268: Bugsy Malone Mafia - Game over. Mod learns lesson

[Fritzler]

Are we agreed that Tamuz is the

least

useful of the three?

yes.

[Adele]

Tamuz is the least

potentially

useful, yes - but also least likely to actually be scum. I'm okay with losing him, though.

[Adele]

Fritzler! Hi! Your thoughts,

please

, lest this turn into a two-pony show (there's every chance I'm using that phrase incorrectly).

[Fritzler]

Fritzler! Hi! Your thoughts,

please

, lest this turn into a two-pony show (there's every chance I'm using that phrase incorrectly).

I don't really have any thoughts. I'm trying to think as to whether pariah or the cop<who again? is more useful. I'm thinking the cop. (especially in this game). I would love the cop to check you or broom tonight and lynch tamuz have meme vig the doc.Then in day...we'll see waht goes down.

The main reason is, if there is a four person scumgroup, i could see meme/pariah being entirely possible. (She seems rather defensive of him).

[Adele]

Chaotic_Diablo's cop. I'd be okay with that if you and broomhead think it's wise.

So, the provisional plan would be "Lynch Tamuz, set MeMe vigging Pariah, and ask Chaotic_Diablo to investigate Adele or broomhead (either as C_D prefers, or decided in conference with other non-masons)"?

[Fritzler]

As c_D prefers mos def

[Adele]

Probably best he doesn't tell us his intentions either.

[Fritzler]

Probably best he doesn't tell us his intentions either.

mos def

ps if i die soon i'll replace for you

[Adele]

okay, then

unvote, vote Tamuz

ps if i die soon i'll replace for you

ta

[Fritzler]

okay, then

unvote, vote Tamuz

ps if i die soon i'll replace for you

ta

Hold thurrr turbo. You're supposed to be the one that advocates talking. I'm supposed to be the one that moves my vote around.

[Adele]

Oh, you're not sure about it?

The only thing is that wherever my vote is 3 hours from now might be where my vote stays for 3 more days, so I want to come to a decision for the short-term, but potentially for the day, as soon as I can.

[Fritzler]

Oh, you're not sure about it?

The only thing is that wherever my vote is 3 hours from now might be where my vote stays for 3 more days, so I want to come to a decision for the short-term, but potentially for the day, as soon as I can.

Well i'm sure but we shouldn't quick lynch with out meme and c_d agreeing to the plan.

[Pariah]

@Pariah: I know. I get how frustrated you all must be with us (especially, probably, with me) and I know I'd be pissed off if I was in your position. It's a little frustrating (though not nearly so much) for me that I can't give you what you want; I can just tell you that I have reasons to trust them even above and beyond the whole "mod confirmed them in strongest possible terms; if either of them were scum, then I'd never sign up to a vIQleS game again and would OMGUS vote him unto eternity" argument.

That's all nice and wonderful. But it doesn't do me any good.

I'm also understandably not a fan of the plan involving myself being vigged.

The last page disturbs me. The three of you act like you literally own the town or something.

I

really

want to vote for Broomhead or Fritzler right now, (the former more than the later), but I feel like I'm being taken for a ride if I go that way, and MeMe's claim would fit as SK...with several other options.

Bah. More discussion it is. I would appreciate if the masons were not so hasty to end the day, however.

[Adele]

We don't

own

it, but we

are

in a position to forcibly make certain decisions (assuming broomhead joins us; I think I'd support any majority mason decision and I think he would too).

The sk point might be relevant though. MeMe, do you have a useful answer to this?

[broomhead]

i am not sure i do join you, the reason, now more than before is if MeMe was town, and we had 3/4 votes on her for about 24 hours, then why didn't a mafia "agree" with us and lynch MeMe. want to know why? because the town is unsure and MeMe's mafia buddy doesnt want to do it. i tell ya, if MeMe weren't mafia, she'd be dead right now.

[Fritzler]

The sk point might be relevant though. MeMe, do you have a useful answer to this?

What do you expert to her to say? I'm not a sk?

[Adele]

if MeMe was town, and we had 3/4 votes on her for about 24 hours, then why didn't a mafia "agree" with us and lynch MeMe

Or because mafia knows we'll look hard at them tomorrow, or (Tamuz will argue) one of the masons is the scum.

The sk point might be relevant though. MeMe, do you have a useful answer to this?

What do you expert to her to say? I'm not a sk?

And provide a way for us to believe her - or at least how the "let MeMe live" plan would pan out well for the town if she were sk.

[MeMe]

Um. I'm not an SK. Satisfied?

And broomhead

would

be right...

IF there is a third scum rather than a two-person group and
IF that third scum doesn't believe that there's an SK (or, if there is, they don't believe I'm it) and
IF none of three masons are the scum -- which would, of course, explain quite neatly why I'm not dead yet.

Also, if you seriously think I'm the SK or the lone remaining scum, there's absolutely no risk in no-lynching -- which is actually my preference. That way we won't go down three town (bad lynch, scum kill, my vig) for no reason. At worst, we'll be down two town if we no-lynch -- at best, one scum.

[Pariah]

MeMe, are you sure it's vigging, or is it

IMPLIED

, because that makes a world of difference.

[MeMe]

unvote: Adele

But I'll hold off voting Tamuz until we talk some more -- I especially want to hear what both Tamuz's and chaotic's reactions are.

[MeMe]

As I said, I assumed I was an SK and I questioned vIQles -- his reply told me that the person whose dreams I crushed would be out of the game but that I'm pro-town.

So, whether or not it shows up as a kill, I don't know. But the effect is the same.

[Adele]

okay, but say for one moment that MeMe is sk and C_D's the remaining scum. Then say we lynch Tamuz, and next morning Pariah's dead and so's, say, Fritzler - much what you'd expect if MeMe were telling the truth. What would we do then? Especially if C_D claimed that broomhead's claim was false.

[chaotic_diablo]

I'm a bit confused here. Could someone list the roles and names of each person?

[Adele]

Player name - claimed character name, claimed ability:

Adele - Fat Sam, in mason with Fritzler & broomhead
Fritzler - Knuckles, co-mason
broomhead - Snake-eyes, co-mason
Chaotic_Diablo - O'Dreary, back-up rolename cop
Pariah - Fizzy, doc
MeMe - Lena Marelli, self-protector/vigilante
Tamuz - Bugsy Malone, now vanilla

Also, I'm not going to be away this weekend after all. Sorry for getting your hopes up.

[broomhead]

so take a second to see it from my perspective,

adele-clear,

fritzler-clear,

Broomhead-clear,

C_D-clear(because of the claim of fritzler being kuckles before he claimed)

Pariah-can't be sure, but only one person who claimed doc, so...

MeMe-not clear, i've got no pro town info from her but her word, and i believe she does have a hide/night kill ability just so you all know.

Tamuz, though never seeing the movie, i think a character named after a movie(movie name, Bugsy malone-character name, Bugsy Malone) i mean, if i am not mistaken, he claimed early and that would be a bit risky claiming BM when i am SURE there will be someone named BM.

so, to wrap up, i am keeping my vote for now.