Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (Game Over)

[Kise]

DDD is off the hook to you?

[Papa Zito]

2.)PZ shoots one of (Faraday / SSBF)
2a.)The other gets lynched.

Why just these two.

[SpyreX]

Not by any means (he's a fine block target in the blockin' pool). Just a -bit- more confident (and yelling) about faraday un SSBF (and SSBF makes DDD unlikely).

In that beautiful world where they were scum together it'd be pretty much a massacre.

[zoraster]

Day 2 Vote Count

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Faraday ( 1 ) SpyreX,

(L - 5 )

Hoopla ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Kise ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Lady LambdaDelta ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Papa Zito ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

PranaDevil ( 2 ) Papa Zito, Lady LambdaDelta,

(L - 4 )

quadz08 ( 2 ) Hoopla, PranaDevil,

(L - 4 )

Slaxx ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

SpyreX ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan ( 3 ) Faraday, Slaxx, Kise,

(L - 3 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 3 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro, quadz08, Super Smash Bros. Fan,
Total Votes ( 11 )

Deadline: June 2nd at 23:00 EDT
7 Days Banked
With 11 able to vote, 6 needed to lynch.

[Faraday]

I went for 3-shot blocker, I figured investigative and killing roles would be gone first and I could stop a kill with it if I had some confident town reads.

Initial thoughts:
1.Kise blows all his shots tonight within a pool.
2.)PZ shoots one of (Faraday / SSBF)
2a.)The other gets lynched.
3.)Tracker tracks someone NOT being shot and NOT being blocked (this, at this point, is a pretty narrow pool).
4.)Hoopla checks quadz.

When SSBF flips scum you better have a back-up vig plan or I swear I'll be very angry.

I'm okay with this, although I could see scum high up fakeclaiming vanilla as rolecop to try and get a goon cop to clear them. Do you think that's a posibillity?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This plan is ignoring Prana.

I disapprove.

[SpyreX]

When SSBF flips scum you better have a back-up vig plan or I swear I'll be very angry.

ACTUALLY, I could see swapping you two (DDD/SSBF) if SSBF flips town. Maybe.

Its not ignoring Prana - its pretty obvious he's the tracker so lets kill some bits and give some breathin room. Both the vigs going that low (and Slaxx who is pretty town) is a help quite a bit.

[Hoopla]

Initial thoughts about the massclaim so far;

I refuse to believe that so many of the VT's went for Tracker - it's kind of astonishing. Of the top three, quadz' claim is most suspicious, though I'm not completely sold on Prana or Kise. Prana going for Tracker to block the town could be possible, but I think there might have been better options for scum in that situation.

The vigs falling that far is like PYP2 all over again, with nobody going for it early, it somehow slipped through the cracks.

Zito

and

Slaxx;

why did you go for the vigs?

The good news is, we know at least one of them is town, which means worst-case scenario is three mislynches/one vig shot - possibly two vig shots if both are town.

One of the nillas are lying. No freaking way am I the only person to consider 3SRB.
Also: Rolecop?

SpyreX's plan is shenanigans.

Conspiracy theory #1: Quadz is the Role-Cop. SpyreX is scum with quadz. Quadz fakeclaims VT to get "cleared" by the Goon Cop. Granted, that's a very specific (and overall, unlikely) outcome, but it could feasibly work for any other VT's (not just quadz), especially if the Role-Cop were on a suspicious player, or scum didn't want to have to claim a result.

I'm mildly suspicious of SpyreX's proposal; why exactly are we lynching/vigging Faraday and SSBF? Why does quadz get an out? SpyreX, you've declared a town read on the top three; why aren't you attacking me? By PoE, that should make me scum; unless you think scum have doubled up somewhere. The fact you're trying to direct traffic away from the top based on flimsy town reads is worrying me.

If SSBF isn't scum, SpyreX almost certainly is.

[Slaxx]

I was going to go for night 3 vig regardless of my position (unless first, in which case I wanted night 2) because I've pulled VT my last 100000 games and the only other thing I have ever been on site is cop, so as selfish as it was I wanted something different. Vig was the perfect escape from it. Also, I get a hard-on on being right when other people argue with me and vig is the perfect I told you so role.

[Hoopla]

Initial thoughts:
1.Kise blows all his shots tonight within a pool.
2.)PZ shoots one of (Faraday / SSBF)
2a.)The other gets lynched.
3.)Tracker tracks someone NOT being shot and NOT being blocked (this, at this point, is a pretty narrow pool).
4.)Hoopla checks quadz.

1) Stupid. How big is this pool? Having a locked pool means if one scum is out of it, they know their kill will succeed, and even have the option of no-killing for the wifoms.
2) Stupid, as I said in my last post. You're conveniently ignoring numbers, despite being a vocal advocate of them once upon a time.
2a) Stupid, as this doesn't account for what the lynchee flips.
3) Fair enough, if we were to go down to path of crafting actions exactly.
4) I should check a VT obviously, but quadz should be one of the deaths.

[quadz08]

I don't think we'll hit a unified plan with this many players left alive, espeically with the wide range of scumreads (I think everybody is a scumread from at least one person) present in this game.

DDD: I see your logic. I don't think I agree with it, but I thiiiiiiink I understand it.

Faraday: You do realize that the ONLY VT above 7 is me (unless SpyreX wrote something down wrong), who you've repeatedly called town without a doubt? Also, your claim of going for 3SRB AFTER Kise just said "MAN NONE OF THE VTS HAVE CLAIMED 3SRB THOSE SCUMMY LIARS" is ringing ALL OF THE BELLS to me.

MY TURN FOR SETUP SPEC GUYS:

By numerical (not draft) order:

8. Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 1 , 1 ) VT - Gunsmith
9. SpyreX ( 1 , 1 ) VT - Goon Cop
7. Super Smash Bros. Fan ( 1 , 3 ) VT - Tracker
1. Kise ( 2 , 2 ) 3-Shot RB
2. PranaDevil ( 3 , 1 ) Tracker
12. Faraday ( 6 , 1 ) VT - BLUEBERRIES
13. Slaxx ( 6 , 1 ) 3NV
10. Lady LambdaDelta ( 6 , 2 ) VT -Tracker
11. Papa Zito ( 6 , 9 ) 2NV

3. GreyICE ( 7 , 1 ) JK

4. quadz08 ( 8 , 13 ) VT-Tracker

5. Hoopla ( 9 , 1 ) Goon Cop

6. Amrun ( 9 , 3 ) Gunsmith

Based purely off of this list, Hoopla is immediately scaring the shit out of me. I find it very hard to believe that scum didn't pick a high number, and Hoopla is the only high number alive that isn't me, who is town. Also, I know that I personally went into Team Mafia saying that if my team's PyP role was scum, I was going to tell whoever played to pick Goon Cop for WIFOM-ness, and honestly, Hoopla has got the stones to do it, and the rep/ability to pull it off. Also, thinking about the top of this list, is it too much of a stretch to see a Hoopla scum-team going for all-WIFOM? (i.e., Prana as scum-tracker / the scum in the top of the draft?)

That all said:

VOTE: Faraday.

Scumreads b4 setup spec. Prana is a good lynch too, IMO.

[Faraday]

Faraday: You do realize that the ONLY VT above 7 is me (unless SpyreX wrote something down wrong), who you've repeatedly called town without a doubt? Also, your claim of going for 3SRB AFTER Kise just said "MAN NONE OF THE VTS HAVE CLAIMED 3SRB THOSE SCUMMY LIARS" is ringing ALL OF THE BELLS to me.

Why? I went last, I could have just as easily said anything else...

[Faraday]

And what on earth? SSBF is also vanilla...?

[Papa Zito]

This plan is ignoring Prana.

I disapprove.

+1

Zito

and

Slaxx

; why did you go for the vigs?

Vig is my favorite and my best. I'm more wondering why nobody else went for the vigs.

Why are you basing Spy's possible alignment on goofy conspiracy theories.

[Faraday]

Anyway, now that we've massclaimed let's get back to lynching SSBF.

[Hoopla]

That all said:

VOTE: Faraday.

Scumreads b4 setup spec. Prana is a good lynch too, IMO.

Seriously? You spend your entire post rambling on about me, and don't even consider me a viable lynch?

Here's a pretty jarring inconsistency in how quadz' is viewing the game;

She then presents a case on me that is, as far as I can tell, active lurking and my vote remaining on LLD.

She then proceeds to vote for me, despite the fact that her case on Prana is much stronger

. Now, I had a town-read on Hoops for all of D1, but her voting for someone that doesn't seem to make logical sense based on her post is not what I would expect from a town-Hoopla. +scumpoints

You attack me for analysing the game, and supposedly placing a vote on my weaker scumread. Look who's doing that now. You haven't even mentioned Faraday AT ALL in your iso before now. And the single point you raise on Faraday in this post is bogus. Is that

really

your best lead? I am not buying it. Quadz is today's lynch.

[quadz08]

You read my ISO, hoopla. I said I was gonna shuffle my reads based on claim-stuff. They've been shuffled.

[Hoopla]

Why are you basing Spy's possible alignment on goofy conspiracy theories.

SpyreX is a better player than this, and his plans seem too stupid to be genuine. The key point is him clearing the top three, directing traffic to SSBF/Faraday, despite casually ignoring how stupid it is because of numbers. If none of the top three are scum (which SpyreX is implying without coming out and saying it directly), I must be scum, or scum have doubled up in the 1's or 6's. Not even considering me seems like he's avoiding confrontation, either consciously or subconsciously, which reveals an agenda attempting to divert attention from the top.

If SSBF is town, SpyreX is scum. You can bank on it.

[Hoopla]

You read my ISO, hoopla. I said I was gonna shuffle my reads based on claim-stuff. They've been shuffled.

[SpyreX]

How about you spend less time calling me stupid and more time claiming your results which may actually have a bearing on things.

Speaking of stupid:

1) Stupid. How big is this pool? Having a locked pool means if one scum is out of it, they know their kill will succeed, and even have the option of no-killing for the wifoms.
2) Stupid, as I said in my last post. You're conveniently ignoring numbers, despite being a vocal advocate of them once upon a time.
2a) Stupid, as this doesn't account for what the lynchee flips.
3) Fair enough, if we were to go down to path of crafting actions exactly.
4) I should check a VT obviously, but quadz should be one of the deaths.

1.) Ohh the wifoms! As for the pool that should be readily apparent: not the PR's.
2.) Yes I am ignoring numbers - if by that you mean not killing from the top. Since its not an accident there's a 1 and a 6 there (also not an accident I could see swapping for DDD if SSBF was town). Additionally, this versus going quadz at the moment if it gives us a scum in either set gives a much better position into the days coming.
2a.) Maybe because I could see them being scum together? SSBF is an absolute non entity and I've been yelled at enough in the QT that I'm fine with faraday taking the rope. Quadz is getting OMG META DEFENSE and I'm not fighting that fight today.
3.) Thats pretty much what I'm doing.
4.) Go for it and check whoever you want yeehaw.

If SSBF isn't scum, SpyreX almost certainly is.

Go for it. If one of SSBF/Faraday isn't scum we can dance.

P-Edit: Thanks for all the stupids. Thats really cool and awesome.

[Hoopla]

How about you spend less time calling me stupid and more time claiming your results which may actually have a bearing on things.

Sorry. I'm probably getting unnecessarily worked up - don't take offense. Your plan was really very poor, though, and I expected better from you. You know I still love you.

I checked Slaxx N1 (obviously). Not a goon.

[SpyreX]

I did take offense. I do take offense.

Especially since you've been firmly in the ivory tower and popped your head out to go "STUPID STUPID" and yet, alas, nay an actual plan. Leave that to the plebs I guess.

Guess I must have been stupid yesterday too when I all but screamed for the GC to check Faraday because that was the one that would have been real nice to have.

[Hoopla]

SpyreX is a better player than this, and his plans seem too

stupid

silly to be genuine. The key point is him clearing the top three, directing traffic to SSBF/Faraday, despite casually ignoring how

stupid

silly it is because of numbers. If none of the top three are scum (which SpyreX is implying without coming out and saying it directly), I must be scum, or scum have doubled up in the 1's or 6's. Not even considering me seems like he's avoiding confrontation, either consciously or subconsciously, which reveals an agenda attempting to divert attention from the top.

If SSBF is town, SpyreX is scum. You can bank on it.

I modified this post to make it nicer. Things aren't adding up Spy. You set a precedent for your willingness to use numbers (and in what amounts) earlier in the game. You can't ignore them now when you need a mislynch.

[SpyreX]

THEN CALL ME SCUM AND VOTE ME. Stop teeheeing around it.

I'm really not in the mood for this.

Kise is town. Prana read way more genuine today. Quadz, again, his "toobad4scum" meta aside had a pretty huge townslip earlier.

You, the proposed goon cop, could be useful if town and if not you'll go soon.

So *gasp* Who does that leave? SSBF. An absolute non-entity. Who's claimed a triple up.
And with a pair of vigs (and Slaxx being pretty town) and LLD being town? Ohhh SNAP WHO DAT BE IN THE SIXES.

[Faraday]

Not lynching SSBF today makes me cry. Don't make me cry. Irish eyes are better when they're smiling and all that.