Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[RayFrost]

That and I really do feel MoI should die first and foremost.

[Seraphim]

Thinking about it, there are a few players on the list of the dead that could conceivably have the Solism domain. Fate, Furcolow, and Adel come to mind as possible possibilities.

I think that Occam's Razor states that lynching MoI is the optimal play here. Two contradictions to his claim emerge from both VP and RayFrost, though some questions should be answered first.

1. Has anyone worshiped Austerity?
2. Is everyone agreed to the plan?

[RayFrost]

I'm not quite sure what plan you're talking about. The worship plan or the lynching plan?

[Seraphim]

The worship plan.

There's a lynching plan?

[Demonic Angel]

Why do people keep pushing Fate as Solism exactly? It's quite obvious he'd be Fervor and Will based on personality.

As for MOI, I see after I've read the thread.

[Faraday]

dudes plum's still scum. we're just gonna let her away with it? really?

[Seraphim]

dudes plum's still scum. we're just gonna let her away with it? really?

No, we lynch Plum tomorrow.

Fara, how is MoI NOT scum given his claim?

[sottyrulez]

1. Has anyone worshiped Austerity?

We did N0.

[Seraphim]

Sorry, I meant on N1.

[Faraday]

Fara, how is MoI NOT scum given his claim?

idk why does he have to be scum? a roleblocker pretty much explains everything doesn't it. i mean you see him completely making up something that he knows is gonna get him in trouble as scum? what? that doesn't make any sense.

[Seraphim]

MoI wants VP lynched. This much is clear. So he claims an ability which makes it look like VP is an SK, without dispute.

Then, lo and behold, Ray counters that roleblocking claim!

So either the roleblocker was roleblocked, which is highly unlikely, or MoI was flat-out lying and was caught. Either way, this does not bode well for him. Why shouldn't we lynch him?

[Faraday]

well I think he's town? lol that's about it, I guess.

[Faraday]

my v/la was cancelled so no worries now.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Since it is blatantly obvious that I am getting lynched I’ll just leave you with a list in passing. Lynch / Vig the following players and you should have a good shot at winning.

VPB
DA
Rayfrost
AGM

If that doesn’t do it then hit the following -

Plum
Seraphim
Parama

If any scum is lurking in my Town-reads it is likely either Sottyrulez or NS.

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The role that you had been handed is completely anti-town. Each player has multiple casts, so scum powers would have to be great to counter this. Your choice to globally block all powerful casts (3 Faith+) is scummy as hell.

Wrong on both counts. Scum are more likely to be able to effectively take advantage of high Faith casts than Town. And you of course aren’t bother to look at all at scum motivation for claiming as I did.

VP is not the play today, nor tomorrow.

Plum is the only other wagon I would accept besides MoI, but even MoI doesn't want to bus her yet so I guess we'll just have to remove him, go with the faith plan, and see what happens.

The bolded is yet another example of Fate buddying up to scum. If you were able to spend more time worrying about finding scum as opposed to eliminating players you dislike you wouldn’t find yourself on the losing end of games so often.

Of course this advice only applies if you are Town. As scum buddying up to the Serial Killer is a great tactical move.

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Plum, what exactly would be my motivation for killing townies over tigers at this point?

As a Serial Killer? Oh, I don’t know … playing to your Wincon. You keep saying you have no chance to win. That’s true because you got busted. But you pretending you would want to kill Tigers as a Serial Killer at this stage is absurdly stupid. Your only shot it to kill as much Town as possible until the dual Mafia / SK threat screws Town over. It’s obv obv obv.

Your excuse that you can be lynched if you don’t shoot a Tiger doesn’t change this. Tomorrow come daybreak when you’ve failed you’ll have some great excuse as for sure why your Target was scum and just give you one more day.

Why most of Town is dumb enough to delay killing more or less a confirmed SK I’ll never know.

Wall posts are unnecessary.

Reading isn’t a hardship. Unless you are younger than 6.

As much as you guys want to say VP parked his vote and did nothing, I was actively calling for quadz' death from the start.

No, you absolutely did. 987 details exactly how. Yet you have been afraid of actually trying to show why any of that post is wrong since I posted it.

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We aren't lynching VP today. This argument is fucking retarded.

Nope its not. The argument of specifically wanting to keep a Serial Killer around is fucking retarded beyond all sanity.

Fara, how is MoI NOT scum given his claim?

You can’t name one thing concretely scummy about my claim. At all. Anything you try to say is concretely scummy can just as easily be explained as Town without confirmation bias.

Is my Donation ability scummy – hell no it would be increadibly easy for scum to abuse.
Is my Delay Cast scummy – Nope
Is my Moderation Cast scummy – Given it is global, limited and not directed … hardly.
Is my Persistance of Memory Cast scummy – Nope

Yup, not a bit.

So either the roleblocker was roleblocked, which is highly unlikely, or MoI was flat-out lying and was caught. Either way, this does not bode well for him. Why shouldn't we lynch him?

Yep, I can’t wait to see how stupid this looks when I flip.

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What makes you believe nobody special's D1 play was particularly townish? It was a net null to me.

NS showing any significant signs of reads and activity at all is a huge Town tell for him. Just because it is Null for most players doesn’t make it Null for NS. His Day 2 and lack of Day 3 play have eroded him to the bottom of the list but he's still Town currently.

You might o it later in the thread, but I didn't see any up 'till then, and I find that suspect as it's proper for town to defend people they think are town.

Sorry, nope. You aren’t ever going to find me actively defending a Town read this early in the game. I pursue my scum-reads. Don’t think that’s Town? Oh well … I’m more worried about finding scum than arguing your particular brand of playstyle.

The issue isn't the fact you failed to vote quadz so much as the method in which you avoided it. Again, from my read through of the first ten pages of the game.

If I was scum partners with Quadz I would have bussed him into oblivion at the first sign of trouble Day 1. Self-meta is useless but the fact that you are trying to say my not voting him is scummy is absurd. Anyone who has played / modded with me as scum can absolutely vouch for this.

Also – actually reading the game as opposed to just sheeping the crowd is tech. You should try it once in awhile. Assuming of course you aren’t scum. Then hell … keep not reading.

[RayFrost]

Did MoI just argue that I wasn't reading the game when my read on him was based upon reading the game?

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lol

[VP Baltar]

Full claiming of your own volition with no pressure is "getting busted."
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lol

[Demonic Angel]

MOI all you've done since claiming is go "WELL X, I WONDER HOW STUPID THIS'LL LOOK AFTER I FLIP".

I really can't discern any town train of thought from how you've been constantly pushing that line of thought. Would you like to explain? It's almost like your "I'LL MAKE AN AVATAR BET THAT I'M NOT SCUM" in Blackest Night, where YOU WERE SCUM.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Did MoI just argue that I wasn't reading the game when my read on him was based upon reading the game?

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lol

This is my saying

my feel of your posts in the first ten pages of the game

was not-good-feelings. Although you had the same read for quadz as I did, what

I saw in the first ten pages of posts

was not any real defense of him

Lol ... somehow I missed where 10 pages was the full game.

[RayFrost]

What makes you believe nobody special's D1 play was particularly townish? It was a net null to me.

NS showing any significant signs of reads and activity at all is a huge Town tell for him. Just because it is Null for most players doesn’t make it Null for NS. His Day 2 and lack of Day 3 play have eroded him to the bottom of the list but he's still Town currently.

I must have very different experiences with NS than most people here, as I actually have a

positive

opinion of his town play and find he's mega-super-lurky-with-no-content as scum. What's he doing here?

You might o it later in the thread, but I didn't see any up 'till then, and I find that suspect as it's proper for town to defend people they think are town.

Sorry, nope. You aren’t ever going to find me actively defending a Town read this early in the game. I pursue my scum-reads. Don’t think that’s Town? Oh well … I’m more worried about finding scum than arguing your particular brand of playstyle.

Okay, I'll concede that we may just have very differing theory positions on this and drop it as a point.

The issue isn't the fact you failed to vote quadz so much as the method in which you avoided it. Again, from my read through of the first ten pages of the game.

If I was scum partners with Quadz I would have bussed him into oblivion at the first sign of trouble Day 1. Self-meta is useless but the fact that you are trying to say my not voting him is scummy is absurd. Anyone who has played / modded with me as scum can absolutely vouch for this.

Also – actually reading the game as opposed to just sheeping the crowd is tech. You should try it once in awhile. Assuming of course you aren’t scum. Then hell … keep not reading.

Hold on a sec while I actually use meta for this........

Someone inform me if this is his meta

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOI all you've done since claiming is go "WELL X, I WONDER HOW STUPID THIS'LL LOOK AFTER I FLIP".

I really can't discern any town train of thought from how you've been constantly pushing that line of thought. Would you like to explain? It's almost like your "I'LL MAKE AN AVATAR BET THAT I'M NOT SCUM" in Blackest Night, where YOU WERE SCUM.

Yes, that's all I've done. I certainly haven't given reads or stated my positions on matters.

Yup indeed. Kats you really aren't trying to discern anything.

You swoop in, make a quick post about a post from another game that has no particular relevence or close similarity to this game and pointlessly capitalize things as if that makes your point more correct.

Good work. You can go back to lurking as scum as opposed to addressing actual scum-motivations or play.

[Faraday]

Yeah, Magna busses like a champ most of the time. Though I don't recall him doing it in American Gods, so it's not like he has to bus.

[Demonic Angel]

I disagree with your statement to attempt to label it as having no particular relevence.

See Fate? This is why MOI is still scum after that claim.

[Demonic Angel]

Yeah, Magna busses like a champ most of the time. Though I don't recall him doing it in American Gods, so it's not like he has to bus.

He bussed like a champ in Return to Liten.

[Seraphim]

VP could have easily just claimed a killing ability once he had said he killed hito. Instead he fullclaimed. If was an SK, wouldn't he want to keep a low profile? I mean, it's obvious there are plenty of vigs. Why out himself like he did when it was clear that Magua and the rest of the town was fine with him not claiming?

Also, the bussing thing seems pretty silly when you consider that it seems like hito was willing to burn through town-cred to defend his claim.

VP: can you tell us how much faith you had on nights one and two, minus the faith boost you got last night?

[MagnaofIllusion]

He bussed like a champ in Return to Liten.

Actually I overdid it there. I probably shouldn't have actively led the lynch on my last partner in hindsight. Meh .. it got me cred and made Llama make a really tough choice in LYLO. Which to his credit he made correctly.

Speaking of Liten and its players - where exactly is AGM? I know from other games he's done with his Semester or something. Move him up my lynch list to right under VPB if he doesn't make any solid posts today. He loves to lurk as scum.