Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (Game Over)

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #550 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:16 am

Prana, why is Quadz scum?

SpyreX · Post Post #551 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:24 am

Look at it this way - if we went ahead with a bottom-up massclaim and nobody claimed roleblocker, we're screwed. Scum doesn't have to claim the RB, and we've just given them complete information. And if it's in the hands of anyone halfway competent who's not in the limelight today, you've lost tonight's actions (and a town PR), and possibly more the next night.

That's why I was saying top-down. NOW, it could be bad if no one claims RB but if ohh, SSBF claims VT-RB then we've got a party underway.

I'm going to be awol some today but I'm almost positive prana has pulled a 180 from d1 to today in regards to number theory / et all. Which I dnt like.

Kise · Post Post #552 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:36 am

THIS IS BUUULLSHIIT.LYNCH THE MOTHERFUCKING SMASH BROS, STOP GIVEM SCUM TIME TOCOAST THROUGH SUSPICION

Kise · Post Post #553 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:38 am

FUCK THIS FIGHT. DONT MAKE ME CLAIM DAMMIT

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #554 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:42 am

Kise wrote:THIS IS BUUULLSHIIT.LYNCH THE MOTHERFUCKING SMASH BROS, STOP GIVEM SCUM TIME TOCOAST THROUGH SUSPICION

Don't worry. He dies tomorrow.

But Prana needs to die. Today.

Faraday · Post Post #555 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:45 am

HURR DURR I PLAYED MORE PYP GAMES THAN YOU. I've played 3 , haven't found number theory especially useful in any of them at all. Whatever it works for others but dismissing people b/c they've not played a game is stupid.

Stay the course LLD. Stay the course. You know what SSBF needs to come back to.

Faraday · Post Post #556 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:47 am

Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:
I think people who are trying to clear quadz based on meta-gaming are making a serious mistake. First, he’s almost certainly on a team with Singersinger who flipped scum in the completed game which already makes it more likely that he’d have to take a scum PM changing the dynamics of things significantly.

I don't understand what you mean with the last sentence. Re-phrase? Am I being dumb?

PranaDevil · Post Post #557 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:49 am

If I've pulled a 180 Spyrex, I want you to show it, as I don't feel I have. There's a few points I may have taken note of after it's been mentioned by others, and re-assessed (But I can't think of any), but not a 180.

Top down claims are pointless, scum can simply say "I went for X that's already been announced, and got VT", the only people who could detect scum there would be the Goon Cop and the Tracker.

And LLD go look at Quadz in ISO. But if you want it hand drawn for you:
First post may as well not be there, although he really stupidly tries claiming that all scum "could" be at the bottom (lols) or at the top (still lols). Facts are facts, and the ONLY way all scum could be at the bottom is if they're stupid.
Second post is pretty much just a vote for LLD
Third post now tries saying that scum wouldn't double up, which goes against his initial post.
Fourth post is pretty much part of a short back and forth with LLD, which doesn't really go anywhere, looks like distancing while still trying to keep people off of her wagon that SSBF was pushing (might explain why she's so desperate to push him in fact).
Fifth post is just "I know nuthin'"
Sixth post is agreeing with LLD... He seems to be supporting LLD more suddenly, strange.
Seventh is nothing much again
Eighth and Ninth may as well not be there.

In fact, I can see very, very little in the way of actually DOING anything in his ISO. Outside of the first post, all he seems to do is respond to others, and never post unless responding to someone else very badly.

Lynch Quadz today.

Also, you called Quadz town quickly after he argued against a case made on you... Quadz for his side of things has done pretty much sod all all game, but dumped a vote on you early day 1, and has left it there ever since. It stinks of scum distancing at the moment.

P-Edit:
Kise, if SSBF is scum, that means LLD is town... and from her actions she can't be... don't make me have to have LLD as town

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In fact Kise, can you give me a 100% guarentee that SSBF will flip scum? If so I'll vote him now, on the one condition that tomorrow we take out Quadz.

Faraday · Post Post #558 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:51 am

Wait, what LLD isn't town Prana?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #559 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:53 am

Faraday wrote:Wait, what LLD isn't town Prana?

Yeah. You missed that?

He started calling me scum immediately after I voted him.

Faraday · Post Post #560 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:55 am

haha sorry tI've not slept in 24 hours and have had a few drinks.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #561 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:57 am

Faraday wrote:haha sorry tI've not slept in 24 hours and have had a few drinks.

Sounds like a party~

PranaDevil · Post Post #562 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 5:59 am

She's either scum deliberately ignoring stuff that is actually useful in favour of not having to lynch scum buddy Quadz (See: Her refusal to vote anywhere bar SSBF, despite the fact that there's scum above SSBF that is more dangerous, and her subsequent ignoring of the fact that the lower scum are on the list, the less likely they are to have a role, and hitting scum with roles is much better than scum without roles).

Or, she's town playing badly by refusing to listen to anything of actual use in favour of "My scum reads are more important than anyone elses experience of the game".

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #563 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 6:03 am

PranaDevil wrote:She's either scum deliberately ignoring stuff that is actually useful in favour of not having to lynch scum buddy Quadz (See:
Her refusal to vote anywhere bar SSBF
, despite the fact that there's scum above SSBF that is more dangerous, and her subsequent ignoring of the fact that the lower scum are on the list, the less likely they are to have a role, and hitting scum with roles is much better than scum without roles).

Or, she's town playing badly by refusing to listen to anything of actual use in favour of "My scum reads are more important than anyone elses experience of the game".

Oh Yeah. I totally won't vote anyone but SSBF.

That's why my vote is on you right now.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #564 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 6:05 am

And Prana, guess what?

My scum reads? They're more important to me than anyone elses. I will make my own reads and I will not be controlled by anyone else.

Further, it's not like you even had a real case on quadz. Like, until I pushed you for it, it was non-existent.

And your current case on him is weak at best.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #565 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 6:05 am

Also, my scum reads are infinitely more important to me than your setup speculation.

PranaDevil · Post Post #566 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 6:13 am

Fuck setup speculation. There are some things that are just known in these games.

Scum wont all pick the same number.

It's highly unlikely scum will pick the same first numbers as it would throw them down the list.

People nearer the top of the list are more likely to get roles.

Scum with roles get to use those roles AND kill if need be (so the vig could target two people tonight for instance, if it was chosen by scum).

It's hardly speculation when it's stuff that's known through knowledge of playing the games. Scum nearer the top are more dangerous than scum lower down the list.

Do you find it better to lynch a scum roleblocker that can block AND kill the same night, or a basic scum goon? It's the first isn't it? Of course it is, thus why would we be concerned about lower down the list?

And you're voting me for bullshit reasons yourself, thus your vote means shit to me, you've been pushing SSBF like fucking crazy, and have been desperate to get shot of him for some reason. Now if Kise can guarentee he'll flip scum, I'll lynch him, but if he flips town, you had better be tonight's vig kill if that vig is town. If he flips scum, then you're safe.

Kise · Post Post #567 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 6:29 am

QUADZ: please reply to my question. - My iso #2.

Hoopla · Post Post #568 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:35 am

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm actually rather uneasy about a quadz lynch right now.

I REALLY don't like the people on his wagon.

Myself and Prana? I don't recall you being anti-me. Can you explain this to me?

That post juts out at a weird angle to me.

"Don't like the people on his wagon"

is empty propaganda, devoid of reason and in this case, doesn't represent what the quadz wagon actually is - two people. Stating it in that manner reads like you're opposing more than you actually are. Can you also explain your town read (I assume this is what it is) on quadz?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #569 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:38 am

Hoopla wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'm actually rather uneasy about a quadz lynch right now.

I REALLY don't like the people on his wagon.

Myself and Prana? I don't recall you being anti-me. Can you explain this to me?

That post juts out at a weird angle to me.
"Don't like the people on his wagon"
is empty propaganda, devoid of reason and in this case, doesn't represent what the quadz wagon actually is - two people. Stating it in that manner reads like you're opposing more than you actually are. Can you also explain your town read (I assume this is what it is) on quadz?

I thought it was Prana and Zito on Quadz's wagon. My bad.

No, I don't have a negative opinion of you. You're null-leaning town.

Hoopla · Post Post #570 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:39 am

Prana and Lady Lambadelta aren't both scum together. Their spat has been too lucid - you can't fake those reactions to each other. Very genuine.

zoraster · Post Post #571 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:40 am

Day 2 Vote Count

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Faraday ( 1 ) SpyreX,

(L - 5 )

Hoopla ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Kise ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Lady LambdaDelta ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Papa Zito ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

PranaDevil ( 2 ) Papa Zito, Lady LambdaDelta,

(L - 4 )

quadz08 ( 2 ) Hoopla, PranaDevil,

(L - 4 )

Slaxx ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

SpyreX ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan ( 3 ) Faraday, Slaxx, Kise,

(L - 3 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 6 )

Not Voting ( 3 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro, quadz08, Super Smash Bros. Fan,
Total Votes ( 11 )

Deadline: June 2nd at 23:00 EDT
7 Days Banked
With 11 able to vote, 6 needed to lynch.

Hoopla · Post Post #572 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:40 am

Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I thought it was Prana and Zito on Quadz's wagon. My bad.

No, I don't have a negative opinion of you. You're null-leaning town.

Does this alter your perception of the quadz wagon?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #573 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:42 am

Also, it's not so much a town read as it is a "There's no way this person is scum with the other suspects I have" read.

I will not say that Quadz has been a protown force. He's not. But I have much stronger scum reads, and these scum reads don't mix with Quadz!scum.

Does that make sense? I'm trying to explain this as clearly as possible, but if you're still confused I'll try again.

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #574 (ISO) » Sat May 21, 2011 7:44 am

Hoopla wrote:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I thought it was Prana and Zito on Quadz's wagon. My bad.

No, I don't have a negative opinion of you. You're null-leaning town.

Does this alter your perception of the quadz wagon?

I still don't like Prana being on it.

The way Prana was on the wagon is just as meaningful as him... being on the wagon.

As I explained, Quadz certainly hasn't endeared himself as a town force. I can see why people would be suspicious. I am too.

But as I explained above, Quadz!scum doesn't work well with SSBF!scum. Or Prana!scum.