Team Mafia: Pick Your Power (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

What? Just what?

Also:

But this mini wagon on me has already been useful, reads-wise, better than the grey wagon, which is good.

Elucidate. Now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And in my experience, grey does not take wagons seriously unless they start to grow a bit and I wanted his reaction, which is basically ruined now.

I still have no firm scumreads and I don't care if that makes me scum supposedly.

But this mini wagon on me has already been useful, reads-wise, better than the grey wagon, which is good.

P-edit: I do have reads, they are just not concrete. And I have no significant scumreads. I don't seee the merit in sharing my townreads so I won't.

This wagon has been helpful?

Has it given you any scum reads?

Certainly by now you should at least have an inkling, correct?

Or are you still comfortable in you GI vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Faraday: Please explain why Slaxx is town based solely on his first post.

[Faraday]

Vote on Amrum was townish. And since Amrum's scum, yep yep.

[Amrun]

Well, basically the only thing I got from the grey wagon was that SpyreX was probably town.

So far, I have flip-flopped on LLD a couple of times, currently null leaning scum, mostly on gut and for pushing what I think is a terrible case. However, someone has said that type of aggression from her is townish, so I will take a look at her meta when I get the chance.

Faraday seems townish so far, too.

Once again, it is quite possible that EVERYONE currently posting is town. That's why I think this is all an exercise in futility.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The Witch of Certainty will now use the glorious Red Truth in her attempt to achieve victory this game!

The alignment of a player cannot be determined from a single post!

The alignment of a player cannot be determined from a vote that is cast on another player without a flip!

Calling someone town holds equal and opposite meaning as calling someone scum!

Therefor, calling someone town based upon the first post they make and their first and only vote is not possible!

I do not feel good about Faraday calling Slaxx town based on that post.

But by my own logic, this is not enough to decisively to determine the alignment of Faraday.

IGMEOY: Faraday

[Faraday]

Isn't red supposed to be truth? Cos if you can't determine the alignment of a player from a single post you're doing it wrong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Isn't red supposed to be truth? Cos if you can't determine the alignment of a player from a single post you're doing it wrong.

Are you trying to say that one post in isolation is enough for you to determine intent of town or scum?

I do not agree. It is enough to give you an inkling to pursue a lead. Not enough for you to be able to state your town read with that amount of

certainty.

I would know. Certainty is my thing. ^-^

Jokes aside though, you aren't scum for calling him town, but it is worth keeping an eye on you for.

[SpyreX]

I'll bite Faraday a little:

Thoughts on the other posters then?

[Faraday]

Isn't red supposed to be truth? Cos if you can't determine the alignment of a player from a single post you're doing it wrong.

Are you trying to say that one post in isolation is enough for you to determine intent of town or scum?

I do not agree. It is enough to give you an inkling to pursue a lead. Not enough for you to be able to state your town read with that amount of

certainty.

It's enough for me, yeah.

[Faraday]

Oh LLD and you are town.

Grey is scum.

[SpyreX]

I'm torn in my heart of hearts because I agree with all your words but I was surprised at the Slaxx call too and these early wagons probably have a scum on them somewhere and, as you said, it aint me and it mos def aint lld - but I doubt its you too soooo

[zoraster]

Day 1 Vote Count

Amrun ( 4 ) Lady LambdaDelta, SpyreX, Faraday Slaxx,
GreyICE ( 2 ) Papa Zito, Amrun,
Lady LambdaDelta ( 1 ) GreyICE,
PranaDevil ( 1 ) Super Smash Bros. Fan,
Debonair Danny DiPietro ( 0 )
Faraday ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
Kise ( 0 )
Papa Zito ( 0 )
quadz08 ( 0 )
Slaxx ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Super Smash Bros. Fan ( 0 )
No Lynch ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 5 ) Debonair Danny DiPietro, Hoopla, Kise, PranaDevil, quadz08, Slaxx,
Total Votes ( 13 )
Deadline: May 29th at 11:00 EDT
0 Days Banked
With 13 able to vote, 7 needed to lynch.

[Faraday]

I'm torn in my heart of hearts because I agree with all your words but I was surprised at the Slaxx call too and these early wagons probably have a scum on them somewhere and, as you said, it aint me and it mos def aint lld - but I doubt its you too soooo

I aint in the business of being an uncertain kitten. I've been looking forward to this for like 3 months. I'm in go mode.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm torn in my heart of hearts because I agree with all your words but I was surprised at the Slaxx call too and these early wagons probably have a scum on them somewhere and, as you said, it aint me and it mos def aint lld - but I doubt its you too soooo

I aint in the business of

being an uncertain kitten.

I've been looking forward to this for like 3 months. I'm in go mode.

Oh You.

[Faraday]

Teehee. I'm glad someone appreciated it.

[Amrun]

I giggled a little, I have to admit.

[quadz08]

Hi everyone.

GreyICE's first post is useless, WIFOM-filled, and has no real merit.
Spyrex's first post is mostly useless; all the scum could be sitting at the bottom, or all at the top. Totally random probability does not change based on past experiences. (There's a little bit in there about scum not doubling up which makes sense, but that's about it.)
Amrun's first post is NOT useless. That is valuable information that we should all keep in mind.

Amrun's vote and explanation before, during, and after that vote are bad news.

Also, I agree with Faraday that scum / town alignment CAN be determined by one post. It don't think it happens as often as Faraday seems to imply, but it does happen.

Also, LLD is scum for these posts:

Spy-kun is town god.

Faraday is null leaning town.

GI is scummy.

You are scum.

4 reads, 2 pages.

TADA~

Further, was there a reason you didn't place an RVS vote?

The Witch of Certainty will now use the glorious Red Truth in her attempt to achieve victory this game!

The alignment of a player cannot be determined from a single post!

The alignment of a player cannot be determined from a vote that is cast on another player without a flip!

Calling someone town holds equal and opposite meaning as calling someone scum!

Therefor, calling someone town based upon the first post they make and their first and only vote is not possible!

I do not feel good about Faraday calling Slaxx town based on that post.

But by my own logic, this is not enough to decisively to determine the alignment of Faraday.

IGMEOY: Faraday

Not perfect contradiction, no, but still not lookin' too good.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ Scum buddy #1 of Amrun?

Are they making it this easy?

Also, that's not a contradiction at all.

I'm saying one post IN ISOLATION cannot be used to determine intent.

I had 2 pages and interactions to be able to make my reads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Further, if I am scum for those posts, where is your vote?

Afraid to commit to something this soon?

[Faraday]

LLD have you played with quadz before?

[Amrun]

Six was the most commonly selected number last draft.

Ergo, scum decided to double pick six on the logic that in no PYP game ever have scum doubled up on numbers. They got outwitted by two townies picking six as well. Therefore 2/4 6 picks are scum.

Vote: LadyLambdadelta

Start at the top, work your way down.

And yet you call GreyICE scummy for this alone. One post in isolation.

[quadz08]

^^^
Amrun gets it you guys. If Scummy McScummerson can do it, you can too!

Also, thought I had a vote there.

VOTE: LLD

'pologies.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spyrex's first post is mostly useless; all the scum could be sitting at the bottom, or all at the top. Totally random probability does not change based on past experiences. (There's a little bit in there about scum not doubling up which makes sense, but that's about it.)
Amrun's first post is NOT useless. That is valuable information that we should all keep in mind.

In other words:

"Here scumbuddy Amrun, let me try and earn you some town cred by discrediting Spyrex's post, and playing up yours!"

Even thought they were basically similar. Sorry, make that damn near identical.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Congratulations!

Scummy=/= scum.

If you payed attention to what I wrote, I said that inklings can be gained and ideas can be formed. But having CERTAINTY is something that cannot be achieved.

But you don't read. Or rather, you selectively read.