Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[Amrun]

I remember liking his d1 posting, but this stalling is annnoying.

[Meransiel]

Everybody stalls.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

This game needs a kick in the ass.

Obvious solution is to lynch MBLscum.

[Meransiel]

Heh, why the fuck not?

unvote

Vote: MBL

I guess we can afford a mislynch anyway (not saying it will be a mislynch).

[scotmany12]

My top 3, and I'd be able to lynch any of the following three. Meransial, Apokalyptica (my gut tells me he is a scum doublevoter, due to the amount of powerroles the town already seems to have), and implosion, simply by process of elimination. I don't think MBL or Bella are scum.

MBL. I think Mer is more likely to be scum than Bella. This is pretty much how bella plays, all the time. I stated that Mer looked better near the end of day one. But his vote on kunkster is horrible. And just now his vote on MBL. He's noncommital, and just seems to be following people around.

Amrun is looking town at the moment. She seems sincere, though very off based at times. And recent developments make her seem town.

[scotmany12]

Vote: Meransiel

[Amrun]

If bella always plays this way, how does that make her town?

[scotmany12]

I don't believe both Meransiel and Bella are scum.

[Amrun]

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

[MrBuddyLee]

I guess we can afford a mislynch anyway.

We can?

Amrun, can you please link to the last game in which you were scum?

[MrBuddyLee]

I just tracked down two games in which Bella was scum. Wrestling and LOST. She lurked through the first 29 pages of Wrestling before being replaced (with a v/la as an excuse for some of that) and she didn't hunt scum much in LOST and was eliminated early.

Not seeing how her play in this game is uniquely townish for her. If it is, please explain more clearly.

[implosion]

I fell asleep at like 7 or 8 last night >_> just got around to finishing them.

Amrun

Posts 10-11 (all these are in ISO) draw suspicion of a mozamis-Meransiel team (which, obviously, we know not to be the case). This is a mild scumtell considering how many people were making the same accusation, but nonetheless pair speculation on day one makes more sense for the mafia than for the town as it gives them a larger pool from which to lynch and can set up mislynches if one of the people being speculated about is mafia.
Post 13 I don't like. Amrun states the Amished tell and follows it up with "reaaaaaaaaaaly not liking MBL." The Amished tell alone seems like a pitiful justification for a strong fos like this, in fact I don't see the merit in the tell at all,

especially

considering what MBL actually said in his first post.
17ish-20ish pushing on Meransiel, I like. Meransiel was scummy at this point in the game.
33 is kind of bad. Replacing out when under heat doesn't mean mafia, and if it is "iffy" then there's really little reason to find it "far more scummy" as Amrun stated in 35.
37 Amrun basically admits that replacing is a nulltell. Minor townpoints for that, i guess.
46 is a reads post. I don't see anything especially scummy in it. It seems similar to what I was thinking on a lot of fronts. Some townpoints for that.
50ish conversation with mozamis looks like town encouraging mozamis to contribute if town.
57 and 60 are scummy because of the manner in which Amrun pushes MBL/CES as scumbuddies. I like the way it was phrased in 57, something like "if one of them flips scum I will attack the other one" to an extent - but the way it was phrased in 60, "Occam's Razor tells me they're both scum" both contradicts the first way it was phrased and is scummy on its own - I already explained why attacking scumbuddies before they've flipped is scummy. On the other hand the last paragraph of 60 looks somewhat town. Still, overall scumpoints for those two posts.
73 looks town in changing the Meransiel read, partially because I think this is the time that I was thinking similar things and partially because the logic used looks like town.
I pretty much skimmed the rest (long ISO), but I really didn't see anything that made me feel strongly. And even after this I don't really have that strong of a read on Amrun. The pushing on pairs is scummy, but there are also points where Amrun looks like town, and my gut also says that Amrun is town based on some of the logic that she's used.

scotmany

5 is pair speculation, but only saying that he could see the pair, not pushing it. So that's null.
7 is similar, but he's pushing on them individually. Also null.
8 looks town. The first MBL push was bad.
The rest of his posts until 24 look generally like town. He's pushing where pressure should be applied.
24 and 26 are an interaction with kunk. I feel like it could be distancing, but am fairly null on whether it's distancing or a real question.
33 is slightly odd, but he explained it in 35.
His claiming is really odd. If CES had tracked him to CES, then CES would have either asked him to claim or wouldn't be pushing on him (as CES said). Not sure what to make of it at the moment.
Overall, scot reads town. I just don't really see anything scummy that he's done.

Bella

iirc, tuncali read noobtown to me, but in a way that could have just been meta.
2, I dislike. I don't like Bella commenting on iam's criticism of his predecessor at this stage in the game. A lot of it is also just echoing what others have said.
Everything else she's said reads null to me. I think she's a bit scummy. There's a lot of going along with the crowd, and i'm not really sure about her reasoning on Meransiel. She leans scum.

I may also do a reread of kunk at some point, but not right now.

By the way, I have a qualm about Apok's claim, but it can be easily satisfied if she's real. Apok, can you vote for the same person twice to show that you can? Anyone is fine. Scot appears to have had the same thought as me - I'm just paranoid about it because Shanba is notable for trying to defy meta. If Apok is a scum doublevoter, I'd *expect* her to only be able to vote separate people, and if she can vote the same person twice then that means two things. First, she's more dangerous if she is scum. Second, she's less likely to be scum. She's also (iirc) claimed to be able to vote the same person twice, so I want to see it in case she's scum who wants to slide by and avoid what I'm thinking.

Vote: Bella

Meransiel is probably town as before. MBL still reads town.

[scotmany12]

I just tracked down two games in which Bella was scum. Wrestling and LOST. She lurked through the first 29 pages of Wrestling before being replaced (with a v/la as an excuse for some of that) and she didn't hunt scum much in LOST and was eliminated early.

Not seeing how her play in this game is uniquely townish for her. If it is, please explain more clearly.

It's not uniquely town. It's uniquely Bella/Izzy. Go look at Bella/Izzy games when town. You'll see that she lurks throughout most of all her games.

[Shanba]

Vote Count coming after exam tomorrow

[Apokalyptika]

Fair enough.

Unvote: MBL, Vote: implosion

Not liking MBL's specifically tracking down Bella's scum games and no others in his meta analysis. Just from ISOing her in Open 272, she seemed fairly lurky.

[Amrun]

My scum games are in my wiki.

I do have some newer town games I haven't added yet.

[MrBuddyLee]

Well damn, Amrun, you're deadly scum. Bravo.

Time for a reread.

[Amrun]

What does that mean?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

He's presumably referencing the fact that you survived and won all 3 of your scum games.

[Meransiel]

Sorry for not having time to contribute.

unvote

[MrBuddyLee]

@implosion, did you reread Meransiel's play or are you standing on your previous judgment?

[Amrun]

He's presumably referencing the fact that you survived and won all 3 of your scum games.

Well I thought he meant because I got nominated for a scummy for my scum play.

I just wanted to clarify.

I am much better as scum, which is kind of depressing x.x

[implosion]

@implosion, did you reread Meransiel's play or are you standing on your previous judgment?

As I said, Meransiel is probably town as before. I didn't reread Meransiel. I only reread the people that I didn't really have a good read on at all. I feel like I have a decent townread on Meransiel.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:
2: Meransiel

(Amrun, scotmany12)

2: implosion

(Apokalyptica, Apokalypika)

1: Mrbuddylee

(Cogito Ergo sum)

1: Bella

(implosion)
Not Voting:

MrBuddyLee, Bella, Meransiel

[implosion]

Unvote, Vote: Apokalyptica