the very best one of them would be scum. Kise, DDD and Zito all dart on at the end, meaning one of them is definitely scum at least. IF Faraday is scum still... well, we know DDD is scum from the first one anyway.

So based on wagon reading, DDD is definitely scum as well.

So that's DDD confirmed scum through that. Kise has confirmed he knows DDD isn't a goon, and Kise has also confirmed that lynching Zito would leave us with another day, thus confirming he's scum with him too.

P-Edit: Nice WIFOM there Zito, you still fail. Not as hard as LLD and her team so far, because they're playing like shit. I guarentee you guys we will win if we lynch Zito, then Kise, then DDD. I'm giving you a 100% guarentee on it. LLD, for once just put some belief in someone elses reads rather than playing the all high and mighty card of "everything outside of what I say doesn't matter" like you have been all game. Please. Just this once, accept that you might actually be wrong and someone else might be right. Zito is our caught scum.

[PranaDevil]

Okay, my team have had a go at me for shouting at LLD. So I'll apologize for that. I'm just getting frustrated, especially right now when we have scum in our grasp, and we're going to just let them walk away with ease.

LLD ask yourself, and your team, the following:

Do you/they believe I'm 100% scum?

If yes, then I'm obviously on a team with Faraday in their mind (So why wouldn't I be in the picking for lynching anyway), as I'm lying about Zito.

If no, (in which case, I'd be town) why is Faraday the scum when town-Prana would have caught scum-Zito, thus confirming Faraday as town?

It doesn't add up. If they believe Faraday to be the scum in the 1s, Zito has to be town, which means I HAVE to have lied about seeing him do both kills. But in that case they should also be certain I'm scum as well and be willing to see me lynched. If they're not sure about me, then they cannot be sure about Faraday, because Prana-town = Zito-scum.

[zoraster]

Day 3 Vote Count

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Faraday ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Hoopla ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Kise ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Lady LambdaDelta ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Papa Zito ( 3 ) PranaDevil, Faraday, Hoopla,

(L - 2 )

PranaDevil ( 1 ) Kise,

(L - 4 )

quadz08 ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

*** No Lynch ( 3 ) ***

Debonair Danny DiPietro, Papa Zito, quadz08,

(L - 1 )

Not Voting ( 1 ) Lady LambdaDelta,
Total Votes ( 8 )

Deadline: June 14th at 11:00 EDT
7 Days Banked
With 8 able to vote, 5 needed to lynch.

[Hoopla]

My team wants Faraday or Hoopla lynched today with a passion, and do not support a no lynch.

DGB finally has a read on me? What changed? I'm curious.

~~

Not to go all Prana on you, but start using your brain. If Faraday is scum, it clears Papa Zito - which means you can participate in today's 50/50. The fact that Prana pointed this out to you is why you should be voting Papa Zito, though, and it's why you're wrong about Faraday and by extension, me.

I'm not getting lynched today. Faraday isn't getting lynched today. We're definitely not no-lynching today, as ONE wrong townie tomorrow, ie; you, is all it takes to hand the game over to scum.

Make a commitment on the 50/50.

[Faraday]

Why is no lynch at L-1?

Anywa bumpan for Zito lynch.

[PranaDevil]

Why is no lynch at L-1?

DDD's name's too bloody long and it's confused the abba out of the mod.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Why is no lynch at L-1?

Because certain people are annoying enough that they’ve bothered others into playing their game instead of them hammering no-lynch already.

[Papa Zito]

Make a commitment on the 50/50.

ITT: Hoopla and Prana bully people in their own special ways.

[PranaDevil]

Zito, are you suggesting I'm town then? And we're in a town Vs town argument?

Because if that's not the case, and you know I'm scum, then you also would know the a no-lynch, when you know someone else is scum, 100%, is a stupid way of doing things don't you.

The ONLY way the "Is Prana or Zito scum?" issue will be solved is via a lynch. Because if I were scum, I'm not about to be killing you and proving I'm scum. Just like you, as scum, wont be killing me, and proving that you are scum.

Therefore, if we no lynch today. We're in the EXACT same situation we are in now. But you guys only need ONE town to allow a mislynch, as opposed to the two required today.

As far as the 50/50 goes. Again, it IS the only lynch decision that can be made today.

If you made both kills (which you did) then you're scum and I'm town.

If you didn't make both kills, then I'm lying scum and you're town.

Anyone NOT making a decision between us needs to realize that it's the only decision that's going to be presented to people. Whether it's today, or whether it's tomorrow. Except tomorrow needs just 3 scum + 1 town to lose us the game, while today needs 3 scum + 2 town.

Which works out better for the scum? Having less town to convince right?

And, as I've already said, when it comes to thinking Faraday is scum, that only makes sense if you ALSO believe me to be lying about Zito. So it makes ZERO sense to not have me as positive scum like LLD and team have with Faraday. If they don't believe their read on me is as strong as their read on Faraday, then their reads are wrong because they don't add up.

That much is fact. Either they have the same level of read on both me AND Faraday, or they're wrong somewhere. Faraday scum = lying Prana. Zito scum = Faraday town. Prana-town = Zito-scum = Faraday town.

Also, Hoopla, while I appreciate you trying to give me townie points up there, you're wrong, if I were, in fact, scum I could quite easily say what I said to appear town. I'm not having scum trying to use that one against me by trying to claim we're scum together.

and DDD, Faraday was asking why it's at L-1, when only 3 people are voting it. That's L-2. So another vote would not be a hammer vote.

No lynch is also moronic at this stage. As I've repeatedly stated AND proven.

(And no, two scum claiming otherwise doesn't change that it's proven either).

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

and DDD, Faraday was asking why it's at L-1, when only 3 people are voting it. That's L-2. So another vote would not be a hammer vote.

No lynch is also moronic at this stage. As I've repeatedly stated AND proven.

Considering you apparently don't know something as basic as the fact that no lynch only requires 50% and not 50% + 1 it kind of decimates your credibility when it comes to any other logic argument.

[PranaDevil]

Does it? I see that nowhere in the rules.

And before you play the "It's always that way" I say "bollocks". As it depends on the mod. If people can change their mind from voting for a lynch of player A to player B, and they can change from voting player B to voting No Lynch. They can also change their vote from No Lynch to Player A.

Therefore, 50%+1 is the ONLY standard of voting that should be used in any situation.

If the day runs the full length and we've not had someone change their vote to either lynching a player OR voting No Lynch decisively, THEN we get the no lynch. Not before.

I'll be pissed if some moron votes no-lynch at this stage and the mod then has fucked about with the basics without warning people in advance.

Though it should all be moot, as your buddy Kise has expressed a statement that me or Zito are scum, then somehow backed off of the Zito argument (after saying he would favour a Zito lynch at this stage... which is hilarious as Zito is currently the leading wagon and he's avoiding it like the plague, only to then back out even FURTHER when this was pointed out to him... somehow this doesn't make him scum in LLD's team's eyes though. So I've no idea what game they're reading, but it isn't this one). So he's not going to vote No Lynch unless he would like to admit to being scum.

Hoopla, myself, and Faraday have all said we're not no lynching.

LLD has stated that her, and her team, refuse to no lynch.

That leaves you, your scum buddy Zito, and Quadz who has yet to get back in here to read the evidence that a no-lynch favours scum.

I'd say, quite happily, that even if No-Lynch requires 50% and no more (which WILL have me bitching out the mod at the end of the game for not telling people in advance that he was changing the fundamentals) we're not going to get to a No-Lynch unless Kise further admits he's scum by voting for it. At which point, LLD had better accept that as the final nail in the coffin that he's scum. No matter how much she wants to believe he's town despite him admitting he is scum twice so far.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm not going to bother arguing with you on this topic despite you being Wrongy McWrongerstein because it's irrelevant to topics that matter. A no lynch is going to happen and the only question is whether someone hammers the no lynch home sometime soon or if ya'll are stubborn enough to run out the entire clock before it happens.

[PranaDevil]

No, a lynch will happen.

It just needs Quadz and LLD to join the rest of town on the Zito wagon.

Or for Kise to bus his buddy like he began doing at the start of this day phase only to run away from suddenly when I pointed out that after his earlier stating that he believes me AND Zito to be scum, and that he'd rather lynch Zito first, means he has to vote one of us...

But I'll stop here, I'm arguing with someone I know, as fact, is scum. So what's the point? I know you're scum, I have all three of you banged to rights, Faraday and Hoopla know it. It just needs LLD's team to realize they're barking up the wrong tree, and Quadz to realize that No-Lynch only benefits the scum (as Hoopla says, look at the others pushing for it to see who it helps the most).

[Faraday]

We don't negotiate with terrorists.


LLD should stop being a terrorist and stick a vote down on Zito.

[Papa Zito]

Zito, are you suggesting I'm town then? And we're in a town Vs town argument?

Not at all. This is an Open game; there are no bus drivers or other shenanigans that could reconcile your "result" and a town alignment.

Because if that's not the case, and you know I'm scum, then you also would know the a no-lynch, when you know someone else is scum, 100%, is a stupid way of doing things don't you.

Yes, I know you're scum. And you know you're scum.

Your post actually illuminates your perspective here. Since you're scum trying to end the game now, you're not thinking ahead to later days. But I am. Once you're flipped, we still have your buddies to find, and reducing the pool only helps with that effort.

[PranaDevil]

lol.

In short "I know I've found scum, but I don't want to lynch him yet".

You realize if I were scum you could no-lynch tomorrow to gain more information right? See. If you actually need the information, and you're 100% positive you have scum, you still lynch the confirmed scum. If you need that no-lynch you just return to it at a later date. Doing it now would actually be witholding information.

You just know the a no-lynch now is required for your team to win, as you know there's not two town out there who would be willing to lynch me. Just like there's not two town out there willing to lynch Faraday, or Hoopla, or LLD, or Quadz.

However... you know as fact that there's currently one town (LLD) that you could convince to lynch Hoopla, Faraday, or myself.

So you need that no-lynch to go through to stand a chance at winning. That's all it boils down to now. No lynch and town might lose. Lynch, and we win. You cannot let the lynch go through today because it confirms that everything I've said is true come tomorrow, meaning your scum team lose. Instantly. But the no-lynch now means entering tomorrow with an easier job for scum to mis-lynch, and no chance at me being proven right.

Quadz, I'll actually ask you a simple question.

Quadz, do you trust that, if you no-lynch, LLD will make the right decision tomorrow based on her current voting pattern? If yes, then push the no-lynch by all means. If no, then remember that it only takes her to be wrong to end the game tomorrow.

You could pretty much remove LLD from the equation and say "every town player". Because that's what it requires tomorrow, absolutely everyone to be bang on the money. Sure, it requires the same today, but it still requires two to be wrong to cause the mislynch at least. Which is better odds for town.

[zoraster]

Clarified the rules. Probably should have been there anyway rather than in the boilerplate, but it was there:

Players may vote for "No Lynch." If at least half of the players vote for a "No Lynch," the day ends without a lynch.

[Papa Zito]

lol.

In short "I know I've found scum, but I don't want to lynch him yet".

Nice twist. If people want a Prana lynch today then I'd be all for it, but I understand the conundrum you've thrown the town in.

You cannot let the lynch go through today because it confirms that everything I've said is true come tomorrow, meaning your scum team lose.

No. I cannot let

my

lynch go through today because that means the town loses. You've conveniently eliminated any possibility of town power providing a mylo safety net through your plan, otherwise I'd be happy to take the 1:1 trade.

Of course, you wouldn't be playing this game if that were the case either.

[PranaDevil]

You've conveniently eliminated any possibility of town power providing a mylo safety net through your plan

I want EVERYONE to look at this post.

Then look at Zito in ISO, specifically his nice big post checking the various wagons, and look at who he has listed as scum.

Do you see what I see?

If you don't, I'll spell it out for you:

Zito is saying a No Lynch will allow TOWN power to help town.

He has BOTH power roles that are left and can be used, as scum.

Game, set and match.

[Papa Zito]

...

Prana, I just said you eliminated any town power (ie roleblocks and vigs) that could defend a mylo mislynch.

lrn2read plz