Alright, I'm fully caught up. I wasn't following closely enough since about page 15, sorry about that.
On Furcolow quick:
I don't like the postings that came on time after being prodded... but as he pointed out, was mentioned other times before that, where he did not respond, so that is not as suspicious. It's perfectly reasonable that he couldn't be here all the time.
Next on quotes:
amrun wrote: Toon Fighter wrote:I just noticed this new attack on Furcolow, and I'm trying to be impartial, but there are evidence that may support his innocence.
1) As you may notice if you search for posts made by him, he didn't post anything* between May 1 and May 6. He may have been V/LA BUT
1b) He never said he'd be V/LA at any point of this game*, supporting the active lurking theory
2) He did show up just in time to answer a vote on him, and he had only made 3 posts before that one
As I am not getting anything satisfactory out of DeathNote (or any more scummy reads) I shall unvote and vote: Furcolow . Let's see how you act with a little more pressure on you. I want answers.
* He didn't post in any of the games he is playing in, and there are several, and he never said he'd be V/LA in any of them. Interpret that as you may. And yes, I know discussion of other games is frowned upon, but I just had to mention these facts.
This newer post is TERRIBLE. It reeks of distancing. It is a completely unprovoked but extensive defense of Furcolow, accompanied by a total sheeping vote on Furcolow and an abandoning of the previous suspicion on DN and mozamis (now CES, iirc). He even said there were no other scummy candidates besides DN, so much so that he was willing to vote for Furcolow, whom he just presented an elaborate, effort-extensive defense of and professed no conviction that Furc was actually scum with the vote. What happened to his suspicion of mozamis?
It looks to me like a flustered Furc scumbuddy who can't decide whether to distance or defend and decided to both, and in this confusion, forgot whom he had previously professed suspicion of.
I don't understand this? Toon fighter's post wasn't really an extensive defense of Furcolow, that seems like an exaggeration. The other points on Toon fighter seemed more sound, but this feels like just finding one more reason to try and push everyone in a direction. I don't really like this post.
AGAR wrote: LlamaFluff wrote:
Furcolow wrote:I'd rather vote: Vezokpiraka
d1 vanilla townie claim
- hurts % of power roles not being hit
- if he's town, he will not scumhunt or lynch correctly
*smack*
No!
unvote
Vote Furc
^ This.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Furcolow
Furc needs to die.
What? I don't understand what happened here at all! AGAR has this great tendency of giving some bullshit reasoning to none at all, and then stating that someone needs to die. I really don't like this trend.
AGAR wrote: MrBuddyLee wrote:AGar, please clarify the exact reason behind your vote on Furcolow. Also, do you still think Surye is scum?
Yes, Surye is stull scum.
Furc vote is because he comes in, responds poorly to pressure in a "convenient" manner (although don't believe it was necessarily intentional) then pulls the Vezok wagon equal with his own with shit shit reasoning.
This "convenient" manner was explained, and is at least partially supported by the non response in other parts of the game. He did give a reason and make a vote. I'm still not liking this AGAR trend.
Mastermind of sin wrote:fuzzylightning has informed me of a V/LA situation soon. Will hold off on his replacement while that resolves.
Oh, I didn't actually see this at the time of my vote. Will address more in a bit.
AGAR wrote: GummyBear wrote:Yes, this means we think Vezok is town.
No, we don't care. He's our D1 lynch choice. I, at least, would vote for Vezok on D1 even if we had mod-confirmation that he was town.
This is scum posting like a fucktard.
GummyBear wrote:
Hey AGar,
I'm glad you called us scum without saying why that was scummy. Early anti-town lynches are something I (quadz) have pressed for as town in at least one completed game, as well as a couple of ongoing ones. Singer has done the same.
Hypothetical situation: You're town. Do you want town-Vezok (or town-Furc, for that matter) in lylo? Cause I sure don't wanna leave my fate in either one of their hands.
Also,
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Vezok wagon is shit, Furc is the VI scumbuddy that ABR is white-knighting right now.
By that logic, Vezok is your VI scumbuddy.
-Gummybear
You're pushing a VI policy lynch on D1 instead of scumhunting. That's called scumposting. You're admitting to try and lynch a player you find to be town. That's scumposting. If you were town, you'd be playing so shitty right now I'd rather have Vezok OR Furc in LYLO than you.
Going "I have pressed for this as town in one game" is the kind of self-metaing that makes me despise anyone using meta as a surefire indicator of alignment. You know you do it as town. You don't have the intelligence of a dead fish. You are very capable of manipulating your meta, and this isn't in a way that locks you into a bad situation (the Vezok situation does, as LF and I have pointed out). The bad play for scum is the only real reason I find it believable that Vezok is prob-town. He's not a bad scum player, I've been scum with him before.
Well, finally some relevance to why there is defense on Vez. I've been wondering this for a while now. But I still don't understand why there is a lacking of addressing the misworded claim? I haven't see you say anything on that AGAR, what do you think? Does Vez really strike you with no problems at all right now?
zinderas wrote:Get a grip. Vezok is not completely useless. At worst, he is a sack of meat. At best, he might do something useful later in the game. The above response to my question proves to me that he is not simply completely ignoring everything people ask him and tell him.
So, people, please, get your head out of your behinds and start hunting for actual scum. I'm not saying Vezok is confirmed town in my eyes, but he deserves a fair chance at playing the game. Regardless of the way you feel about vanilla claims (and I totally agree that a Vanilla claim at this point was not a good move), regardless of the way you feel about the person, look through and look at the role you think he has.
The reasoning in this post is a great part of the reason I decided to stop voting for Vez. My vote for him was not policy based, I really think it's shady that his post didn't match something that we know. Over all though, I looked over his posts and got more of an "I don't know what I'm doing, or how I can save myself" feeling from what I saw, than "I'm scum, I'll just try and give more information to get them off my backs" feel, which is what I got from the misworded post.
Yoasrian2 wrote:Some things in this post give me a bad gut feeling about Lian. The odd wishy washy position of Vez ("He's not defending himself, but maybe that's somewhat less scummy then I thought, but I think his play is detremental, but perhaps we'll worry about it later") feels scummy. The FOS of Furcolow, with a reluctance to go into detail why, also feels like she's trying to have it both ways on that wagon. She also attacks Agar, doesn't say why she's doing that either. She's trying to say that she wants to lynch Vez, but...gets off the Vez wagon, when it's still one of the largest in the game, because it's "not helping the game"?
I have said plenty of times in the past why I find AGAR suspicious, and you can see it more so here now. Look back at my posts if you don't believe me. You can look one post higher as to why I am not on the Vez wagon anymore.
furcolow wrote:Voting a kicklynch on d1?
Medicated Lain is scum
unvote: Furcolow
vote: MedicatedLain
I need to catchup better, admittedly, but from what I can tell LF and AGar are ML's scumbuddies.
AGar is on ML's list of scumreads, capitalized, in the center of 2 other names, and seemingly with very little reasoning
LF because he writes off the Vezok townclaim as confirmed and therefore is for VTs claiming D1. Only scum would want to out the PRs through deductive reasoning.
Uhm, what the hell? There's no reasoning here at all, I don't understand this post at all.
Brian Mcqueso wrote:
Furcolow's last three posts were:
1) Voting for himself
2) Voting for Medicated Lain, whom had no votes* before Yos2's post.
3) Votes for Zindaras, whom also had no votes* before ABR's post.
This is blatant wagon-hopping, try to get behind anything that might possibly turn into a wagon.
*I'm 90% sure on that, but we haven't had a vote count recently and if I missed a vpte, please forgive.
I agree entirely on this. What is up with this Fur? Massive scum points on Fur for this.
Yosarian2 wrote: Medicated Lain wrote:Is it really *that* scummy to look at a situation, and take more factors into account?
1. Saying something about your role that goes against a *fact* is scummy.
2. Not responding in defense feels like a given up state, which is something I don't associate with mafia.
The issue isn't that you're talking factors into account. It's more that it feels like you're being wishy washy on every major bandwagon, which makes me wonder if you're deliberately trying to avoid pinning yourself down to any positions you could be attacked for later.
Fair enough in reasoning. Honestly though, I don't like voting in places unless I have a clear reason. At the time I was posting that, I didn't really have the time to pay attention on a serious enough level. I didn't look over AGAR's further posts any more carefully. I FoSed Fur because things looked scummy on the surface, but I was just skimming over things, and he had plenty of votes on him without me adding on. I voted for a lurker mainly to point out that it's a big problem, and maybe in hopes that it would do the same thing with Furcolow, and he'd come out. (I didn't see the post about him being away)
Yosarian2 wrote: Medicated Lain wrote:Seriously, you need me to keep repeating over and over, why I find these people suspicious? Look at my past posts, it's there
But, other then the "I don't like the way he's defending Vez" reason for suspecting Agar, I don't really understand why she finds any of those 6 people suspicious.
Aside from defending AGAR, he just states a person and says they should die. If there's reasoning included, it's always crap reasoning.
medicated lain wrote:
Kison - What is up with that immediate vote for Mozamis directly after hezlucky for short posting? Not really enough reason to merit trying to start a bandwagon.
Kison wrote: medicated lain wrote: FoS:AGAR -- Very strong defense on Vek, and the reasons aren't really making sense. I also feel like his posts have been very spastic in trying to just stir up anything possible. This would be my second choice for most suspicious, but it seems smarter to lynch Vek, and see if he is scum. If vek is scum, AGAR is my #1 choice for tomorrow.
How much of this relies on your belief that vezokpiraka is scum?
I had stated very clearly why I was voting for Vez, I felt of all the contributions to make this wasn't a very valid one, given that I don't recall seeing him post all that much. I haven't done an ISO though, and my reasoning is nowhere near warranting a vote, just found some things suspicious. Just like that, I had already pointed out a point each for why I find the other two suspicious. You can look back and see for yourself why i voted where. I gave my cases, they were just in the past.
After all this lengthy post, this is what it comes down to:
Furcolow definitely has some strong points against him in those voting habits. I think a Fur lynch could be a scum lynch, so I would not be opposed to voting in this direction.
Vez seems less scummy than I was really convinced before, but at the same time, I still think that his existence won't really help the town.
Amrun felt a bit out of place in some attacks, but nothing else warranted major attention.
Mozamis/Cog refuses to post anything helpful to the game, but still posts. This could be another possible scum hit.
Yos had some points against him earlier in the game, but feels less scummy now.
AGAR is using faulty logic at every turn, and just going vote crazy trying to stir up or add on to whatever he can. I think this is our best shot at scum.
unvote;vote:AGAR
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