Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[GhostWriter]

You know she can't respond, right?

[Tragedy]

Oh yeah.

[Kcdaspot]

OH JOY! Lookie what we have here, guys: either 1 scum or 2 scum! We lynch Amrun. She flips scum, we've got one scum. She flips town, we lynch Kcda and Smar, and get a 1-to-2 town-scum tradeoff. It's a win/win-even-more situation. My favorite kinds of situations! Turning in an identical copy of my list right now.

i will admit this game is hell for me.

cuorse theres the off chance that none of scum (this is me saying "between amrun smarg and me? heaven forbid" no sarcasm) in that case... well... fuck.

if amrun flips scum it would surprise me mildly still. if smarg flips scum, it won't.

and there's a chance that I got blocked.

in which caseGODFUCKINGDAMNIT

if this game no-flips again i'm /out. that's it.

[Kcdaspot]

YES GW I CAN'T REFUTE YOU AND OPENLY ADMIT THAT.

for the sake of my sanity take each suspect out of the equation individually. pretend that in turn smag, amrun, and I aren't scum.

what are the other pairings?

[Kcdaspot]

i still say it is impossible for a town pr to have a VT role pm. because i never received one.

[Kcdaspot]

BUT THAT DAMNED CLAIM LOOKS SLIGHTLY LEGIT. BOTH OF EM.

[imaginality]

I'm voting Amrun over smargaret here. Mainly because of the contradiction between her receiving a VT description and Kcdaspot not, as well as her general scumminess. Also doc is an easy fakeclaim for scum.

Kcdaspot, you might want to consider this plan if you believe smargaret to be town: flip a coin, and if it's heads, go back to N1 and roleblock yourself. (If you can't roleblock himself, you shouldn't say so yet.) That way, if you can and do do that, smargaret lives. And the coin-flipping means scum will be taking a risk if they try to kill you as they won't be sure which night he's on. And they'll also be taking a risk if they try to kill smargaret since there's a chance she'd die tonight anyhow (resulting in one night death, rather than two if they target someone else).

The downside is if you both live then you haven't proven your roleclaim (did you vig and then roleblock your vig, or just do nothing), but on the other hand smargaret will get another investigation result.

[C-Worl]

I'm voting Smarg over Amrun. No way will I vote a claimed Doctor over anything.

[Exe]

Have to pretty surely go with Amrun in this. Role claim doesn't add up, so either her or Kcda is lying.

Don't really know what else to say.

[MrTrow]

Kcdaspot's paraphrases of his role PMs fit too closely to mine to be fake. I've seen him fakeclaiming as scum and this isn't it

I am fairly sure amrun said she thought KCD's claim was fake..

Correct:

P-edit: No, kcdaspot's claim sounds exactly like the sort of fakeclaim scum-kcda makes.

Also:

I am a Town Scientist, which basically amounts to a doctor, just with a different name.

i have a unlimited range time machine. thats it.

I can confirm this.

Doesn`t match, whoohoo you can confirm tasky chooses to use the word 'unlimited' for such a machine instead of a range 9 (in-game effectively the same) .
Which (yes just checked, i didn`t do this by head) is pretty much stated in rule 2.1.2.

one more thing(a more technical one):

I can keep submitting actions after I die in case time shenanigans revive me, so I'll keep working for town if I can. Needless to say, if I am lynched, this is highly unlikely to ever happen and I don't see how it could, though I'm not ruling it out.

Yeah right, you don`t see any way how you could be revived?

But it seems that my vote was the tie breaker.

If there is a single player this game that will be revived by accident it will be you.

@Everyone: don`t just look at the 2 on the chopping block a.t.m.
there is a 2-vote difference in the top 5, 3-way tie for second place (we`re talking a november 12th, 1955 scenario here).
I`ll take a look myself after dinner

[Kcdaspot]

I'm voting Smarg over Amrun. No way will I vote a claimed Doctor over anything.

smarg claimed cop.

[Kcdaspot]

YES GW I CAN'T REFUTE YOU AND OPENLY ADMIT THAT.

for the sake of my sanity take each suspect out of the equation individually. pretend that in turn smag, amrun, and I aren't scum.

what are the other pairings?

Also GW answer this plz.

whenever ye get time. but at least sometime in the near future.

[Maxous]

I'm gonna go to Amrun.
Her claim about the sample PM and beleiving/disbeleiving KCD's claim looks fakey.
Also smargaret might be dying anyway.

[GhostWriter]

YES GW I CAN'T REFUTE YOU AND OPENLY ADMIT THAT.

for the sake of my sanity take each suspect out of the equation individually. pretend that in turn smag, amrun, and I aren't scum.

what are the other pairings?

Also GW answer this plz.

whenever ye get time. but at least sometime in the near future.

No. And I won't need to, barring a mod error. It's simple: one side is lying. No hidden tricks. No other PR's stepping up to confirm or deny. They all react how I am reacting: as if they are vanilla townie. Mafia get no information from any of the rest of us.

I don't have pairings, anyway. Hell, I think my top two have pointed fingers at each other.

[C-Worl]

I'm voting Smarg over Amrun. No way will I vote a claimed Doctor over anything.

smarg claimed cop.

Doc > Cop

[Tragedy]

Sort of noticed, though.
Since we have a JOAT, couldn't he just go back in time and roleblock Amrun, if she was really scum?
Why didn't smarg go investigate Amrun?
What the hell did smarg do last night?

[Maxous]

She used a cop power on GhostWriter for whatever reason.

[Tragedy]

Well, GW was the 'Most towniest of us All', some few people said. :\

[GhostWriter]

I don't care about the claims. I care about the fact that we have two opposing sets of information. One says the mod gave a PR a copy of the vanilla townie role name. The other says the mod didn't do that for PRs. As there is no reason to give one a copy and not the rest, this presents a conflict. We have the chance to lynch one person and either have them flip mafia, or have them lead us directly to 2 mafia AND have a floating doc save out there NOT TO MENTION the chance at revival. How this is anything short of a no-brainer is beyond me.

[Kcdaspot]

I don't care about the claims. I care about the fact that we have two opposing sets of information. One says the mod gave a PR a copy of the vanilla townie role name. The other says the mod didn't do that for PRs. As there is no reason to give one a copy and not the rest, this presents a conflict. We have the chance to lynch one person and either have them flip mafia, or have them lead us directly to 2 mafia AND have a floating doc save out there NOT TO MENTION the chance at revival. How this is anything short of a no-brainer is beyond me.

with the only drawback being that I die if amrun is town, and that would mean we are both town which at this point is impossible. (but if she flips town or there is a no flip i'm leaving this game and blacklisting tasky as a mod.) I approve of this plan.

[Kcdaspot]

prod greyice

[Maxous]

@Everyone: don`t just look at the 2 on the chopping block a.t.m.
there is a 2-vote difference in the top 5, 3-way tie for second place (we`re talking a november 12th, 1955 scenario here).
I`ll take a look myself after dinner

As in who all voted for them?

Amrun (5):

GhostWriter

,

RedCoyote

,

imaginality

,

smargaret,

MrTrow

smargaret (4):

C-Worl

,

Kcdaspot

,

Amrun

,

Maxous

imaginality (4):

GhostWriter

,

Tragedy

,

Maxous

,

MrTrow

MrTrow (4):

Tragedy

,

C-Worl

,

smargaret,

GreyICE

^
The colours are my thoughts. For clarification - green is strong town read, blue is less strong town read, red is scum read and pink is lesser scum read.
Amrun would of been pink and smaragret would of been red before the claims. :/

Little difference between my thoughts of those on the Amrun wagon and those on smargaret's.
Feel most comfortable about imaginality's, feel least comfortable about Mr.Trow's.

Still voting Amrun..

[RedCoyote]

I turned in my lynch list. Kcda sounds genuine here and, I don't know, I feel like I couldn't imagine both Kcda and Amrun being town powers. It seems kind of strong. This plus my reads in general.

[Tasky]

Both lynchees have made their statements. Start getting your lists in, please. I will leave the thread open for you to talk for a while.
Lists I haven't got 48h from this post will be randomized.

[MrTrow]

As in who all voted for them?

No as in, time meddling is likely to occur (the mechanics kind of demand it)
The point in time that will be instrumental to what that meddling will result in.
In other words, a minor change in history WILL result in a split in timelines, the relevant difference will start at this lynch.

Although the question in this timeline seems to be amrun or smargaret (a valid question),
my point is, when sending in the lynch-list consider alternate timelines (example, the death of RC N1(which can still happen) would/will result in a 4-way tie for first place(not really as GI`s and exe`s votes would change)), which means any combination of the top 4 nominees can be on the chopping block in alternate timelines D2 with ease (with some more effort GI can be put into the equation as well, although this is less likely to happen).

As for the current-timeline-battle:

Claimed cop (a claimed vig-target) with a 'debatable' investigation (i do see a reason though).

vs

Claimed doc: claimed to be able to confirm kcda`s unlimited timemachine which turned out to be only being able to confirm mods choice of words (which can be done by the rules alone)
stated 'have you even been reading D1' implying there atually being hints to 'other powers'(time machine range check), yet changing it to 'doc' after being pointed out there`s little town-purpose for such a power.

Hmm. tough pick.

As for the rest, well i`m one of m (obviously read ends here)

and imaginality:
Well i had a pretty strong scumread due to the blatant jumping on the first excuse to terminate discussion (without reading it properly: it wasn`t GreyIce it was Exe), hammering based on half-read posts. (even if it didn`t lynch someone, it sure did terminate discussion, resulting in a risky nomination result).
And the attack on amrun`s power (as if he knew it could be a threat to scum, but town can`t possibly know that yet)

Although that last one somewhat took a blow with amrun`s terrible claim, the first still stands.
The possibility of bussing or amrun not flipping do not completely shatter the imag case though.
(I don`t consider smargaret any more likely to be buddies with amrun)

1. Amrun
2. imag
3. smarg