Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[ReaperCharlie]

MarchHare. Alliance w/me in this game? Yes/No.

MoS is also invited. mikeburnfire and Thor are not.

[Thor665]

I hate fake day vigs. Thor, can you show me a game where you've fake dayvigg'd as Town?

Nope - though if you're willing to believe self meta this is the first time I've done it ever. As noted, I'm crawling the walls over here, by page 10 most games are much further along than this one, I feel like we're being trapped in eternal RVS.

Thor takes the opposite side of the debate, saying that scumhunting has little value as far as catching scum goes until a little later into the game (late day 1, and day 2). He says that cases built before then are going to be weak, although clearly advocates early aggression.

I'll agree with you about Dana shifting somewhat on where his debate point with March Hare was.
I fully and absolutely agree with dana that I was not taking the debate point you seem to believe I was taking. Go re-read me and reappraise.

MarchHare. Alliance w/me in this game? Yes/No.

MoS is also invited. mikeburnfire and Thor are not.

That is a town alliance of ultimate win...
RC is on my scummy list now.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ooooh. I'm scared.

You're just butthurt that you're not invited to the party.

[Thor665]

I'm hurt I'm not invited to the town party where you're voting one of the town?
Eh...not really.
Keep obfuscating your reads though - it's really townie.

[ReaperCharlie]

What makes you a townie? Hmm?

[Thor665]

My role PM.

[ReaperCharlie]

Describe what reasons I should believe that you are a townie, over my overwhelming feeling that you are scum.

[Ant_to_the_max]

RC- Do you think MoS is town?
If yes, then why vote him?

[ReaperCharlie]

I have no idea at this point.

Do YOU think MoS is town?

[Ant_to_the_max]

Just checking.

Perhaps if you guys didn't spam up the topic so much, it would be worth MoS's time.

This.

Not sure myself, but really annoying if he is going to actually use this as an excuse.

[Thor665]

Describe what reasons I should believe that you are a townie, over my overwhelming feeling that you are scum.

I barely like to make cases about who is scum, I have very little desire to make a case for myself being town. I would point out your reasons for suspecting me scum are gak and hooey, and I don't even know what they are - but that's as far as I'm willing to carry you.

Ant can join you in the scumboat. I actually want to kill over half the playerlist now. This is not happy/fun times.

[ReaperCharlie]

Perhaps if you guys didn't spam up the topic so much, it would be worth MoS's time.

This.

Not sure myself, but

really annoying if he is going to actually use this as an excuse.

This.

[ReaperCharlie]

Describe what reasons I should believe that you are a townie, over my overwhelming feeling that you are scum.

I barely like to make cases about who is scum, I have very little desire to make a case for myself being town. I would point out your reasons for suspecting me scum are gak and hooey, and I don't even know what they are - but that's as far as I'm willing to carry you.

Ant can join you in the scumboat.

I actually want to kill over half the playerlist now.

This is not happy/fun times.

Bolded above should be your first clue that you're wrong.

Gak and hooey is my playstyle. Don't like it, replace out.

Who all's in the scumboat at this point? I'd like to know.

[Thor665]

Bolded above should be your first clue that you're wrong.

Gak and hooey is my playstyle. Don't like it, replace out.

Who all's in the scumboat at this point? I'd like to know.

1. I know I'm wrong - but I submit that the blame should be spread around and made clear.

2. I'll replace out if you're town, as then gak and hooey as a playstyle affects me. Otherwise it helps me - please fullclaim so I know what to do.

3. From the player list.

danakillsu
Ant_to_the_max
Mastermind of Sin
Ragnarokio
ReaperCharlie
animorpherv1
MarchHare

Yeah, I'm not happy about that either, so don't come in saying 'Wah-wah, Thor should scumhunt better'. Yeah, maybe you're right, but maybe everyone on this list who is town should up their game quality for me too.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, don't get me wrong. I totally agree about upping the game quality

usually

being better for town overall. In theory, it would be always vice usually. But I also think that blurring the lines is a perfectly acceptable way to out scum who want to look like they're participating in a sausage slapfest without providing any useful information, and subconsciously, they may give away clues to motivation that townies would not give.

So my stance is that effective scumhunting can take place at almost any level of game quality, barring outright lurkage/replacements galore.

I can full claim if you want, but I usually prefer to save that for later when it's more dramatic and less of a "WTF why is he already claiming" moment for everyone else. In the meantime, however, I guess you'll just have to put up with my G&H™ DUB Edition for a bit longer.

I'm not saying you should scumhunt better either, per se. I'm saying that scumhunting isn't just taking everyone who's giving off scum vibes and throwing them into the scumbucket, like you're doing. That hampers your ability to actually find scum, more than anything else. If your list was a "people who have committed tells" list, I'd be a lot more agreeable to everyone on that list being on that list.

However, I find that reading the game with a scum bias from so many people leads me to second-guess my instincts more often than not (at least up to 80%, with over half of the player list feeling scummy), and that's never good for deciding who is scum because at that point you just start becoming desensitized to your gut feelings, and you begin to listen to whoever has more charisma in the game, or seems to make the better points. And that's when the skill of the scum team comes into play. If they have what it takes in terms of charisma to change your mind, or even have one slight little claw into your mind to make you doubt yourself, you'll usually pick wrong in LyLo. I could even use Newbie 1059 as an example. The only difference is that it wasn't you that made the final mistake.

As far as the Alliance goes, you're now 100% invited, after this last posting exchange.

[PeregrineV]

this game is just filled to the brim with cool people.

@Peregrine: Any reason in particular you don't find anyone suspicious?

This game is just filled to the brim with cool people.

And, lots of suspicious behavior, but not mafia-type suspicious behavoir.

Not sure a re-read will help a this point, but will probably do that in the next day or two, unless something else happens.

[Mastermind of Sin]

MarchHare. Alliance w/me in this game? Yes/No.

MoS is also invited. mikeburnfire and Thor are not.

Personally, I'd rather be in an alliance with MBF and CDB.

a) They're awesome
b) All of our names are abbreviated with 3 letters

Sorry, but you don't qualify for either of those precepts.

Mmm, this is fun. Words taste like peaches!

/out.

MoS: 2, RC: 0

[ReaperCharlie]

Very well.

[mothrax]

animorpherv1 has been prodded.

[Ragnarokio]

ALRIGHT DANA

I still think that your case on MarchHare is invalid, but I can understand where you're coming from a little now, and you don't seem so scummy anymore, so I'm going to drop this one before it gets needlessly convoluted.

[ReaperCharlie]

ALRIGHT DANA

I still think that your case on MarchHare is invalid, but I can understand where you're coming from a little now, and you don't seem so scummy anymore, so I'm going to drop this one before it gets needlessly convoluted.

Backtracking, eh?

[Energetic Penguin]

I'm currently Iso'ing people and narrowing down my scumspects.

Dana, could you share with us your feelings on MarchHare as the game progressed?

I have no idea > crazy active lurker > intentional content-less poster > scum pretending not to understand any of my points on him. Or at the very least scum not trying to understand my points on him.

I don't really get this, Marchhare's posts may be short but there's definitely content in them.

[MarchHare]

ReaperCharlie, do you have the same alliance meta as SpyreX?

then that's pretty sad. It's one line. You said you tried to derail it because it was horrible. Good for you, anyone would say the same. Saying it doesn't make it so.

You continually misconstrue the intent behind my distaste for the mike wagon and then ignore my stated reasons for said displeasure.

[ReaperCharlie]

ReaperCharlie, do you have the same alliance meta as SpyreX?

Not sure; what's his?

Technically it's possible, but I have my own version of everything I do.

You in or out?

[MarchHare]

I'm pretty sure he only calls for alliances when he's town.