268: Bugsy Malone Mafia - Game over. Mod learns lesson

[Fritzler]

C_D-clear(because of the claim of fritzler being kuckles before he claimed)

Umm that was stark

[chaotic_diablo]

I received info on Tamuz's role. I did a little research and the description I got matched up with Bugsy.
I'm not quite sure of Pariah. Despite what I posted earlier, I was just posting possible ways in which Pariah might have been scum and suspicions that might back it up. It was more of a post to disprove broomhead's observations. It does not necesarily reflect my own suspicions. Still, he did answer some of my questions.
My info on her matches with her role, but it can't tell her alignment. I believe her charater did try to interefere with Busy's relationship with Blousey a few times, but I'm not sure that qualifies enough to actually be an SK.
Why are the masons so sure that their own teammates aren't scum? I know that supposively that masons are innocent, but there is a character in the movie that does double deal and betray Fat Sam.

I'd like to see people to mention the mod less.

[chaotic_diablo]

[quote]My info on her matches with her role, but it can't tell her alignment. I believe her charater did try to interefere with Busy's relationship with Blousey a few times, but I'm not sure that qualifies enough to actually be an SK. [/quote[ I was referring to Meme. Sorry, I forgot.

[broomhead]

C_D-clear(because of the claim of fritzler being kuckles before he claimed)

Umm that was stark

oh man that was stark? whoops, my bad. well then C_D, no offense but it seems all of your information was a little late, by that i mean you gave us only things we could have figured out ourselves. to be truthful, i don't like that you claimed back up cop, am i wrong on this too? only because a cop isn't that important in this ind of game, and if a scum chose to try and be a back up cop, then he could even prove the town-ness of his scum buddies. just playing devil's advocate you know?

[Tamuz]

The thing is broomhead the four of us who are not masons cannot take the masonry at face value. I don't know what is going on, but we can lose a mason and still have the town at either a 3:2 or 4:1 advantge over the scum.
And anyone honestly thinking I cannot be innocent when it is rather obvious I am Bugsy, who must be good by ViQles earlier quotatons, is crazy.

As far as the Meme testing goes, that is innane. In the situation that she is mafia: her NK'll work and bam, NOTHING IS PROVED. Aye. I'm not excited about lynching a claimed mason, but my mind tells how much I will kick myself if we lose because we didn't check them.

vote:Broomhead

[Adele]

My info on her [MeMe] matches with her role, but it can't tell her alignment. I believe her charater did try to interefere with Busy's relationship with Blousey a few times, but I'm not sure that qualifies enough to actually be an SK.

Nope, it was Tallulah (Aelyn) who tried to interfere with Bugsy and Blousey's relationship. Here's what Maz's site had to say about Lena:

Big New York stage director Oscar De Velt is auditioning replacements for his big show. A parade of bad performers stream across the stage until Blousey gets her turn. Before she can sing a note, Lena Marelli, the missing star struts back in (“Show Business”).

And that's it. She wasn't a "hero or comedy 'sidekick'" in the movie, and her only actions and relationships were negative; that's why I'm so suspicious of her.

And this is something I don't like to say, but if broomhead is scum, then he's a much better player at night than in the daytime. Y'know, I can't point you to stuff, but the mason has discussed stuff a lot; steered one another this way or that, and both Fritzler and broomhead have steered me towards distrust in folk who turned out to be scum and steered me away from distrusting from folk who turned out to be innocent.

@Tamuz: WTF? Are you seriously suggesting that all three masons might in fact be scum? If not, then your plan of "lynch one to prove the others" wouldn't work

anyway

.

@MeMe: ah. Well, I don't doubt your powers so much as your allegiance, so I don't know how valuable "testing" you would be.

[broomhead]

And anyone honestly thinking I cannot be innocent when it is rather obvious I am Bugsy, who must be good by ViQles earlier quotatons, is crazy.

what i mean my

Tamuz, though never seeing the movie, i think a character named after a movie(movie name, Bugsy malone-character name, Bugsy Malone) i mean, if i am not mistaken, he claimed early and that would be a bit risky claiming BM when i am SURE there will be someone named BM.

i meant that you

would

be inncocent.

[MeMe]

Consider this: If one of the masons is an SK -- steering conversation at night toward mafia wouldn't mean much. Also, if one of the masons is a baddie with investigation protection, even fellow masons questioning the mod about alignment would yield "innocent" or "no comment." I still haven't seen the movie, so if someone who has could say for certain that the double-crosser mentioned earlier

isn't

one of the masons, that'd be great.

As for testing me: if I'm a mafia member, my kill should turn up the way the mafia kill did. If I'm a vig (or even SK) it should turn up differently -- at least I could prove I'm not mafia by testing me.

Now -- why is everyone ignoring the no-lynch idea? It seems the smartest by far to me. If we're lynching, I still prefer it to be someone without potentially town-helping abilities (Tamuz or a mason).

[Adele]

MeMe: what if (again, as a possibility) we lynched Pariah or Chaotic-Diablo and you vigged Tamuz. I mean, if the other plan was that we lynch Tamuz and you vig Pariah or C_D, this way the same people die...

[MeMe]

As I said, I

prefer

a no-lynch -- seems the plan with the least risk.

But I'll probably join any plan that gives town a decent chance of survival -- and I believe that means keeping Pariah out of the noose today. It's not really the same thing to reverse the suggested lynchee and viggee (?) -- even though it'd wind up with the same two dead at the hands of the town. Lynching Pariah robs us of one more night of protection if he IS the doc while lynching Tamuz robs us of no action.

[Adele]

Sorry, I don't mean to ignore the no-lynch option; to clarify, I'm against it, very strongly.

If you think Pariah could protect during a night he died, then that does change my plan. Would you be okay, then, with lynching C_D and vigging Tamuz?

I just want to be clear on who would be okay with killing whom so we can find a solution that's satisfactory to a majority.

[MeMe]

Why

are you against a no-lynch?

[MeMe]

Oh, and I'm fine with a c_d lynch and a Tamuz vig.

[Adele]

Why

are you against a no-lynch?

Because it increases the ratio of scum actions to town actions . If you felt very certain about the innocence of two others, I think you'd feel safer and happier killing potential scum than no-lynching.

[Tamuz]

What does Meme vigging proove?
If she is scum or SK, it says nothing.

[Adele]

What does Meme vigging proove?
If she is scum or SK, it says nothing.

Well, no, because if she's mafia, we can expect 1 kill, but if she's an sk or a vig, we can expect 2 kills - hers, plus the scum's. So if there's 1 kill tomorrow or the wrong people died, we lynch her. Otherwise, we look at the facts we have at the time and move forward from there.

[Pariah]

Well, no, because if she's mafia, we can expect 1 kill, but if she's an sk or a vig, we can expect 2 kills - hers, plus the scum's. So if there's 1 kill tomorrow or the wrong people died, we lynch her. Otherwise, we look at the facts we have at the time and move forward from there.

What if the scum no hit, or I block their hit via doctoring?

[Pariah]

What is the current vote count?

[Adele]

Good question - I can't see the mafia no-killing, not when things (hopefully) are going so badly for them anyway. Here's a suggestion. It might be a bit "out there", but I'm at least going to mention it as a possibility.

We lynch Tamuz. Pariah

promises

to protect either broomhead or C_D. C_D

promises

to investigate broomhead. MeMe

promises

to vig Pariah.

Come morning, we almost certainly would have confirmation on broomhead's name and thus allegiance, so broomhead and Fritzler would both be confirmed, and we have more information on MeMe. Downside is, it's fairly likely that MeMe, Fritzler or I would die.

[Adele]

Unofficial Vote Count

MeMe: 2 (broomhead, Fritzler)
Tamuz: 1 (Adele)
Broomhead: 1 (Tamuz)

4 to lynch

[Pariah]

Good question -

I can't see the mafia no-killing, not when things (hopefully) are going so badly for them anyway.

Wait, what?

If it's a good play, I can certainly see them skipping their hit, making MeMe (assuming MeMe is pro town or not in the mafia) look bad, MeMe gets lynched, and then they basically are where they were last night, but with an extra player dead.

Here's a suggestion. It might be a bit "out there", but I'm at least going to mention it as a possibility.

We lynch Tamuz. Pariah

promises

to protect either broomhead or C_D. C_D

promises

to investigate broomhead. MeMe

promises

to vig Pariah.

Come morning, we almost certainly would have confirmation on broomhead's name and thus allegiance, so broomhead and Fritzler would both be confirmed, and we have more information on MeMe. Downside is, it's fairly likely that MeMe, Fritzler or I would die.

The problem is that C_D's hints are rather vague. (Even assuming he's pro town.) They could be construed to match the character, or C_D could die because I picked to protect Broomhead.

Tamuz is Bugsy Malone. For some reason, that doesn't sound like a good lynch to me, really.

Also, just because Broomhead could be hypothetically be cleared, doesn't mean you or Fritzler will be, still leaving us with our little problem.

[Pariah]

Also, thank you for the unofficial vote count.

[Tamuz]

If we kill a non-mason I would rank the four of us the following way as far as who I'd kill

1. CD
2. Meme
3. Pariah
4. Myself

[Adele]

C_D's hint will tell us at least if broomhead's name-claim was truthful or not. If you promise to protect either C_D or broomhead, the mafia will probably attack elsewhere. Stark (now confirmed cop) confirmed Fritzler's nameclaim, so you can at least trust that. I still don't entirely trust Tamuz, but it sounds like a lot of people do.

Look, I'm on board to lynch or test MeMe. If you're okay with lynching her but not any of the other options that have been floated, vote for her, and I'll cast vote 4. This is an open invitation.
Otherwise, please suggest another path to take - preferably one that doesn't involve lynching broomhead or Fritzler.

[Adele]

Sorry, Tamuz, didn't see you there.