Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

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No one else on my team cared for Mountainous. And I'm a team player.

SocioPath picked the scum game, though.

VOTE: Sociopath

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Vote: Inflatable Pie

I agree with the scumtell Equinox has chosen not to mention.

Where?

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Is it too early to lurker hunt?

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DGB not posting as often is making me a bit skeptical.

I'm busy installing wall glass mosaics. Then I'll be away from Thursday AM to Sunday PM (with daily access). Anyhoo, I have time now, fasten your seatbelts.

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I agree with Equi about Chris, town read there.

I'm interrupting my reading to answer this. I don't agree. Could be a alt faking the nO0b card, I don't know. Maybe he's from a weak team. I will judge him on his own merit.

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TOWN

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Equinox >>> first to post, jumps in. Townie all around.
InflatablePie >>> Suggests self-vote in #28??? Defensive. Self-vote? WHY - but early VCA is mega town tell and erases every other concern I may have had.

HYBRIDS

Llamarable >>> I keep mixing him up with the other Llama.
Klazam >>> Buddying to mith in #39, dumb questions in #52
LLamaFluff >>> #22 self-meta why he's town ??? Votes Equitownx? Aggressive jump on Klazam is good, though. I agree with #76

SCUM

Thor 665 >>> #23 self-meta why he's town ??? wants to hammer mith, not vote him.
SocioPath >>> by his own self-admission. Those are never jokes. And then again in #84
Chris B >>> first post #78 is a promise to lurk with IIoA nonsense.
DemonHybrid >>> meek, "I'm not denying that Equinox could be scum" = I no like. Asks loaded questions only.

LURKERZ

Sevei
Sotty7
mith

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@DGB - Self-meta is fairly useless in this game

Self-meta is a scumtell. You give your self-meta, then you do the opposite, WIFOM-gravy!

I don't self-meta because I am the worst possible judge of myself. I assume that is true of other people, and that the self-meta is a manipulative device, generally.

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Socio is town.

He's not. A player that jokes THREE TIMES that he's scum, is scum. In his brain, he is very nervous about the necessity to be deceptive, and he is releasing this tension by "jokingly" telling the truth.

So Sociopath is scum.

One down, two to go.

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DrippingGoofball is probably scum. Hai Goofball. No, I'm not obvtown, sorry.

You've obvtown... AGAIN. You just can't help it.

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IHowever, some of the most successful scum teams I've seen have had aggressive players in them, especially early in the game. Is this particularly different on this forum, or are you just easily swayed by a strong opening gambit? This goes for both VCA and jumping in early.

I've been scum enough. Strong opening gambits are town tells. Weak entrances are scum tells.

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Llamarble, you tempt me so with my favorite scumtells on Sotty7.

Except that Sociopath is scum 4 sure.

What to do what to do

So little rope, so many necks.

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How sure is 4 sure?

I'm a daycop.

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Also, a little birdy tells me that you hate VT play - thoughts?

Your source is a bird, and the information you got passed through a bird's brain.

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@DGB - I dont think I have done any specific self-meta in this game, although most people in this game/tournament/whatever know my prefrences inside and out.

It's rubbish, in any event, because you could bank on your preference being known to gain an advantage by choosing against said preference. So announcing one's meta has a manipulative component in it, like a Trojan Horse.

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So you're saying it's true or false? I'd like it to pass through a second bird's brain for clarification

It's fun to have a PR, but I don't object to vanilla - that's what I get most of the time. I don't "hate" vanilla. Otherwise I wouldn't be here.

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He has a creamy nougat center.

Delicious.

Sociopath?

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Hive kicking is a town tell, haha.

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SocioPath picked the scum game, though.

Wait...
THE scum game?
What are you implying?
Oh this is good.

Unvote
Vote: DGB

A game with a scum role, that's how you ended up here.

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What favorite scumtells do you see in sotty’s post?

I forget where that was but now I think Sotty is town. I've played with Sotty as scum and as town. I think this is her town version.

It’s obvious you think that Socio would take a scum role, regardless of game. True or false?

Exactly. And he's admitted as much on three different occasion, in this very game. I think joking about being scum is the same as being scum, I've explained the mental theory behind this.

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Catching up; will post later today.

I've seen too many scumz lurk and fake business and postpone

ad infinitum

. Sevei is scum.

Sociopath & Sevei. Only one left.

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@mith

Scumlist plz.

I'm underwhelmed.

Also, Sociopath is scum. How many times does he have to say it before you believe it?

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And a ONE.

SocioPath picked the scum game, though.

VOTE: Sociopath

Oh. Or wait. Then there is that.
DGB just knows me too well.

And a TWO.

On second thought, let's roll with this.

Unvote, Vote: SocioPath

I'm going to let the thread breathe now.

Thats more like it.

And I forget why I thought there was a third.

But then there is this load of self-metamanure:

The mountainous setup is one that is pretty generally stated as being unbalanced for town.
I feel this is bullshit and people keep relying on power roles and using them as a crutch.
There is nothing more pure than actually having to use your words and rely on that instead of waiting around for silly night actions.
Or hiding behind soft claims, or bread crumbs, or cryptography, or other silly nonsense.
Even though this game waters it down a bit with its non-needing of killing the last scum.
So I picked this game for a sense of proof, to show what can be done.
Considering I've won mountainous games in the past, and that was to the last scum dead.
So playing as scum in this game would be counter-productive the point, and would only re-enforce the negative lighting.

So, according to his self-declared meta, we should assume that Scummopath would choose a town game, because as scum this would be COUNTERPRODUCTIVE??? REINFORCE THE NEGATIVE LIGHTING?

Socio's own meta isn't even convincing.

And then he seems to agree that he's scum.

ROPE TIME

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Sotty, who are we lynching?

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What's your opinion on Marable DGB?

My brain is tiny and I can't tell him apart from the other llama. Iso coming up.

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Get with the program, please. Explain why you disagree with the other wagon or die.

No thanks.

Unvote
Vote: Klazam

This was the post that made me think Socio was town. His out right refusal to co-operate with Equi combined with a good Klazam vote.

For Socio that's a null-tell.

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On

Llamamarble

(I hope I the right Llama)

(0) RVS self-vote is scummy like Sociopath blurting out that he's scum.

(1) He's asking players questions about why they chose this game on the premise that whoever is scum, chose to be.

The premise itself is wobbly, because of the particular that this game is mountainous and many people are averse to that - it can be a short straw "pick." However, why bring something up that might expose himself, if he were scum?

(2) However, he subscribes to Thor's self-meta uncritically.

(3) "Sociopath is my first guess for a Klazambuddy for voting him & voting him again while not doing much else, but we'll see how things shake out." Then why not vote Sociopath instead of Klazam? Klazam hangs a bit lower than Sociopath on the fruit tree.

(4) In post #7, he says he'll have limited access, but there is a will to make up for that in the three large wallzoposts that follow.

(5) He finds behavior in Sotty that I normally find scummy in others, but I know Sotty better than I used to and I see enough reasons to give her the benefit of the doubt.

VERDICT: Sociopath is still the King of 5!<u/\/\.

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(6) Llamarble ate the paragraph key on his keyboard.

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TOWN

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Equinox >>> first to post, jumps in. Townie all around.
InflatablePie >>> Suggests self-vote in #28??? Defensive. Self-vote? WHY - but early VCA is mega town tell and erases every other concern I may have had.

DrippingGoofball is probably scum. Hai Goofball. No, I'm not obvtown, sorry.

You've obvtown... AGAIN. You just can't help it.

@ mith
I'm not sure where you get the idea that I'm hedging my bets on Equinox in case it "goes south."

I'm trying to figure out if that misrep comes from scum or town or if someone slipped something in your drink.

In other news

, Llamamarble & Sotty are sounding like town vs. town.

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All right. The buzz in my hive(My teammates, if its not being obvious) is telling me to look @ DGB.

I'm looking and i'm finding DGB very unreadable.

Am i correct in assuming that the main case on DGB is mainly about how DGB cannot say Sociopath is town? What else? If you all could clarify this, it would be awesome.

Checking in, reading - I will answer this before I forget. I have a scum read on Sociopath's mega-OMGUS case, which will make anyone think twice before voting him and making cases on him - re-inforcing my scumread on him. My town read is on Equinox.

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Though i consider my skills reading DGB to be roughly akin to my skills reading braille, my team of birdies all generally agree that DGB 1. doesn't care for town games and 2. would have been more...DGBish (derpy? I dunno) if she had been town. Since I can't read the silly bint anyway, she's a solid A1 lynch in my opinion.

@Llama - terseness as a scumtell...yeah, I'll look forward to the actual case.

Grrrrrrrrrrr I hate this frikkin computer and browser I lost my post because I was ninja's and didn't push post and this dumb browser doesn't have memory like tyhe awesome Firefox. re-posting

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OK.

I demand that Thor and his imaginary friends show that I DON'T CARE FOR TOWN GAMES. I have never, ever, wrote any such thing, in PM, in QTs, in Discussion, in game, on tree bark, or carved into rosk, that I don't care for town games. Jesus. If you look really hard, you might, instead, find EVIDENCE that I prefer to hunt scum than to lie.

SHOW LINKS. You think your BS makes me a good Day 1 lynch??? And you want people to just take your word for it? PLEASE HUMILIATE YOURSELF AND FAIL TO SHOW EVIDENCE, for you have none.

There is one single instance, that I recall, that you might infer, wrongly, a preference for scum games. But since your meta case is utter and complete BS, I would bet that you don't even know about it.

Because if you actually had looked for evidence of my preference, you'd be more likely to find that I prefer to hunt scum than to fool people.

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Thor is scum. But I'm already voting scum. And this computer is a bitch to use so going back and forth is a pain.

I will have access tomorrow Sunday with this krap compy, and I'll be back on Monday on my real computer hungry for scum blood.

The scum better engineer my lynch now, before it's too late for them.

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If you prefer town, DrippingGoofball, why did you choose scum in Pledge of Allegiance?

I'm glad you asnwered this,

AFTER

Thor showed us all that

he

didn't know about this game, as I suspected.

That was the ONE instance where one could infer a preference.

HOWEVER -

I choose scum to break a really long string of town games. I think I might even have told my scumpals in the QT, but I don't keep track of the QTs, and I'm too lazy to look up the QT link in the original game with this loathsome computer browser. I have a vague recollection of having posted about my motivation for the choice in the QT, I think we all discussed our motives. Maybe even in end game. But my memory is that this is in the QT.

Whoever looks this up with a more efficient browser would be a sweetheart.

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Actually - even if that's definitely what I was thinking, I may not have been able to post it because of ongoing games... or maybe I worded it in a way that wouldn't implicate concurrent games... I do have a memory of thinking it, and posting about it.

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To clarify - the actual accusation was 'doesn't care for VT' but I'll hit up the QT and report back.

Just noticed this.

It's unfortunate that Equinox didn't wait until Thor gave us more BS, actually.

Anyhoo, I'm pretty sure he can't find that I don't care for VT, because I doubt I would ever say that.

Forget preferences, have I ever flaked, replaced out, or played half-assed because I was a VT, ever?

I get NK'd early, so it's not optimal for my side if I have a PR, and I don't get much of a chance to do much with it so......

@Thor

SHOW EVERYONE THE "DON'T CARE FOR VT" since you were willing to eat my heart for it. SHOW IT. If you're willing to LYNCH, you must have evidence, and this evidence must be relevant, right?

And if you perchance find evidence that I prefer to be town, which you might if you actually search for anything, are you going to share with with the rest of us?

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Thor's willing-to-lynch on baseless meta arguments is scum smelling a lynch, and digging his heels in for the kill. And appealing to the authority of "birdies" is a very clear shifting of the blame, when I flip town.

NOT town behavior. Thor is someone who wants a town lynch, period.

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I...uh....never claimed I knew jack all. I claimed I got it from my crewmates.

But you thought I was a good lync on this evidence?

Arright, I've played enough with you, more would be cruel.

VOTE: Thor

Socio will wait.

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EBWOP

lynch not lync, still hate compy without spellcheck.

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DGB seems to be grasping for a lifeline with the Thor stuff, and I’m finding it really hard to be bothered about preference meta anyway… (This argument is veering in the direction of self-meta, which DGB herself called a scumtell. Double meh.)

Yeah I know. But I've been backed into a corner by meta arguments that are patently false. You gotta fight fire with fire, or in this case, fight fake rubbish with real rubbish. It's still rubbish. BUT - do you see town motivations for Thor to be doing this? He's seriously WILLING TO LYNCH on unsupported, false information that he claims to have conveniently gotten from his team mates. I'm really worried that you're not picking up on this.

DGB: I thought SP made a good point wrt you negating [can’t remember who]’s town read by calling it a null tell for SP. If you think SP’s behaviour is scummy, what would you have expected him to be doing as town?

Help me here, this browser sucks and I'm limited with my ability to have multiple windows (I can't seem to open two windows, even by clicking on the program bar), and I'm stuck with it until Sunday only. Looking things up is a major hurdle right now.

See also post 257; I want a response to those points.

OK, I have to post, and go back to the orginal post to follow this link. Have I mentioned how much I loathe this browser?

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Thor's willing-to-lynch on baseless meta arguments is scum smelling a lynch, and digging his heels in for the kill.

No one else on my team cared for Mountainous. And I'm a team player.

SocioPath picked the scum game, though.

VOTE: Sociopath

SocioPath picked the scum game, though.

Wait...
THE scum game?
What are you implying?
Oh this is good.

Unvote
Vote: DGB

A game with a scum role, that's how you ended up here.

I don't know why I bother answering scum. You damn well know the difference between early game, let's-get-the-game-going stuff, and the real reason I am voting for you (you declared yourself to be scum, twice), and what Thor is doing.

If you were town, you'd support me. But I'm town, and I'm voting for you, so that changes your perspective, does it not?

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Just a quick heads up that I've had some pretty major family stuff going on. As a result, I'm skim reading right now. Just wanted to check in since I ill-advisedly said the 24 hours thing. Whichever way the lynch goes, I'm looking forward to some proper information coming out of it (hopefully).

Again, I can't check stuff easily with this browser, is anyone keeping an eye on this guy? Has he done anything?

He doesn't care about the lynch, but he's looking forward to MAYBE hopefully get some information from it? When someone is within hammering rage???? That's what we're getting????????

Is this really his first game here (I assume, Townperson status), or is he an alt well versed in the dark arts of lurking?

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See also post 257; I want a response to those points.

Is this the right link??? There's nothing I see there for me to answer. Nothing to do with me. Am I going blind? Or are you addressing someone else?

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Just a quick heads up that I've had some pretty major family stuff going on. As a result, I'm skim reading right now. Just wanted to check in since I ill-advisedly said the 24 hours thing. Whichever way the lynch goes, I'm looking forward to some proper information coming out of it (hopefully).

Again, I can't check stuff easily with this browser, is anyone keeping an eye on this guy? Has he done anything?

He doesn't care about the lynch, but he's looking forward to MAYBE hopefully get some information from it? When someone is within hammering rage???? That's what we're getting????????

Is this really his first game here (I assume, Townperson status), or is he an alt well versed in the dark arts of lurking?

RE-POSTING.

This.

Is.

Bugging.

Me.

IMMENSELY.

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So your current theory is that my team said nothing about you and I made the whole thing up?

Did I hit a raw nerve? Amirite? It's perfectly realistic. You have this vague idea that you can use unsupported metas to cast aspersions on a player towards your goal of getting a non-scumpal lynch, and you say your superteam-mates said it, so you're not responsible for the misrep. Your reaction sounds like I got it right.

One of them has reported in and said it was a read s/he saw first advanced by ABR in Metropolis mafia and claims validity from her/his own observations. I'll offer more as others check in.

What good is it if ABR or anyone else says what MY PREFERENCES are? And that someone else "observes" my preference? How can you observe my preference, unless I have stated it? I certainly never shared my preferences with ABR. You're looking worse with every post where you try to defend an indefensible position. You're relying on a Chinese Telephone to lynch a player, like a good little scum.

On Monday I should be able to show you where I have actually stated the OPPOSITE preference to that which ABR, your birdies, or voice in your head imagined that I have.

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Oh, and don't put words into my mouth. Alternatively, show me where I said 'maybe', since you deemed it worthy of capitalising.

There were no quotes. It was not a quote.

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The fact that DGB is willing to attack Thor's meta reasons for voting (easy) all the while mostly ignoring Socio's case on her (hard) makes me willing to leave my vote on her.

Thor's meta reasons are easy to attack because they clearly come from scum. Do you think Thor is town, but he's easy to attack, or he's scum caught in an obvious krap attack?

I'm reminded of a recent theme game http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 79&start=0 Metropolis where ABR made this huge case on me that I knew would lead to my lynch, and that defending myself would be pointless, and my last remaining time in the game was best spent hunting scum. I self-voted, tried to find scum, and that was it. The only reason I'm not voting myself is out of respect of the rest of my superteam. I didn't feel like arguing with ABR. It's very unpleasant, I've done it before, and I didn't care to do it again.

I don't care to argue against Sociopath anymore than I care to argue against ABR. For the record, both ABR and myself were town in that game.

I don't see anyone else making cases, aside from myself, but I'll be more convincing dead, than alive at this point, and my experience says that even after my flip, my cases will be forgotten.

Everyone is happy sucking Sociopath's teat of an OMGUS case and getting rolled over by scum.

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We've been one off a lynch for some time. So I want to ask this question to the following:

I want to know why there is so little scum hunting going on. Your questions are pretty loaded in the direction of gelling my lynch into a foregone conclusion.

It should be pretty clear that there is a proportion of scum that doesn't want to hammer a townie.