Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[Faraday]

This isn't about who I love baby. (And he's literally the most obvious townie in the game)

[Gammagooey]

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

PoE-wise? Seriously?

There's 22 players left. In the neighborhood of 5-6 scum.

Does that not seem a *wee* bit early to be invoking PoE as an explanation?

It's more like there aren't that many people who are LESS likely town than him so although he hasn't really done much scummy stuff so I can see him being scum pretty easily.

[Gammagooey]

This isn't about who I love baby. (And he's literally the most obvious townie in the game)

<3

[Magua]

Magua/Equinox/DDD are weaker town reads.

I'm shooting scum. That should be a much larger towntell.

But, I like you. And not just for your accent this time.

[Faraday]

Shooting scum is a scumtell. You were lynched for it and Hascow was scum. OUTPLAYED.

[Parama]

He didn't shoot scum so <.<
He didn't shoot so >.>

[hitogoroshi]

Gonna be a little spotty on posting next couple of days. I'm at my computer, but I'm moving back home 6am tomorrow and there's a lot of packing and such to be done first.

Don't like VV 206.

Ooba:

Do you think we *shouldn't* stay off whatever domain has the most worships tonight?

Don't like Sotty's 239 "Following it up with another huge wall isn't doing you any favors." Hard to explain exactly why - it feels more like a subtle threat than a legitimate request to stop walling (and for the record, I have nothing against Plumwalls. MoI walls can get kinda bad but they're manageable when he's active enough that they can be relatively short. they're a bitch on mondays though)

Don't like singers "Unvote. Probably going back to policy lynching NobodySpecial." I mean...before finishing reading the game, you think you're not going to find better? -_-

And for the record, while NobodySpecial is alwaysscum, there is ONE meta-tell on him that I have a decent degree of confidence in, and at least so far he's clean, so hey.

Don't like Parama calling out people for not liking walls (Katsuki) while simultaneously admitting to not reading them.

HATE this shit:

my vote feels sad. oh well ^.^

Worst post of the fucking game thus far, no contest.

If Parama flips scum Sottyrulez 302 links them as a probable buddy for disgusting amounts of coaching. "Oh Parama, if you change x and y about how you post, you probably won't get lynched. Also move your vote and look like a productive townie: just follow me."

Just throwing this out there: What if AGM is lying?

He's not. Could be scum (though I'm not as strongly opinionated about it, learning he's only seen you as scum) but I have every bit of confidence if we lynch mothrax the day continues on.

My lonely vote is a vote on scum :/
It's lonely but also confident.

"...but I don't really care if anyone else joins me"

Faraday makes a good point that lashing out in anger suggests mothrax-town.

MAGUA YOU BRILLIANT SON OF A BITCH. THAT BETTER BE A REAL DAYVIG.

Hito is a lot of setup speculation (which is fine, I enjoy it). I don't like his Almaster-is-scum stance, and I find cognitive dissonance between "Almaster's power is horribad for town" and his first post being "Let's policy lynch Nobody Special." However, I do like his calling Faraday town and his calling Parama scum.

I'm NOT saying Almaster's power is horribad for town. But Almaster said "THIS OBVIOUSLY IS NOT A SCUM ABILITY" and I was refuted that by saying it'd actually be a fairly powerful scum ability. It'd also be a decent town ability, not horribad at all. What IS horribad is suggesting the argument that is essentially "This would be a bad scum ability, so I'm conf. town".

Duplicity: For the record the reason there are few "conclusions" reached from setup speculation is because I'm not DONE yet. I want to make a single guide that can't possibly be missed so scum can't claimed they just didn't notice. Honestly, in this setup, the biggest boon of speculation won't be CATCHING scum - it'll be bullying scum off of optimal play. But progress is considerably slower here because I have to write NOT KNOWING the worship distribution, which means I have to write for all of them.

If you want conclusions, here's a sneak peak: We're avoiding any domain with more than one worship tonight. We're probably worshiping Justice and Balance if neither of them have any worships. But we're going to need to create two lists of roughly equal "net towniehood" (unless we're domain/worship claiming, which we probably shouldn't) because all piling on one of the two domains is bad news bears.

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

the fuck is this

Goddamn I know this is post is ugly but that's what happens in a game this fast and that's gonna continue to happen until I'm home and unpacked (saturday/sunday)

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Let's Be Honest, You Didn't Read That: The TL;DR Corner

Parama's ISO 18 and ISO 19 are awful.

Faraday and mothrax are town. NobodySpecial is typical null with a few townie brownies for not infringing on my one meta tell on him.

singersinger and VV are looking bad but not Parama-bad.

investigators reference style thing (I need a snappy name!) is in the works but a nightmare to figure out

[Magua]

Shooting scum is a scumtell. You were lynched for it and Hascow was scum. OUTPLAYED.

Good game, sir. Good game.

He didn't shoot scum so <.<
He didn't shoot so >.>

*snores*

[VP Baltar]

If parama flips scum, hito should be lynched next probs.

[sottyrulez]

Yo Hito, missing something?

~Sotty

[hitogoroshi]

Sotty: Nope. Plum mentoined what I'm talking about in the post directly after that one.

[sottyrulez]

The explanation I post should be clear on why I found Plum's walls scummy and it wasn't because "OMG WALLZ R BAD". Are you really trying to dispute otherwise?

~Sotty

[sottyrulez]

Case in point, I haven't commented on other peoples walls making them scummy.

[Equinox]

Oh, hey, hitogoroshi, while you're still here:

It wastes a neighborize if you're targeted. I just feel like if I had a "can't be neighborized" in my role I'd claim it first post, y'know?

Did you find their failure to mention this aspect to be scummy?

[sottyrulez]

I'd also like to know if he expected us to claim that even if we weren't a miller.

[hitogoroshi]

The explanation I post should be clear on why I found Plum's walls scummy and it wasn't because "OMG WALLZ R BAD". Are you really trying to dispute otherwise?

~Sotty

I understand (but disagree with) the point on the Nicki wall. But your point on her second wall is just that "Parama is an easy target", which doesn't satisfy me at all.

And independent of any explanations, I just don't like the phrasing "isn't doing you any favors."

Oh, hey, hitogoroshi, while you're still here:

It wastes a neighborize if you're targeted. I just feel like if I had a "can't be neighborized" in my role I'd claim it first post, y'know?

Did you find their failure to mention this aspect to be scummy?

Eh, on reflection, not really. I personally would claim it in their first post same as Miller, but it'd only really be scummy to not do it if that WASN'T a part of the role and just something they made up later, and that just seems a little screwball without anyone claiming neighborizer.

[Equinox]

Hmm... Eh. Okay.

Also, sottyrulez:

Hito, would you neighborize a claimed Miller?

Sure. Why wouldn't I?

[Equinox]

Oh, wait, scratch that quote. I misread post 389. :doom:

[sottyrulez]

Well see, Sotty explained why she disliked the wall, and then it was oh, you did it again, so it's grating on me even more now.

Which is the way I'm seeing it vs you not liking the phrase "isn't doing you any favors."

-Zach

[Gammagooey]

gassssssssssssp.
I was gonna ask you about why Duplicity-scum but PoE-wise it makes sense.

the fuck is this

YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
HERE HAVE A FREEBIE.

Spoiler: picture

Also see my post 376.

[Parama]

He didn't shoot scum so <.<
He didn't shoot so >.>

*snores*

My logic:
1. Magua is scum
2. Scum wouldn't have a public daykill
3. Magua doesn't have a public daykill
4. Magua didn't shoot

In case scum does somehow have a public daykill, please take out magua, quadz, and vv, in that order. Thanks

[Nicki Minaj]

If you want conclusions, here's a sneak peak: We're avoiding any domain with more than one worship tonight. We're probably worshiping Justice and Balance if neither of them have any worships. But we're going to need to create two lists of roughly equal "net towniehood" (unless we're domain/worship claiming, which we probably shouldn't) because all piling on one of the two domains is bad news bears.

You know, worship results are never made public. Every player is sent a PM at the end of the day with their usable faith for the night. So idk how you're planning on doing this.

Duplicity's case is distancing because he made it on a player that didn't have any votes and wasn't attracting any attention. The case is terrible and has a lot of fluff. This implies that Duplicity already knows that VPB is scum and is making as big a case as possible so that he can point back to it later.

[Magua]

My logic:
1. Magua is scum
2. Scum wouldn't have a public daykill
3. Magua doesn't have a public daykill
4. Magua didn't shoot

In case scum does somehow have a public daykill, please take out magua, quadz, and vv, in that order. Thanks

So, and I want to make sure that this is understood, after you're dead, everyone should find #2 to be more likely to be false than #1?

[Parama]

Yessir.
You're scum.
If I die, 2 thru 4 must be true.
That doesn't mean 1 isn't true.
I won't die so .-.

[VP Baltar]

Duplicity's case is distancing because he made it on a player that didn't have any votes and wasn't attracting any attention. The case is terrible and has a lot of fluff. This implies that Duplicity already knows that VPB is scum and is making as big a case as possible so that he can point back to it later.

OMG, Niki knows duplicity is scum making a bad case so he's saying it's distancing from me so he can chain lynches when duplicity flips scum. ...you see how stupid that WIFOM is?