Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (Game Over)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... =3&t=17041

There you go. Meta of me CHOOSING Town over Scum.

So you just fucking made that up on the spot.

You're caught out, lying scum. I have no meta of PREFERRING scum roles.

[Amrun]

A teammate told me but I am not sure how much detail I am allowed to go into.

It is possible that information is flawed. It is only what I have been told.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^Backtracking

"OH A TEAMMATE TOLD ME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE".

BULLSHIT. APPARENTLY IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO BASE A CASE ON.

SO YOU BETTER NOT BACK DOWN NOW. YOU'VE BEEN DEBUNK'D, CAUGHT, AND ARE NOW TRYING TO SAVE YOURSELF.

TOO FUCKIN' LATE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was a little wary of this feeling at first, wanting to make sure it wasn't just an annoyed OMGUS coloring my perception, but I'm certain it is more than this, now.

ITT Amrun admits he was afraid to vote me because he thought it would be called OMGUS.

Only scum is scared to voice their opinions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD: They aren't Damn Near Identical. Period. No way, no how.

SSBF's post is bad. His point on GI has been made a jillion times, and his points on LLD are all poor. He gives decent reasoning for Amrun-scum, then backs off with "but I'm not certain about it." I agree with his conclusions, but his logic to get there was terribad.

Well... this is interesting.

Um, if Quadz was scum, why would he discredit the only real case that has been posted on me so far...

Heh. This post earns Quadz some town cred.

[Amrun]

You are getting far too emotional for unfounded accusations.

I just told you the source. I assumed my teammate was right, but I should have checked. I far from based a case on it, though.


And no, please learn to read more closely. I didn't refrain from voting for you bevcause it might have been called OMGUS.

I refrained because it might have BEEN OMGUS. Key difference. And as I said earlier, I kept flip flopping on you.

When my team agreed that they thought you were scum, it was enough to tiip me over the edge.

[Faraday]

Yeah, Amrun is scum (that shit about OMGUS is not a town thought process)

[Amrun]

I didn't want to accuse LLD of being scum if I just wanted her to be scum and was confirmation biasing it to be true in my mind.

I don't see how that is rocket science.

I want to post something about LLD's "debunking" of sss case but computer overheated. More later.

[Faraday]

When I OMGUS I believe it's because I'm 100% right, I don't think town stop to consider they might be confirmation biased straight away, maybe you look back after and remove your vote, but I don't think your actions match up with what you're saying.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So far, Amrun has done the following:

10 Good Reasons Why Amrun is Scum

1)Posted Setup Speculation in an attempt to look more town.

2)Voted GI based on an apparent scum read, then backtracked when pressured, stating it was an RVS vote

3)Stated that she had no reads in the game currently when pressured, but then votes GI based upon a scum read.

4)States there is sufficient content in the game that RVS is not needed, but refuses to generate a read from said content. (If there was enough content, she should have a scum lead)

5)States that wagon on her has "given her good reads, and better reads than the GI wagon". SpyreX asks her to elucidate, and she provides the suggestion that "everyone currently
posting could be town". This is obvious appeasement and attempt to dismantle her wagon.

6)Until SSBF posted his case, Amrun was VERY quiet about attacking me. The second SSBF posts his case, Amrun agrees with him and proceeds to vote him. Never does she state on what points she agrees with him or why she does. She simply sheeps his case and votes me.

7)The only reasoning provided for the vote on me is META and GUT. There are NO FACTS or INTENT reads in the case. It's based on "Lambda seems forced" and "My team says Lambda likes Scum PMs".

8)Amrun blatently LIES about a meta read on me, in an attempt to build a stronger case on the next biggest wagon besides his own, and sheep SSBF further. (The meta was proven false
when I posted the CYS link, a game in which I was able to choose my alignment and chose TOWN.)

9)Amrun states DIRECTLY that she was afraid that if she voted me earlier, it would be OMGUS. This is not a town thought. Town votes their scumspects regardless of "OMGUS" claims.

10)Amrun BACKTRACKS on both her meta claim and the OMGUS accusation. In the case of the Meta Claim, she blames FALSE INTEL GIVEN TO HER BY HER TEAM.

This is why Amrun is scum. ALL of this.

[GreyICE]

Signal to noise ratio is leaning noiseward.

My post on the numbers was a ridiculous idea I kicked about. The scum habit of choosing low/middle/high in reasonably even spacing was very apparent from games 2-4, as was their 'we never double up' meta. If they decided to double up, the number 6 wasn't a bad one.




Scum are going to be very aware of the meta they had from previous games of being in the 'low/middle/high' and account for it in some way. I think doubling is possible this game. Though it's probably safer to assume that scum aren't in the 6s, and let the goon cop/gunsmith figure things out.

Oh and on game related terms

Vote: Amrun

#107 was a horrible bit of backtracking. HORRIBLE. Her 'oh hee hee, maybe it's all town posting here we

just don't know

" from page 3 makes me extremely unhappy as well.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now that I have condensed the Amrun case in to 10 easy to read bullet points, are there any questions?

Any one want to try and DISPROVE anything up here? I'm MORE than willing to show you quotes for EVERY. SINGLE. FACT. That exists here.

And I will explain and answer ANY question that is posed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@GI: A graph? Seriously? Bloody hell.

[Faraday]

PYP 1 is irrelevant as the draft worked way differently. numbers and roles before alignment, was it? Something like that anyway. SpySpy probably remembers better than I.

I like LLD. Also 6) means SSBF is town.

[Amrun]

Several misreps on the "case" on me from LLD. Will respond properly when on computer.

[SpyreX]

Spyrex's first post is mostly useless; all the scum could be sitting at the bottom, or all at the top.

Totally random probability

does not change based on past experiences. (There's a little bit in there about scum not doubling up which makes sense, but that's about it.)

Amrun's first post is NOT useless. That is valuable information that we should all keep in mind.

No way in hell does this happen in the team setup. No way would little town bird quadz get away with this with a QT of people who hopefully at least knew what PYP was.

Double awesome points for saying what was useful in Amrun's regurgitation is mostly useless in mine too. Well played.

And Faraday I swear to everything holy don't you white knight this based on team-meta.

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And we'll go ahead and nip this in the bud so any wonder powers can recalibrate: LLD is town. Not pretend town, not "ohh maybe town" not "gee golly its too early for reads but she feels town town".

We're talkin A grade town.

I'll give SSBF the benefit of the doubt but watching Amrun leap there isn't a surprise.

My post on the numbers was a ridiculous idea I kicked about. The scum habit of choosing low/middle/high in reasonably even spacing was very apparent from games 2-4, as was their 'we never double up' meta. If they decided to double up, the number 6 wasn't a bad one.

Scum are going to be very aware of the meta they had from previous games of being in the 'low/middle/high' and account for it in some way. I think doubling is possible this game.

Though it's probably safer to assume that scum aren't in the 6s

, and let the goon cop/gunsmith figure things out.

Italics is also bad. I swear. Low/middle/high is kind of a misnomer - its far more a function of "all different because that gets us higher on the list". I've also got the added benefit of having all those QT's and knowing that in more than one game they sent in numbers, saw what the partners sent in,

made sure there was no duplicates

, and called it macaroni.

PYP 1 is irrelevant as the draft worked way differently. numbers and roles before alignment, was it? Something like that anyway. SpySpy probably remembers better than I.

I like LLD. Also 6) means SSBF is town.

No, scum could always coordinate I'm pretty sure.

[GreyICE]

@GI: A graph? Seriously? Bloody hell.

I have this in a spreadsheet with role names highlighted in red (for games 2-4). Game 1 is indeed irrelevant for scum (if nothing else there were two teams), but it's useful for seeing how people pick numbers.

@Spyrex; it's probably safer because if there are two scum in the 6s, they're likely both goons, so gunsmith and goon cop can out them. Plus that leaves scum on an extreme lack of power roles, so if I assume the scum aren't in there, I assume they're stronger. Likely one is.
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And I doubt scum in this game were so uncoordinated. I would not be surprised if they did something like 1,2,3 or 'all late' for WIFOM.

[SpyreX]

I'm saying you've went "2 scum in 6's!" "0 scum in 6's!" when I'm betting there's 1 scum in the 6's because the spread being what it is.

There's no wifom in the numbers themselves - its a matter of how it shakes out.

Although you're 'all late' with the play is starting to have some merit ZING.

[Faraday]

http://67.222.17.61/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12917 we sent draft numbers immediately.

And Faraday I swear to everything holy don't you white knight this based on team-meta.

huh? Come now, don't lolmeta me. There are certain people playing Team mafia who would never be given a scum pm unless the team got 4 of them. Quadz fits the bill to a fucking T.

[SpyreX]

Ohhh that's right. I remembered the numbers being sent but I thought they could change them. Guess not.

The simple fact posts like that one happen means the whole team dynamic on that side is a wash. Maybe they opted to stuff the scum to the weakest link and accept a loss? Who knows.

All I know is if you can straight face me and say that isn't some vig/rope worthy double talk there I dont even know. Or, to put it different - if Amrun flips scum, you gonna fight about quadz danglin?

[quadz08]

No way in hell does this happen in the team setup. No way would little town bird quadz get away with this with a QT of people who hopefully at least knew what PYP was.

Double awesome points for saying what was useful in Amrun's regurgitation is mostly useless in mine too. Well played.

... What, exactly, are you arguing with me about? I do not understand the first point.
Also, I said that the stuff in your post which was similar to what was in Amrun's post was useful. It's the rest of your post that's useless.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Quadz, any comments on my Amrun case?

[Papa Zito]

Hey guys, really sorry to do this cuz it looks like you lot are turboposting, but something major's come up that I have to deal with. I'll try to check in later.

[quadz08]

LLD: Your case seems solid just looking at the post itself, except points 7 and 8 are essentially the same thing, and calling him out for 'blatantly lying' is stretching it quite a bit.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

You should vote Amrum DDD.

If I'm sheeping anyone it's Hoopla; not you. Hoooooplaaaaaaaaa, where are you?

Explain how my single post is bad, plz. reasoning is pro-town.

What nonsense; reasoning is not pro-town, no more than LLD's "meta is useless" diatribes make her scum (they make her wrong, not scum). They're called playstyle differences quadz and the sooner you figure that out the quicker you'll get better at this whole "mafia" thing.

Also to that end, ongoing game is ongoing but I basically can't believe you legitimately believe that point given how things went down there.