Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1700 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:38 pm

His answer is going to be "this isn't an open setup, so I won't be answering", but I'll ask it a different way just for fun.

Would a hider die if they hide behind a miller? A death-miller?

Fate · Post Post #1701 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:48 pm

Why do people make it their life goal to fight their fate?

GreyICE · Post Post #1702 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:38 pm

Okay, quick question.

We're POSITIVE this isn't town on town?

I'm asking both people participating.

Because there is an AWFUL lot of no shits given from the rest of the town.

GreyICE · Post Post #1703 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:43 pm

Then again, there's been no hammer, so I guess that's pretty much right out.

Seriously, kdub, Rhinox, what's the story?

Lady Lambdadelta · Post Post #1704 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:58 pm

I don't think AGM is town. Not for one second.

Rhinox · Post Post #1705 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:02 am

@GI:

I was leaning towards voting LLD but now I'm not so sure. I'm definitely not rushing it.

#2 - When did you ask Fate via PM if you died if you hid behind a miller?

#4 - What I was saying was, I don't think we would have been able to deduce who you hid behind based on your posts from D1. So it wouldn't have been a 1 for 1 because you'd have been dead with no way for us to be able to figure out why. Try again?

GreyICE · Post Post #1706 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:14 am

Rhinox wrote:you sure telegraphing your investigate is such a great idea greyICE?

Dude, this is like from day 1.

I'm gonna beat you with a hammer.

GreyICE · Post Post #1707 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:15 am

Rhinox wrote:you sure telegraphing your investigate is such a great idea greyICE?

GreyICE · Post Post #1708 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:19 am

I MEAN COULD YOU CLAIM SCUM IN THE THREAD ANY HARDER

DEAR LORD

YOU NEVER EVEN CHECKED YOU'RE JUST THROWING SUSPICION ON ME

HOLY FUCK

GreyICE · Post Post #1709 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:22 am

Rhinox wrote:#4 - What I was saying was,
I don't think we would have been able to deduce who you hid behind based on your posts from D1.
So it wouldn't have been a 1 for 1 because you'd have been dead with no way for us to be able to figure out why. Try again?

Rhinox wrote:
you sure telegraphing your investigate is such a great idea greyICE?

ONE POST

YOU MANAGED TO EVAPORATE A TOWN READ IN ONE POST

AND IT WAS A PRETTY STRONG ONE

AND YOU TURNED IT INTO A SCUMREAD

DO YOU REALIZE HOW IMPRESSIVE THAT IS? QQ IN THE QUICKTOPIC AS YOU DIE

NO WONDER I'VE BEEN KEPT ALIVE FOR DAYS.

GreyICE · Post Post #1710 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:32 am

IT'S ONE THING TO TUNNEL ME FOR FIVE DAYS STRAIGHT
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING EXCEPT TUNNEL ME TO THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE BLATANTLY CONTRADICTING YOURSELF
PLEASE DIE IN A FIRE IF YOU A TOWN
IF YOU'RE SCUM GO DO SO ANYWAY

Rhinox · Post Post #1711 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:40 am

Well that convinced me.

vote: AGM

GI tomorrow.

Rhinox · Post Post #1712 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:43 am

Not only did you not answer my question and go on to RAGE ATTACK MODE to deflect from what must obviously be a good point,

BUT

HOLY FUCK MY "DON'T TELEGRAPH YOUR

INVESTIGATE

WAS WHEN WE ALL THOUGHT YOU WERE A FUCKING COP NOT A GODDAMN HIDER

you just fucked up GI.

GreyICE · Post Post #1713 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:54 am

Rhinox wrote:Not only did you not answer my question and go on to RAGE ATTACK MODE to deflect from what must obviously be a good point,

BUT

HOLY FUCK MY "DON'T TELEGRAPH YOUR
INVESTIGATE
WAS WHEN WE ALL THOUGHT YOU WERE A FUCKING COP NOT A GODDAMN HIDER

you just fucked up GI.

HAHAHAHAHA

SCUM CLAIM COMPLETE

TOWN WOULD HAVE STOPPED TO THINK WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PROCESS IF A HIDER FLIPS AFTER TELEGRAPHING AN INVESTIGATE.

1) Did scum kill him?

Fuck no. Hiders are bulletproof.

2) Was his investigate target killed?

Fuck no.

3) Oh look. Scum.

You FLAIL.

CAUGHT RHINOX, YOU'RE CAUGHT

Rhinox · Post Post #1714 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:56 am

From D2:

rhinox wrote:
toasty wrote:@Rhinox: If you look at GreyICE's crumbing near the end of D1, it would be reasonable to conclude that he was going to hide behind me (or Vi). The whole "oops" moment that GreyICE seems to be playing is a pain in the ass, but it doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. I think its best to trust UK, who a majority of us had on town lists throughout the game.
You can through jahudo on that list of breadcrumbs too if you want to call them that. That still doesn't change the fact that his scum suspects are not ideal N1 hider suspects, because had he shown up dead this morning, we wouldn't know if it was because he hid behind one of his 3 suspects, the nk (uk in this place), was a nk himself, or he hid behind someone entirely different trying to clear a townie.

I've been pretty consistent with this. I thought about this day 2. You don't refute this until now, when you're trying to say I'm scum?

yeah no.

Rhinox · Post Post #1715 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:57 am

rhinox wrote:#2 - When did you ask Fate via PM if you died if you hid behind a miller?

answer now.

GreyICE · Post Post #1716 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:01 am

There's no WIFOM.
As a 1-shot hider I will ALWAYS aim for scum. Are you seriously this fucking bad as town?

As for the fucking PM - prove you have five brain cells. Go read day 1, then tell me.

Rhinox · Post Post #1717 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:16 am

So day 1 then?

On day 2 we had that discussion about how you knew the red dragon clan was scum. Your response was that your PM said you died if you hid behind the red dragon clan. Jahudo was a miller who did not flip red dragon clan. Thus, from your claims D2, we should deduce that you would not die if you hid behind a miller.

I don't care if you always aim for scum as 1-shot hider - it wasn't clear who you would have been targeting, thus we would have been without that information.

You can adhom me all you want, but if you are town, then you're just as fucking bad as I am and I revert back to my response to you at the beginning of day 3:

Rhinox wrote:go f yourself.

GreyICE · Post Post #1718 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:21 am

Find where on day 1 scum. Go on, do it. Quote it to me.

Rhinox · Post Post #1719 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:34 am

GreyICE wrote:I have a 1-shot investigate, due to contacts through the bar I own. It will find members of the red dragon clan.

Rhinox wrote:
GreyICE wrote:I HAVE CONFIRMATION
THAT RED DRAGON CLAN ARE SCUM FACTION
what is this confirmation and when did you get it?

GreyICE wrote:PEDIT: IT IS IN MY ROLE PM WHEN I FUCKING CLAIMED IT GODDAMN IT. WHAT THE FUCK? I ASKED PAGES AGO IF ANY OTHER TOWN RDC WANTED TO STEP FORWARD. NONE DID.

IT. IS. NOT. A. FLAVOR. INVESTIGATION.

IT INVESTIGATES ALIGNMENT

Pretty clear here...

all of it says that you would not die if you hid behind a miller. A miller is still town aligned.

Rhinox · Post Post #1720 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:38 am

GreyICE wrote:
Rhinox wrote:
greyICE wrote:I understood the mechanic, I thought I had a power and no reward.
ok. I mean, this is pretty much all I needed to hear. I'm failrly certain you're lying scum and UK's role information is unreliable. I'll confirm how I know in a big reveal later. Unless there is a certain assumption I've got wrong, but we can confirm that after my big reveal fairly easily.

In the mean time, tell me a little more about this claimed hider reward - it specifically says if you hide behind scum, you die?
It's a hider mechanic.

If I hide behind Red Dragon clan, they kill me.

Do I have to get a wiki out for you?

Ah this is the one I was looking for. damn 69 page thread to search through.

condescending tone and all.

game over.

GreyICE · Post Post #1721 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:30 am

GreyICE wrote:They're scum. Oh yes.

Vi is scum, vote Vi.

CES made first useful contribution of game by agreeing with me. Should do it more, would make him much less scummy.

Waiting for a PM from Fate.

GreyICE wrote:TOASTY WILL BE INVESTIGATED IF FATE FAILS ME

GreyICE wrote:JAHUDO NICE QUICKHAMMER, SCUM, WE SHALL FIND OUT WHAT YOU ARE HIDING

You can't find ANYTHING in my ISO that hints at my night action plans, Rhinox?

Anything AT ALL?

What the fuck?

Rhinox · Post Post #1722 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:09 am

Rhinox wrote:From D2:

rhinox wrote:
toasty wrote:@Rhinox: If you look at GreyICE's crumbing near the end of D1, it would be reasonable to conclude that he was going to hide behind
me (or Vi)
. The whole "oops" moment that GreyICE seems to be playing is a pain in the ass, but it doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth. I think its best to trust UK, who a majority of us had on town lists throughout the game.
You can
through jahudo on that list of breadcrumbs too
if you want to call them that. That still doesn't change the fact that his scum suspects are not ideal N1 hider suspects, because had he shown up dead this morning, we wouldn't know if it was because he hid behind one of his 3 suspects, the nk (uk in this place), was a nk himself, or he hid behind someone entirely different trying to clear a townie.
I've been pretty consistent with this. I thought about this day 2.
You don't refute this until now, when you're trying to say I'm scum?

yeah no.

^^^ I said that on D2. Obviously I found those 3 breadcrumbs.

So rewind, *boom* your dead D2 and flip 1-shot hider. Which of those 3 were we supposed to think you hid behind and thus is scum?

Oh wait, you hid behind jahudo who was a miller, and the other 2 were town. Ooops there's 3 mislynches.

See my point? On day 2, we'd have had no idea...

I forgot about the whole you waiting for a PM from fate thing. ugh, why couldn't you just give me a straight foreward answer when I asked instead of being a raging dick about it.

Why didn't you say anything about dying if you hid behind a miller before today? Why did you say on D2: "If I hide behind Red Dragon clan, they kill me." if you would have died if you hid behind jahudo who was NOT RDC and not scum?

Back to this:

greyICE ISO #70 wrote:
Rhinox wrote:
greyICE wrote:#2 is actually worse than you think. Hiding behind a Miller would KILL ME. So there was no way a third of the game would have been players who kill me if I hide behind them. I'm surprised there was even one.
2: Why would greyICE flip out and make a comment like this knowing he's a hider and not a cop?
...

Fucking goddamn it. Every way I wrap my head around it, this doesn't even make sense. There is NO reason for a 1-shot investigate to come in a town with a miller. It's like 'haha, your already mediocre power is crappier.

So, you say your reaction in your iso #70 is justified because you die if you hide behind a miller...

but...

GreyICE iso #120 wrote:
UncertainKitten wrote:@GI: Are you claiming that you specifically get alignment through RDC flavor, as in it specifically says such? Or are you conjecturing because "Fate wouldn't put in a useless one shot cop"?
They're scum. Oh yes.

Vi is scum, vote Vi.

CES made first useful contribution of game by agreeing with me. Should do it more, would make him much less scummy.

Waiting for a PM from Fate.

You didn't say you were waiting for a PM from fate until your iso #120.

So back to my original point...

1. you claim 1-shot cop.
2. you think seraph might be a miller
3. you rage at mod about how crappy a 1-shot cop is with a miller (doesn't make sense because you are actually a hider and not a cop, and you didn't PM fate yet to see if you die if you hide behind a miller)
4. Some time later you PM fate about something but never tell us what.

What would you think if you were in my shoes?

GreyICE · Post Post #1723 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:19 am

3 - wait, a 1 shot cop that KILLS you is crappy with a FUCKING MILLER? Yeah, yeah it is, Rhinox. How does that make no sense?
4 - I didn't get an answer until after the thread was locked because Seraphim was hammered at 500 mph.

It was pretty easy to figure out my course of action - Jahudo if millers didn't kill me, toasty if they did. I was GOING to confirm which it was when Fate answered the PM, but hammer came down FAST.

But this is all just crap to try and push a mislynch.

GreyICE · Post Post #1724 (ISO) » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:41 am

And more to the point, Rhino head, what's scummy about any of this?

Your bitching seems to be 'it wasn't obvious enough to catch the breadcrumbs when we were submitting the kill night 1' not that 'GreyICE is likely to do all of that if he was scum just to set up an elaborate fakeclaim that just happened to be confirmed town by UK.'

It's just whining about theory on proper play as a 1-shot hider and shit.