Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

[Thor665]

You have successfully identified playstyle tells. Not scum tells.

[Thor665]

Though I'll clarify - I have yet to notice any correlation between case length and case quality. Case persuasiveness...maybe, but quality? Not so much.

[SocioPath]

I had forgotten about DGB's V/LA

Which she has coasted right to.

which sucks because now the power wagon lags as we wait for her to come back. Not cool.

Really?
Wait for her to come back?
I think her lack of existence would seal the deal.
She posted up to 1 1/2 hours before my massive post.
Then she disappeared for TWO DAYS.
CONVENIENTLY UP TO AND INCLUDING THE V/LA.

[mith]

Wow, that's a lot of reach.

"But no, mith plays both sides of the table with the whole "possible slip" and "don't feel strongly about it"." - I don't feel strongly that it was actually a slip; I

do

did feel better about you (with regard to you actually scumhunting instead of... whatever you were doing up until that point) spotting something like that

could

be interpreted as a slip (whatever my own feelings about it).

"Coaching..." - Eh?

"In his mind DGB is infallible." - ?? What thread are you reading?

"ALRIGHT.
NOW THE MEAT OF THINGS." - Oh goodie.

"Eludes that my case is OMGUS. Thats a good dismissal of it to try and undermine its content." - Dismissal, absolutely. A large part of your case was and is nonsense. You screamed "look at all these contradictions, OMG!", and I found that part entirely lacking in substance. (See also: Klazam's post.)

"So he likes that I like Equinox for scum because that rides in with what he was wanting." - Or... you made a good point that I agreed with? I don't see what purpose this would serve if I were scum with DGB - there's no payoff unless DGB is lynched.

"Starting right off the bat that the wagon is dodgy.
Cause thats obvious. I mean, it came from me, right? " - Actually, I was talking about the InflatablePie "Alliance" push. But whatever.

"You are going to sit there and dismiss something because you DON'T FEEL IT WAS A CONTRADICTION?" - Er, yes, when I'm looking through a case which is based on a bunch of supposed contradictions, I am going to focus on evaluating whether or not they are actually contradictions. On reading the thread/DGB again, I realized that just because you were wrong about the contradiction didn't mean you were wrong about her being scummy.

"Takes a point, NOTING IT AS SCUMMY...AND THEN USES IT TO ALLUDE TO APPLYING IT TO DH." - What? My stance on DH has been clear - I think his trying to push LlamaFluff toward IP was scummy. This was the same scumtell from DGB (pushing Llamarble to vote for SocioPath), it's a pretty obvious analogy to make. How you go from there to "Sounds like he is reaching for reasons to convince himself of other people now.", I don't have the slightest idea.

"YES. OF COURSE YOU ARE STICKING TO DH.
A DGB VOTE FROM YOU WOULD BE A GAME ENDER AT THIS POINT." - Or: I'm town and sticking with my top suspect. (Protip: Putting things in caps lock does not make them more correct.)

"DH town = Equinox scum..." - ...That is exactly the opposite of what I said.

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I'm tempted to vote for SocioPath just because his rant is inane, but it feels town-motivated. Sotty and Thor, point taken about the DH vote not going anywhere.

Unvote: DemonHybrid
Vote: DrippingGoofball

(L-1)

[SocioPath]

I'm tempted to vote for SocioPath just because his rant is inane

Just. Because. His rant is insane.
Vote for SocioPath JUST. BECAUSE. HIS RANT IS INSANE.
Not because I'm scum, but because my rant is insane.
You know I'm not scum, and you are fishing for reasons to try and excuse a vote onto me?

"YES. OF COURSE YOU ARE STICKING TO DH.
A DGB VOTE FROM YOU WOULD BE A GAME ENDER AT THIS POINT." - Or: I'm town and sticking with my top suspect.

APPARENTLY NOT.
-Sticking with your top suspect? You are tempted vote someone you feel is town motivated JUST BECAUSE his rant is insane.
-Sticking with your top suspect? You swithced to DGB. I guess she's NUMBA ONE NOW.
-Town? Very apparently not.

BUT ALAS.
I HAVE BUT ONE VOTE.

[SocioPath]

Inane...insane...whichever.
Point is, the point is golden.
I'LL SHOW YOU INSANE.

[Thor665]

I support all theoretical supposition on the actual sanity of Sociopath.
That said, I think he has a good point with the vote switch. I'm not sure how I'm feeling about it though.

@Socio - if you believe mith's vote was scum motivated, what makes you think DGB is still his buddy and also worthy of a vote?

[mith]

Sigh. "Tempted to vote" is rhetorical. "Sticking with my top suspect" is referring to my the previous post, where I was doing exactly that. But alas, I have but one vote, and that vote wasn't going anywhere, so I moved to the next best option.

[Klazam]

Ugh. V/la until monday.

Sociopath is... Interesting.

unvote

[InflatablePie]

===[] ?

Socio: Any thoughts on a Sevei/DGB team? Likely, unlikely...?

[Sotty7]

Really?
Wait for her to come back?

I meant that in the context of wanting to see what she had to say about this wagon.

@Thor: Okay, I forgive you. Even if I don't agree RE: mith/marable.

[Sevei]

@IPie: She thinks I'm scum (post 168).

How about we strike a deal. You help me in lynching DGB. It gives you a better read on Marble and me a better read on you. If she flips scum, we lynch from her list of town/null reads and if she's town we look at her wagon for the scum that's bound to jump on. We both benefit from her flip reads-wise, so what do you say?

I'm not opposed to this, but regardless of DGB's flip, I want to lynch Marble next. He hasn't responded to my comments or questions about/to him, which reeks of scum-avoidance.

I would rather wait to hammer until after DGB's V/LA; it's just seems more polite. In the meantime, we can talk about how scummy Marble is, though.

[TheButtonmen]

D1VC7:

DGB (6): Socio, Thor, IP, Equinox, Sotty, mith
Llamarble (3): LlamaFluff, Sevei, ChrisB
Socio (1): DGB,
Thor (1): Llamarble

Not Voting: DH, Klazam

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch.
DGB is V/LA from May 19-24.

[Llamarble]

@Sevei:
I have limited access right now but I think I actually did address your L - 3 thing. I pointed it out because I checked before voting and thought the information would be useful. I point out lynch threshold often. Your other point was about me "trying to look like scumhunting anxiously," which I found beneath response. What looks like scumhunting is often scumhunting. I find my time far more usefully spent scumhunting than letting myself be locked down by answering every little nitpick with an explanation from first principles. People realize I'm town a lot faster when I'm helping find scum anyway. You said I hadn't mentioned DGB, which I think was true but I have since read her. I don't like this wagon and would appreciate no hammer at least until after I've gone home (evening 22nd) and really thoroughly evaluated the game.

[InflatablePie]

The Voices™ say that the most likely scumteam at this point is Fluff/Sevei/Thor.

My logical side says that it's DGB/{Sotty or Sevei or mith (pick 2)} with a slight chance of DH-scum.

Just noting for later.

We need more votes on DGB regardless.

[Thor665]

More votes? So is that calling for a lynch, or do you mean one vote for L-1?

And your voices are silly and not as smart as my voices.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm still working on that wall post. It'll be up in a few hours. I promise. I'm trying to get every little detail.

[InflatablePie]

More votes? So is that calling for a lynch, or do you mean one vote for L-1?

And your voices are silly and not as smart as my voices.

Either one. Nothing DGB posts will change my mind, but if anything has anyone left to add...

AND MY VOICES ARE YELLING LOUDER THAN YOUR VOICES

[Thor665]

Yeah, and you're openly disagreeing with your voices while still mentioning what they're saying as though it's a potential placeholder...stop that. We'll lynch you soon enough

[InflatablePie]

Oh damn, you caught on to my plan. Maybe I should stop being so obvscum D:

unvote vote iPie

[InflatablePie]

Also:

Either one. Nothing DGB posts will change my mind,

but if anything has anyone left to add...

Wow, I'm tired.

[TheButtonmen]

Bleh, I was hoping to have more time today for this game (and other things on site what need doing), but that's not happening. I'll be away most of the weekend, though I should have some time tomorrow morning while Michelle is at a meeting to catch up on some reading.

Interesting post L-1 reactions... Klazam making a vague statement, unvoting, and going V/LA? Sevei and Llamarble, stalling? Can't wait to see what DemonHybrid does.

Mod:

You missed my vote in 278.

Noted.

[Sotty7]

Yeah, and you're openly disagreeing with your voices while still mentioning what they're saying as though it's a potential placeholder...stop that.

Yeah this.

Holding pattens in games suck, hopefully DH and marble can add a spark soonish.

[InflatablePie]

V/LA until ??? due to the Rapture.




(that was a joke)

I can see where the whole placeholder argument thingy is coming from (scum can use it to have a fallback to blatantly hop on a wagon and blah blah), but all I can do is say that while I certainly take The Voices™ into consideration, I'm going with my own suspicions here.

And if I was being too subtle, The Voices™ was another way to refer to my team's thoughts without saying "my team" over and over. Because that's boring.

[Equinox]

Bluh.

I promised I'd have a reread done 3 days ago, and here we are today... and I haven't finished it, nor will I ever finish it because I have successfully fallen asleep while on the task somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 times, and I've been distracted by other SHINY stuff for countless times more.

Therefore, screw it. I'm forcibly ejecting myself from reread hell and just working with what I've got and what my little birdies tell me. Here is where I stand.

Town: InflatablePie, Chris B, Sotty7, Klazam, Thor665
Null: mith*, LlamaFluff*, SocioPath, Sevei
Scum: DrippingGoofball, DemonHybrid*, Llamarble*

Anyway, you're probably interested in seeing how I got to some of these, so I've marked special ones with asterisks.

LlamaFluff is listed in null, but I lean town on the guy; his explanation about not wanting to engage to prevent an unreadable back-and-forth comes off as town to me. Further, if DemonHybrid is indeed scum, LlamaFluff is much more likely to be town.

Llamarble is someone I'm waiting to hear from because the "I like [DrippingGoofball's] town read of Equinox" line caught my attention, since I'd just attacked her for that. While posting reads from an iso (especially a DrippingGoofball iso) means you're going to miss context, Llamarble posted pretty soon after I made that accusation against DrippingGoofball and should've been fairly current with the thread. Also, there's something about the constant "paranoia" about me that bugs me. For instance, I've played as town against people like Sotty7, Vi, and VP Baltar before, and those 3 are good examples of scum who I'd probably get pantsed by 10 out of 10 times; sure, I'll be paranoid about them and keep my guard up, but I wouldn't feel the need to constantly say that in the game. Looks to me like he's trying too hard to look like a paranoid townie.

Funny story about DemonHybrid that you guys aren't gonna like, but it's funny anyway, so I'mma tell you. I threw out the first vote of the day on InflatablePie because I thought I'd caught a team meta tell on him. The birdies and I had a discussion yesterday night, and we figured out that we had messed up the teams. The person the accusation should have been made on was DemonHybrid. (The moment I'm at liberty to do so, I swear I will be a lot more specific; for now, let's just say I saw something somewhere that's a very strong indication about one specific team's composition.) He's down there for that. Now, I haven't read DemonHybrid-mith at all because my eyes started glazing over after the first couple and I just gave up. From a skim, they look to be like "YOU SAID THIS" "NO I SAID THIS" "NO U" anyway, so I probably haven't missed anything.

Birdies tell me they have a town read on mith. The couple of posts I actually did read feel like gut town, but I'd like to read the actual DemonHybrid-mith argument before I settle down on this.

There you have it.