Fall of the Matrix: Game Over!

[Furcolow]

Excuse me for trying to vote with townreads on people I find scummy

[AGar]

Excuse me for trying to vote with townreads on people I find scummy

lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol.

Aaaaanyways, I find the attack on Zindaras hilarious.

"We can't find scum D1 in a large! PREPOSTEROUS!"
"Actually, I can. And people do. *link link link*"
"Uhhh, ... VOTE ZINDARAS!"

You guys wanna be more obvious?

{Furcolow, GB, ABR, Surye, X}

[Furcolow]

Zindaras attacking me is attacking the town to me
I don't mind eliminating threats to the town

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote Count #5:

I imagine that right now, you're feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole? - Morpheus

Furcolow (7) - (SensFan, Porochaz, Toon Fighter, BrianMcQueso, Cogito Ergo Sum, AGar, Surye)

Surye (4) - (Internet Stranger, vezokpiraka, Zindaras, HezLucky)
ToonFighter (2) - (Amrun, MrBuddyLee)
Medicated Lain (2) - (LlamaFluff, Yosarian2)
Zindaras (2) - (Albert B. Rampage, Furcolow)
vezokpiraka (2) - (Medicated Lain, GummyBear)
Albert B. Rampage (1) - (creampuffeater)
SensFan (1) - (Primate)
Bamboomancer (1) - (Kison)

With 25 alive, it takes 13 to lynch

MrBuddyLee, creampuffeater, and Bamboomancer have been prodded. Also prodded fuzzylightning again, but I will replace him if I find a replacement before he responds to the prod and starts posting.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras attacking me is attacking the town to me
I don't mind eliminating threats to the town

This post just makes me laugh. I actually agreed with the V/LA argument and called your wagon bad. I did FoS you, but that was on May 7th, which is

4 days

before you actually vote me. There are, what, 8 people who have voted you over the course of the game? And yet I'm the one who's attacking you? The only significant attack I made on you was

after

you voted me. Hence, it cannot be the reason you voted me. I must say, I applaud you for managing to make an illogical OMGUS.

[Furcolow]

you're not voting me

[Zindaras]

you're not voting me

So I should vote you because then I'm not attacking you?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

you're not voting me

^scum

[Yosarian2]

Is it really *that* scummy to look at a situation, and take more factors into account?
1. Saying something about your role that goes against a *fact* is scummy.
2. Not responding in defense feels like a given up state, which is something I don't associate with mafia.

The issue isn't that you're talking factors into account. It's more that it feels like you're being wishy washy on every major bandwagon, which makes me wonder if you're deliberately trying to avoid pinning yourself down to any positions you could be attacked for later.

I've said all along that while Vez is a decent lynch today just because he'd claimed vanilla, that I would be glad to lynch someone else if I thought they were likely to be scum. Vez is a better then random lynch, and it's still one I would still be happy with, but of course the main goal is still to lynch scum. I also said earlier that I would consider lynching TF over Vez. I've certainly never said that Vez is the only logical lynch for today, just that he's a good lynch unless we come up with a better suspect.

But where does the Lain-vote come from? Like I said, I think a gut call is not a lot to change a vote over, especially not with everything that's been going on. What about the rest of her posts?

Gut was perhaps the wrong word. I think she's trying to have it both ways on several major wagons, and avoiding making an absolute commitment one way or another to any of them. It's not just that one post, either, it's all of them, although that post was a good example.

Look at her response to the Vez wagon. First she attacks me for suggesting that Vez's claim is a valid reason to lynch him. Then she votes Vez, apparently because of his claim. And now, in her most recent post, she both attacks and defends Vez at the same time, and she came up with an answer that sounds to me like "I want to lynch Vez, but not today". (Please correct me if that's not what you meant, Lian, but that's the impression I got from your posting.)

She also FOS'd Furcolow, but didn't spend much time talking about him, or really say why she herself suspects him, other then to make a vauge point about "other comments made against him". She has also made several FOS-type attacks against Agar, apparnetly because she dosn't like that he's defending Vez, but she never really explained why she thinks that makes him scum.

She attacked 6 people in that post, and I don't really know why she suspects any of them. And then she votes for someone who flaked before the game started; lurker voting is great, don't get me wrong, but it feeds into the impression I'm getting that she doesn't want to take any real stands this game.

When I voted her, she responds with:

Seriously, you need me to keep repeating over and over, why I find these people suspicious? Look at my past posts, it's there

But, other then the "I don't like the way he's defending Vez" reason for suspecting Agar, I don't really understand why she finds any of those 6 people suspicious.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone's in such a good mood today, I love it ^^

Yosarian is clearly town to me, and my tust for Amurun grows by the post

[Toon Fighter]

I like how furc tried to vote himself once but then afterwards forgot all about it

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am listening to Starfcuker, that explains the jovialness today

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

^that smiley is a scum tell

[Albert B. Rampage]

You know you can trust a smiley face

my smiley face

[Mastermind of Sin]

creampuffeater is V/LA through some point this week when he finishes finals.

[MrBuddyLee]

@Gummybear

and

@Medicated Lain

, what do you think of Vez's 15+ posts? You seem to have a meta on the guy.. so how do his posts in this game compare to his posts as town/scum? (And I'd prefer if you went deeper than just the two vanilla-related posts he's already been attacked for.)

unvote Toon Fighter, vote: Medicated Lain

Claiming you're all about the information and then voting a player who hasn't posted yet--does not compute. Your previous vote on vez looked opportunistic as well. You've taken the time to FOS AGar twice and yet you vote a nonposter over him? So sketchy.

[LlamaFluff]

Im getting pissed with Llama and his obvtown reads. Other than that I hate the submit button being before the preview and I will read up later.

Well wagon on vezok goes away and I will shut up about it, but no way in hell im letting a top town read get lynched if I can do anything about it.

Little more on ML case right now

I really dislike the approach she (see I got it right this time, blame greyice for the problems) takes to some of this pushing. Right now most of what is coming from ML is attacks on AGar instead of her actually pushing on vezok who needs to be scum apparently for AGar case to actually apply. If vezok is town, it means that all of the work that ML has done is gone. More then that, it allows ML to actually coast on the vezok wagon without contributing as much to it, as there is someone else (AGar) that is where noise is coming from.

The biggest think ML has against vezok is that he butchered the win condition claim (something I would not be shocked at if vezok is town). ML never really responded to my point about how to be lying vezok would have needed to look at the sample role, noticed there was no role name or anything along those lines, and then missed an altered win condition, which I just dont see happening. More likely is that he got bored when reading his role, which I could easily see happening as vanilla just not paying attention to the win con since its always essentially the same.

The move to FL is just really ugly to me. Its obvious that its a flake/VLA/etc going on there, but why is it enough to actually drop everything that is going on to address someone that actually hasnt posted yet? If he gets replaced does that mean you are going right back to the vezok wagon? I dont get it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

LlamaFluff thoughts on MBL?

[Porochaz]

Jusus I hav had 2 and a hadfl botrls of wine and lik a fuck lod of southrn confort and you want m to repsoonf. Fact is thjqat you havnt raslly given us enough rsaon to not vot vezok, its just "hes obvtown". Not good nough.

[Kison]

Hahaha. Enjoy tomorrow's migraine.

Surye: Could you please go back and respond to my question earlier?

[Amrun]

I like the medicated lain case, but I like my TF case better.

[LlamaFluff]

LlamaFluff thoughts on MBL?

In the townish pack with most of the game.

Jusus I hav had 2 and a hadfl botrls of wine and lik a fuck lod of southrn confort and you want m to repsoonf. Fact is thjqat you havnt raslly given us enough rsaon to not vot vezok, its just "hes obvtown". Not good nough.

I have said it in a few disjointed posts, or at least vhelmantly argued against it in a style that transcended "is obvtown"

The fact that he claimed is a very bad scum move, worse than vezok is as scum. The really quick wagon on him too, bull. If he was scum, where was the counterwagon? I mean, until the Furc thing no one got beyond what... three votes? It was boom boom boom policy. I just dont see that happening without scum flinching. Look at the one game that has been refrenced a few times. Day one was policy lynches, ani, vezok and gandalf. Gandalf was scum and one scum (Pom) flinched really bad to that happening. There has been no real flinch there.

Now, I still say my theory of him getting the mechanics on vanilla right but not getting the wincondition right is a huge huge point in his favor. Really. I just dont see it. Then again, burnden of proof is not on me here. Most of the pushing against him seems to be from policy esq things for him having claimed VT. A few people (ML) are saying he did something else scummy (what?) but that really hasnt been brought out into the open too much.

I just dont see this being a game where vezok is town. I really just dont see it happening.

[Amrun]

What, you think vezok is scum now?

[LlamaFluff]

What, you think vezok is scum now?

No thats just train of thoughts merging as "cant see vezok scum" and "cant see vezok not flipping town" apparently becomes that.

[Amrun]

I thought so. Just clarifying.