Sorry, guys, been busy and restricted to phone posting until now.
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:So far, Amrun has done the following:
10 Good Reasons Why Amrun is Scum
1)Posted Setup Speculation in an attempt to look more town.
I posted set-up speculation as an attempt to HELP the town. Point #1 suffers from confirmation bias; the action of me posting lists that were compiled to help myself scumhunt to make them public is actually null. I would only want to "look more town" if I was scum, but if I was town, this wouldn't be the case. Therefore, it is circular reasoning and can't be used to call me scummy because it's only scummy if I AM scum, which I'm not.
2)Voted GI based on an apparent scum read, then backtracked when pressured, stating it was an RVS vote
Once again, this is simply a difference in the use of the term "RVS." I wikid it after this exchange and I was the one using the term farther from its standard use. My point is that it was simply a misunderstanding and I already explained what I actually meant. You are choosing to ignore it.
3)Stated that she had no reads in the game currently when pressured, but then votes GI based upon a scum read.
Once AGAIN, I didn't know if GI was simply acting oddly or acting scummy, but decided to put my vote there so it would do SOME good. This is not exactly a scumread.
4)States there is sufficient content in the game that RVS is not needed, but refuses to generate a read from said content. (If there was enough content, she should have a scum lead)
There was enough content for my vote to be doing something useful - in this case, pressuring GreyICE. What good would have been something like, "Vote LLD. Hey, nice to play with you again!" at that stage of the game? None. Though my reads were still wavering, the gamestate was not one that would have benefited from RVS. I do not know why this is so hard to understand.
5)States that wagon on her has "given her good reads, and better reads than the GI wagon". SpyreX asks her to elucidate, and she provides the suggestion that "everyone currently
posting could be town". This is obvious appeasement and attempt to dismantle her wagon.
No, this is an obvious attempt to misrep me. When SpyreX asked me to elucidate, I gave the specific reads that the wagons had given me, even sharing my townreads which I had previously been reluctant to do. I also said that I didn't think such read lists were useful until a point in the game when everyone was participating, since it was statistically possible that everyone participating was town, though I by no means suggested that everyone participating actually WAS town. I don't believe they were, but that doesn't change the fact that it was statistically possible.
6)Until SSBF posted his case, Amrun was VERY quiet about attacking me. The second SSBF posts his case, Amrun agrees with him and proceeds to vote him. Never does she state on what points she agrees with him or why she does. She simply sheeps his case and votes me.
That is not true at all. I expressed suspicion of you before SSBF did, and my decision to vote you had NOTHING to do with SSBF. SSBF doesn't look good to me precisely because he attacked you while agreeing with your points on me - does not make sense. That did not change my independent scumread on you, which I had taken to my Team Mafia QT and asked their opinions on since I wasn't sure. When they agreed that you looked scummy, it gave me enough confidence in the read for a vote.
7)The only reasoning provided for the vote on me is META and GUT. There are NO FACTS or INTENT reads in the case. It's based on "Lambda seems forced" and "My team says Lambda likes Scum PMs".
Once again, not true. I think the accusations you've fielded about contradiction have merit, and you even conceded a point on the matter to me. I think you're trying to call people scummy for things you are basically doing yourself, then finding some arbitrary difference about it after the fact to claim contradiction.
"Seems forced" isn't gut at all. Your. posts. seem. forced. That is something ABOUT YOUR POSTS that I find scummy.
And someone on my team did say that you preferred scum roles. I should have verified that, and I didn't, but that was not the basis of my vote on you at all. What was significant about their input is that they shared my read and 4 heads are better than 1.
)Amrun blatently LIES about a meta read on me, in an attempt to build a stronger case on the next biggest wagon besides his own, and sheep SSBF further. (The meta was proven false
when I posted the CYS link, a game in which I was able to choose my alignment and chose TOWN.)
I was simply repeating what had been told to me. I should have verified. I didn't. Lesson learned. Either way, not a lie. I believed it to be true.
9)Amrun states DIRECTLY that she was afraid that if she voted me earlier, it would be OMGUS. This is not a town thought. Town votes their scumspects regardless of "OMGUS" claims.
You still don't get this. I don't give a fuck who tells me my vote is OMGUS or bad or what have you. I DO care if my vote is actually on scum. You have done some things that strike me townish and some that strike me scummy. My read on you kept wavering, and you were annoying me, and I wanted to make sure that wasn't influencing my read on you. So I took it to my team. They are totally objective, not sharing my annoyance, and their agreement with my read was what I needed.
10)Amrun BACKTRACKS on both her meta claim and the OMGUS accusation. In the case of the Meta Claim, she blames FALSE INTEL GIVEN TO HER BY HER TEAM.
I did not backtrack on the OMGUS. You just refuse to try to understand what I am saying, instead interpreting it in your own special snowflake way.
I did go back on my word about the meta, because I was wrong. It's not actually a backtrack, and perhaps you should look up that word. I admitted that I made a mistake.
This is a post I've been meaning to make for awhile. I disagree with every single point, as noted above.
That being said, I (and my team) have re-evaluated, and I'm not as sure on my LLD read. I keep looking at the wagon and who's on it with me and it does not make me feel like a confident, happy camper.
UNVOTE: LadyLambdaDelta
VOTE: SSBF
I've re-read it several times, and I still can't get over that one contradictory post.
Grey, why should SSBF's lurking deter you from voting there? Why are you acting so differently this game than I've seen you before? Do the other players intimidate you?
DAMN good advice. 
