Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[Kcdaspot]

is this game really that bad?

ACTIVITY NOWS

[Doombunny9]

I don't think i could think this while think scum has no time machines now can i?

I understand you think that scum probably have time machines but you're missing the point to my question. In your claim you said that scum have to kill at least 5 townies before they can kill you. Later when you expand on it you say its only the case if scum don't have time machines. If you think scum have time machines, why say that scum have to kill at least 5 townies before they can kill you?

THAT WAS HALF OF YOUR CASE. YOU ADMITTED IT WAS CRAP AND AGREED WITH MY REASONS.

I admitted the first point was crap. I have NEVER said my second point was crap. I said your posts looked like you were trying to get Amrun to think you were town which btw, is scummy. As for my third point, as I said, I still find it scummy due to the fact that I had to ask multiple times. That's 1/7 of my case gone. Oh my, that is a lot. It must have been terrible.

[Amrun]

-=-Jumping around Amrun-=-

#64 -> "Lynch Zinger!"
#66 -> Kcdaspot is surpassed by Zinger in terms of scumminess
#71 -> Zinger should still die.
#74 -> Zinger's post is filled with scumminess,
#77 -> Mentions that Maxous made a good point about Zinger and mentions that Zinger should die
#81 -> Zinger flipping Town = Suspiciousness onto MrTrow
#82 -> Zinger fill of scum even though he self-votes
#84 -> Zinger's misunderstanding of Amished tell is faulty and should still die

#85 -> Points out the fact that MrTrow 'attempts' to town-buddy with Zinger, who should still die

Yes, I believe that #81/85 would be an important point, at the moment.
Since we do not know the exact alignment and role of Zinger, it would bring a bit more suspiciousness onto MrTrow, since some strange things seemed to happen out of nowhere. Also, this is when it came to Amrun and wanting to lynch Zinger... All she did shout out is that Zinger was scum and stuff.
Mhm, this is how scum are becoming a bigger ninjas and just trying to say "VOTE 'EM" or something.
Sigh.

I wish I knew what you were trying to say.

I said all along that Zinger was scum and stuck with that in all my votes. Still, I have no way of knowing until post-flip, or so I thought, but MrTrow was acting strangely but it would be irrelevant if Zinger flipped scum.

It is not rocket science. What don't you get?

[smargaret]

Seriously? No flip? Aren't we supposed to get a warning about that sort of thing?

Top suspicions are probably Amrun (reasons same as yesterday, and the assumption that there's a lynch janitor - a role that seems horribly OP and that I've never seen before - is weird), Trow (actions in discussion), and Maxous (failure to make up for Chronopie/gut) in that order, town read on GW. I'm willing to see if KCD's kill comes through tonight.

Also, I'm having some technical difficulties that are limiting my activity. They should be resolved in a week - my computer has a virus and my fiance has no time to look at it until his exams are over - and I'll keep up, but don't expect multiple posts all day long from me.

[Amrun]

The only reason I'm assuming there's a lynch janitor is a) because if there isn't this is a no flip game and I refuse to entertain that notion, b) I HAVE seen it before.

Is GW your only townread, smargaret?

[Kcdaspot]

I don't think i could think this while think scum has no time machines now can i?

I understand you think that scum probably have time machines but you're missing the point to my question. In your claim you said that scum have to kill at least 5 townies before they can kill you. Later when you expand on it you say its only the case if scum don't have time machines. If you think scum have time machines, why say that scum have to kill at least 5 townies before they can kill you?

I. THOUGHT. THEY. COULD. GO. TO. N0. AND. OFF. PEEPS. WHO. NOMINATED. ZINGER.

I want to kill you srsly.

[Kcdaspot]

thoo i'll grant you the second bit.

*peh peh*(man that left a bad taste in my mouth.)*PEH*

[Kcdaspot]

to help out with the first.

A) nomm me and allow scumbuddy to get nommed DO NOT NOM SCUMBUDDY
B) convince town i am scum
C) lynch me
D) if B and C fail, go back in time and off the people who nommed scumbuddy one at a time.
E) I cease to exist because they have some other player nommed than me.
F) ????
G) PROFIT

[smargaret]

Amrun, not my only townread but the strongest townread I have.

[Amrun]

Why bother noting that, though?

[Tasky]

LYNCHCOUNT 2.1:

LYNCH (0/8): //
NO LYNCH (12): MrTrow, Maxous, imaginality, RedCoyote, smargaret, Amrun, Tragedy, GhostWriter, Doombunny9, Kcdaspot, GreyICE, Exe

With 12 alive it takes 8 "LYNCH"-votes to reach Nomination-Phase.
Deadline for D2 Discussion is 28.05.2011, 22:00 CET

[Maxous]

RE: Mafia having time machines - It would be a lot safer to assume they do. Considering this is a theme game with a unique mechanic it would be a unusual if both sides could'nt avail of this mechanic.

there may be other time machine of equal and lesser power... say for instance there may be someone with a time machine that could go only 1 night or day to the future or the past.

Yeah that was in the rules somewhere.

i note where DB9 says he's a "town X" AFTER I clearly state as such.

Are you implying he is fake claiming?

i believe Doombunny9's non-specific PR claim, because he as good as claimed town PR yesterday, when he said he assumed everyone had a time machine.

I understand why you assume he has a PR.
Not so sure on why you assume that it is a town PR.
Maybe he was checking the town for example? Looking for a reaction.

Trow (actions in discussion)

Can you explain please?

@Tragedy: Do you still suspect KCD?

Is the suspicion on Red Coyote based on Zinger being town or mafia? And in either instance..why exactly? Is it just for thinking Zinger was town?

[Amrun]

I second smargaret explaining Trow. I kind of glazed over on that part but now that I see it, lolwut.

[Kcdaspot]

i note where DB9 says he's a "town X" AFTER I clearly state as such.

Are you implying he is fake claiming?

he could be. the possibility has increased somewhat.


DO I HAVE TO DRIVE THIS GAME BY MYSELF?

[GhostWriter]

Truth be told, I've got an insane gut feeling Imaginality is scum. Since all gut feelings are based on something registered by the subconscious, I'm gonna try going over his posts to figure out why I feel like this. Just letting you all know this A) to, admittingly, prod-dodge while I take time to do this and B) so no one is surprised if he jumps up my list.

[Tragedy]

Something's still strange of Kcdaspot.
If the -ELITE BODYGUARD- was claimed here, why wasn't he killed?
He mentioned he killed someone, unless by chance, he used the time machine to go back in time or ahead (Is this even possible?) and killed somebody.
I don't know how time machines work the way Tasky uses it.

I can't really read Kcdaspot's posts anymore, so I'll put him back to null...

[GhostWriter]

He stated he went forward and that the kill is happening tonight. There was no kill, possibly due to mafia going through time for their kill, a doc protect, a town RB, a jailer, ect., ect., to the point that speculation is pointless and anti-town.

[Exe]

Sorry, I'm still

really

busy.

I should have something up before too long though.

[Doombunny9]

He mentioned he killed someone, unless by chance, he used the time machine to go back in time or ahead (Is this even possible?) and killed somebody.

Are you even reading?

@Tragedy- I would like to see your top 3 scumreads with reasoning.

[Kcdaspot]

Trag is playing uncharacteristically bad...

[Kcdaspot]

also i'd like imaginality and tragedy to post a list.

[MrTrow]

To start with the endofday1-question of me.
No i don`t believe the 'the doctor'-claim/joke was a breadcrumb, it was called 'just bullshitting' shortly after.
I did consider the similarities 'at least strange', and now i would like him to clarify why the 'just bullshitting' if it was so similar.

Also your 'just 2 of them', seems to indicate you know there are more than 2 mafia members

@Kcda: your 5-town-kills-required thing makes no sense(even assuming acting in N0 is possible): Zingers nominators would have to fall below amruns (or match based on your choice)
Killing 4 would do that.

Also am i to conclude from it you consider Zinger scum? (your votes suggests otherwise)
As killing Zinger himself would have the same effect.

@mod, i assume by 'first nominee, selects second nominee in case of ties', you select directly from first nominees list(due to time-medling-protection) and there is a way to handle 3+ way ties for first place

Given the 'janitor-action'(yes i believe it was a janitor-action):
I consider GreyIce and Smargaret likely to be town:
I just don`t see why any member of a mafia-faction with janitor-abilities would request the mod to point out what would be revealed on flip.
Also asking the town, to be replaced due to having issues with the game being potentially no-flip makes no sense what so ever for someone who 'knows the cleanup possibilities'
With the second as possible gambit (read: a weaker read).

I`m not yet sure about this though:

Seriously? No flip? Aren't we supposed to get a warning about that sort of thing?

mod: Is this a no-flip game, do you reveal alignment only, or alignment+role when a player is lynched/killed at night?

[Redacted]

@Imag: why point out the PR-Doombunny thing?
No one(well maybe scum under pressure but that`s it) wants to just claim 'an undefined powerrole'.
His 'TownX-claim', read to me like 'ofcourse you`re not claiming scum, no one would', the 'I think its safe to assume that everybody does.' should be enough hint that it wasn`t intended as a PR-claim.

Also you are rating scum`s power by the amount of timemachines they have (i asked chrono, now i`m asking you: how does having multiple timemachines make the team so much stronger?)
More interressting thing in those lines though, you 'believe he`s town' because his statements 'wouldn`t be true if scum'?
- if he`s scum and scum has a shared timemachine, his 'assumption that everyone has a timemachine' would be a lie -> so he`s likely town (no he`s town or lying scum)

[Kcdaspot]

I really was BSing.

besides... wouldn't a claim like that mean a more general JOAT anyway? i mean shoot it's "The Doctor" a doc protect would make more sense.

i'd think a better crumb would be "captain jack harkness"

and to your second.

either way works. the idea remains the same right?

[Amrun]

So you're clearing smarg on basis of asking the mod about flips?

Lolno

Trow and smarg for scumbuddies.

[Tragedy]

-MRTROW-

When I had recently went into this thread with Amrun's post of "MRTROW & SMARG SCUMBUDDIES", it pretty much caught my eye...
Let's see...

- How does Smargaret-scum result in GreyICE-town?

> This part shows a minor connection towards MrTrow & Smargaret, since Amrun thought that Smarg attacking GreyICE would possibly not show a scumbuddy connection with each other.

Mist:hard(near impossible) to read + Imaginality: the biggest thing to go on is his opening-list, i might get into that list later, but the smargaret-read caught my eye:
- The 'in reading the thread- not looking so good': true (at least true enough to leave as a mislynch), going into iso to clear a (non-obvious potential) mislynch, is not something i would consider pro-scum.

> When he's interesting of Smargaret of "Reading the Thread but Portraying Badly" is 'True', which would leave to a

mislynch

towards Smarg. However, why so not-so-obvious potential mislynch? Why did you say this about Smarg instead of myself, whose reading badly here as well?

Smargarat: very little to add here
only the flip-clarification-request:
If that was role-specific, the question would probably have been asked by PM, to scum 'info upon death' is always role-specific. Leaning town.

> (S)he asked an obvious question that someone else might ask since it wasn't truly stated in the rules... It's not game-breaking, and such. But how does it make Smarg leaning town.town. Or at least, how/why was/is (s)he leaning town?

Then the next/latest post from MrTrow, he still says smarg is town.
Seriously, there's no chats with Smargaret and it simply feels awkward since MrTrow is ironically concerned with Smargaret, although they don't know the other person's alignment... Or by chance, they do.
Yes, sounds like Trow's defending Smarg here.