Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (Game Over)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD have you played with quadz before?

No, and I don't believe in Meta.

Why is this relevant?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Isn't red supposed to be truth? Cos if you can't determine the alignment of a player from a single post you're doing it wrong.

Are you trying to say that one post in isolation is enough for you to determine intent of town or scum?

I do not agree. It is enough to give you an inkling to pursue a lead. Not enough for you to be able to state your town read with that amount of

certainty.

I would know. Certainty is my thing. ^-^

Jokes aside though, you aren't scum for calling him town, but it is worth keeping an eye on you for.

And here's where I outline it.

IN BOLD.

[Amrun]

Congratulations!

Scummy=/= scum.

If you payed attention to what I wrote, I said that inklings can be gained and ideas can be formed. But having CERTAINTY is something that cannot be achieved.

But you don't read. Or rather, you selectively read.

I'm not trying to say you said scum. Just pointing out that you're walking a fine line of contradiction here, splicing hairs to call someone else scummy for something you have been very close to doing yourself several times.

[Faraday]

LLD have you played with quadz before?

No, and I don't believe in Meta.

Why is this relevant?

He's town. His team wouldn't entrust him with a scum PM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Congratulations!

Scummy=/= scum.

If you payed attention to what I wrote, I said that inklings can be gained and ideas can be formed. But having CERTAINTY is something that cannot be achieved.

But you don't read. Or rather, you selectively read.

I'm not trying to say you said scum. Just pointing out that you're walking a fine line of contradiction here, splicing hairs to call someone else scummy for something you have been very close to doing yourself several times.

Fine, I see your point.

But the fact remains that I maintain a clear distinction between "You are SCUM" and "You're acting scummy". They seem VERY similar, but they are entirely different.

One is MUCH more certain than the other.

And one, in my opinion, cannot be determined from a single post. The other can.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD have you played with quadz before?

No, and I don't believe in Meta.

Why is this relevant?

He's town. His team wouldn't entrust him with a scum PM.

[Amrun]

Congratulations!

Scummy=/= scum.

If you payed attention to what I wrote, I said that inklings can be gained and ideas can be formed. But having CERTAINTY is something that cannot be achieved.

But you don't read. Or rather, you selectively read.

I'm not trying to say you said scum. Just pointing out that you're walking a fine line of contradiction here, splicing hairs to call someone else scummy for something you have been very close to doing yourself several times.

Fine, I see your point.

But the fact remains that I maintain a clear distinction between "You are SCUM" and "You're acting scummy". They seem VERY similar, but they are entirely different.

One is MUCH more certain than the other.

And one, in my opinion, cannot be determined from a single post. The other can.

For scum, yes. For town, it can be a little different sometimes.

That being said, I don't see what is giving Faraday that amount of confidence in Slaxx. I am even-keeled null on Slaxx myself.

[Faraday]

lol? You have been figuring out teams, right?

[zoraster]

Day 1 Vote Count

Amrun ( 4 ) Lady LambdaDelta, SpyreX, Faraday Slaxx,

(L - 3 )

GreyICE ( 2 ) Papa Zito, Amrun,

(L - 5 )

Lady LambdaDelta ( 2 ) GreyICE, quadz08,

(L - 5 )

PranaDevil ( 1 ) Super Smash Bros. Fan,

(L - 6 )

Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Faraday ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Hoopla ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Kise ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Papa Zito ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

quadz08 ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Slaxx ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

SpyreX ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Super Smash Bros. Fan ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

No Lynch ( 0 )

(L - 7 )

Not Voting ( 4 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro, Hoopla, Kise, PranaDevil,
Total Votes ( 13 )

Deadline: May 29th at 11:00 EDT
0 Days Banked
With 13 able to vote, 7 needed to lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol? You have been figuring out teams, right?

When I said I don't use Meta, I meant it.

It's not worth basing opinions on really.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

GreyICE’s scum WIFOM argument is interesting but the only two players who have the stones to pull that sort of move are Hoopla and/or SpyreX. One of them flips scum and we can talk about the possibility, but I can’t see anyone else sabotaging themselves in that regard. Beyond that number speculation might, might be worthwhile later in the game with flips giving us some information to make assumptions on; right now pretty useless in my book.

LLD is all over the place for me, Amrun looks scummy, and quadz play doesn’t look good but I’m not sure that actually means anything with him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GreyICE’s scum WIFOM argument is interesting but the only two players who have the stones to pull that sort of move are Hoopla and/or SpyreX. One of them flips scum and we can talk about the possibility, but I can’t see anyone else sabotaging themselves in that regard. Beyond that number speculation might, might be worthwhile later in the game with flips giving us some information to make assumptions on; right now pretty useless in my book.

LLD is all over the place for me, Amrun looks scummy, and quadz play doesn’t look good but I’m not sure that actually means anything with him.

Define: All Over The Place

It's rather vague in meaning.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Some things look extremely town; other things look extremely scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Some things look extremely town; other things look extremely scummy.

Citation Needed.

[Faraday]

You should vote Amrum DDD.

[Amrun]

For the record, I put up my personal numbers speculations for use later in the game, not for use right now.

[quadz08]

GreyICE’s scum WIFOM argument is interesting but the only two players who have the stones to pull that sort of move are Hoopla and/or SpyreX. One of them flips scum and we can talk about the possibility, but I can’t see anyone else sabotaging themselves in that regard. Beyond that number speculation might, might be worthwhile later in the game with flips giving us some information to make assumptions on; right now pretty useless in my book.

LLD is all over the place for me, Amrun looks scummy, and quadz play doesn’t look good but I’m not sure that actually means anything with him.

First paragraph makes sense, and I agree. Couuuuuld be an attempt to draw suspicion away from other scumbuddies who actually did double up, but it's highly unlikely.

Explain how my single post is bad, plz. reasoning is pro-town.

In other words:

"Here scumbuddy Amrun, let me try and earn you some town cred by discrediting Spyrex's post, and playing up yours!"

Even thought they were basically similar. Sorry, make that damn near identical.

This is completely false. Spyrex's post was saying "look at these artifical groups of players (top 4) (bottom 4) (middle group). 1 in each group is scum."
Amrun's post said "these are the players who picked the same number. Scum wouldn't double up. If one of them is scum, the rest in these groups are almost-clear."

Verrrrrry different things.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nice Misrep Quad.

I said Basically Similar and Damn Near Identical.

There are SMALL differences, but both posts are setup speculation and are based on the same principles.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

GreyICE:

GreyICE, I agree with Lady Lambdadelta that this is bad logic, not only for the reason that she said, but because it makes no sense to be certain that just because there are four 6s, that two of them must be scum. The certainty of the post bothers me, and it's not something I easily see from town.

Lady Lambdadelta:

The question she asked I can see coming from a scum perspective. I didn't really see any harm that Amrun made in his speculation that could potentially favor scum. She probably used it so she can trip up Amrun and gained town points by throwing suspicion on Amrun. Her continued attack on Amrun continues to feel mechanical and forced. Some points she made in her attack are good, but it doesn't wipe away the scum read I have of her.

What's so important about placing a RVS vote? Only 1/4 of the game made a RVS vote and yet it's totally important to note that Amrun didn't place a vote. Please explain to me why Amrun not placing a vote at that time is more important than nine other players not placing a RVS vote.

This also gives me bad vibes. I don't like how she attacked Faraday for certainty, but ignored GreyICE's #8, which expressed uncomfortable amount of certainty as well.

The strong gut feeling I have on her makes her my favorite lynch candidate as of now.

Amrun:

Amrun seems to be making excuses to cover himself. Just because you don't have much to work on doesn't make falling under pressure and voting someone for the sake of voting less scummy.

When a person gives a semi-serious reason to vote, then it is not a RVS vote. Saying otherwise makes Amrun look like scum trying to shovel away scumminess like a scumbag would do.

Another beef I have with Amrun's posts is him saying "But everyone here could be town!" We don't know whenever or not everyone who has posted is town or not, which already makes this pointless to post. I also see this as an excuse for a person to not scum hunt.

Still, I don't really feel certain about Amrun scum. There are scummy things he has done, but I read it more as frustrated town acting scummy then scum cracking under pressure.

Faraday:

Not liking the way he's wagoned on Amrun. The attacks he's made on Amrun have been one-liners that doesn't say much of anything, which gives me the description that Faraday is trying to slip in the wagon without scrutiny. At least SpyreX gave a good reason for supporting the wagon and Slaxx last post shows that he's scum hunting on Amrun. Only major one I can find, but it's a pretty major one.

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Conclusion:

I believe one of {Lady Lambdadelta, Amrun} is our best bet for scum, but not both. I see this as a Town Vs. Scum interaction and it really does feel like it. Of those, I think Lady Lambdadelta is more likely to flip scum.

GreyICE reads slightly scummy after her post, but I'll need to hear more from him.

Faraday is my second scum read mainly because of his horrible Amrun push.

Unvote, Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

FoS: Faraday

[Faraday]

I don't even know what to make of that post.

[Amrun]

I didn't say everyone here WAS town. I said it was possible. As it is, I do not think that is the case.

I think it is most likely that LLD is scum out of the currently active posters. I've re-read the game so far, as short as it may be, several times now, and I keep coming back to her. Her attacks on me seem forced and I sense some internal conflictions in her reasoning. I was a little wary of this feeling at first, wanting to make sure it wasn't just an annoyed OMGUS coloring my perception, but I'm certain it is more than this, now.

My teammates agree, too.

Also, it has come to my attention that LLD favors scum roles, which makes me suspect her more, since if her team drew a scum role, I could totally see her taking it.

I still want to see Grey's reaction to the suspicion on him, but I cannot justify keeping my vote on him when I legitimately suspect LLD.

VOTE: LadyLambdaDelta

IGMEOY: GreyICE

[quadz08]

LLD: They aren't Damn Near Identical. Period. No way, no how.

SSBF's post is bad. His point on GI has been made a jillion times, and his points on LLD are all poor. He gives decent reasoning for Amrun-scum, then backs off with "but I'm not certain about it." I agree with his conclusions, but his logic to get there was terribad.

[Amrun]

I liked sss's points on LLD, but the way he backed off of me was strange. It's sort of like he wants to go with the crowd ... but then that doesn't add up with the rest of his post. So idk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

First off, could you sit on the fence any harder SSBF?

LLD is scum because she attacks Amrun! But she makes good points~!

Amrun is scum for the points LLD made~

Seriously, bro?

Secondly to answer your questions:

1) Are you saying it is antitown to try and create discussion and content? Also, since you agree with me that Amrun is scummy, how is my attacking him and pushing him here scummy?
You're spouting contradictions. This is what the question was designed to do. It was designed to get Amrun posting content and reads, so I could get a read on him. And he reacted scumily.

2) Are we seriously about to debate about why RVS exists? Learn to mafia. it creates discussion and reads. FURTHER, the reason for asking the question was to see what he would answer. If he had answered, " I don't think we need RVS, we have content already through setup speculation" I would have been slightly more satisfied.

Instead, he claims GI is his RVS vote. Which is total bullshit, because he voted GI based on a legitimate scum read he had voiced. So he's lying there. Further, when I asked him who scum was, (which was Point 1 in your case) he responded with "I don't have any reads at the moment".

Which is ALSO BS, because he had just expressed a scum read on GI when placing his vote on him. The "GI is playing oddly" comment is evidence of this.

3) Uh, SSBF? Do you know how to read? Maybe you should read the repeated posts where I not only denounce GI's Logic, but also call him scum.

FURTHERMORE, the GI post wasn't a read based on a single post like Faraday's was. It was a setup speculation read.

So the situations are entirely different ANYWAY, and your connection and "contradiction" isn't actually there.

So in recap, you are attacking me for:

1) Creating content and helping create reads on players for myself and others.
2)Putting pressure on a scumspect of mine to try and see what she would say.
3) A "contradiction" that is fabricated either by your inability to read, or your deliberate manifestation.

Case Debunk'd. Next?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, it has come to my attention that LLD favors scum roles, which makes me suspect her more, since if her team drew a scum role, I could totally see her taking it.

USO DA! YOU LIAR~!

First off, why don't you give a reference for this information. Give me a source?\

SECONDLY, Meta is BULLSHIT, because on the best of days it's WIFOM.

THIRDLY, YOUR META ISN'T EVEN CORRECT. I WILL GO FIND YOU CYS:A Monument of Sins.

A GAME IN WHICH YOU CHOOSE YOUR ALIGNMENT.

GUESS WHAT I CHOSE~?

I DARE YOU.