Time Travel Mafia (Game Over)

[Mist7676]

Thank You

[Tasky]

LYNCHCOUNT 1.6

LYNCH (2/8): GhostWriter, imaginality
NO LYNCH (11): MrTrow, Chronopie, RedCoyote, smargaret, Amrun, Tragedy, RangeroftheNorth, Doombunny9, Kcdaspot, GreyICE, Exe

Deadline is 30.04.2011, 19:00 CET.

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(Pseudo-)Votes

Doombunny9 (2): RangeroftheNorth, MrTrow
RangeroftheNorth (1): Exe
Amrun (1): RedCoyote
Kcdaspot (1): Amrun

Not Voting (8): Chronopie, imaginality, smargaret, Tragedy, GhostWriter, Doombunny9, GreyICE, Kcdaspot

[Kcdaspot]

mist is not in this game any more mod...




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Thx.

[Mist7676]

Tasky loves me to much to get rid of me

Last post

[Exe]

You know what.

I have nothing new to contribute. I am still confident that the scum lie in Amrun, Ranger, Chrono, and Kcd, with only one of Kcd and Amrun being scum.

And other than that, I see a whole lot of noise.

[GreyICE]

You know what.

I have nothing new to contribute. I am still confident that the scum lie in Amrun, Ranger, Chrono, and Kcd, with only one of Kcd and Amrun being scum.

And other than that, I see a whole lot of noise.

Executive decision.

I declare kcda/amrun town on town.

Who is #3 now.

[Tragedy]

Based on how I saw the argument, all it was just on a damn joke that Amrun had originally accused Kcdaspot scum of.
But I still see the scum in Kcdaspot other than his joke, which I did not clearly get other than the "rolefishing" accusation from Amrun.

[Kcdaspot]

Grey... why are you so keen to declare us both town?

i played with you before.

why town hunting as opposed to scum hunting?

nice waffle with amrun.

first he's town v towning me then he's 3rd place in the scum list for you and now he's town again...

wat?

[Kcdaspot]

you are more aggro in finding scum than this.

[GhostWriter]

You see what I see. Or rather, you aren't seeing what I'm not seeing.

[Chronopie]

So I'm finally back.

I see I'm getting Flak about declaring

KCDA vs GREYICE

TvT.

It's quite simple. KCDA vs GI was current at the time. The previous conflict had been resolved. Therefore it was not worth commenting on.

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On my list of:

Ranger
Smargret
{Doombunny/EXE}

I was getting a bad feeling about those four. to the point where I wouldn't mind seeing any of those four hang. It's one of those things that's annoying to put into words.

[Exe]

And Chrono still isn't reading. Lulz

[Kcdaspot]

... yeah chrono needs to hang.

i never clashed with greyice.

[Tragedy]

... yeah chrono needs to hang.

i never clashed with greyice.

Let him fully read as he skims anyways.

[Kcdaspot]

...kay

you've played with him i haven't.

[Tragedy]

I did? I don't remember playing with him quite well, actually. xD

[GreyICE]

So I'm finally back.

I see I'm getting Flak about declaring

KCDA vs GREYICE

TvT.

It's quite simple. KCDA vs GI was current at the time. The previous conflict had been resolved. Therefore it was not worth commenting on.

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On my list of:

Ranger
Smargret
{Doombunny/EXE}

I was getting a bad feeling about those four. to the point where I wouldn't mind seeing any of those four hang. It's one of those things that's annoying to put into words.

Okay so you're scum.

Good to hear.

[GreyICE]

Grey... why are you so keen to declare us both town?

i played with you before.

why town hunting as opposed to scum hunting?

nice waffle with amrun.

first he's town v towning me then he's 3rd place in the scum list for you and now he's town again...

wat?

Well you've been town for quite some time.

Amrun is growing on me simply because of the number of scummy people who are happy to see you both dead on the theory that one of you has to be scum, and work is hard, right?

[imaginality]

I'll put up a list in my next post. For now, my concise(ish) initial impressions on you lot:

Amrun

's initial attack on Kcdaspot was a touch wifomy (with the "no doctor would") but absolutely fine, especially at that early stage. However, she seems to be fairly sensitive to how others see her (e.g. 199) and things like the 'I suck as town' in 233 are (as Red Coyote picked up) pretty concerning. The "why rank both Kcdaspot and me high" thing I don't really take as a strong sign they're both scum, since if she's scum and Kcdaspot is town, she'd still have motivation to make that argument, hoping to get people to nominate Kcdaspot alone rather than her and Kcdaspot. If she's town, on the other hand, then that means she has to genuinely not realise it's a poor argument (since, as others have mentioned, losing 1 town for 1 scum is a decent trade). I'm not convinced she was really unaware of the flaw in that argument. And I'm confused by her meta point in 284. If you know Kcdaspot is weak as scum wouldn't that give you more reason to bus him D1 rather than less? Finally the talk of not wanting to sacrifice herself now she's less sure of Kcdaspot being scum seems a bit too self-conscious, in the, "Well, speaking as a townie, because I'm a townie I don't want to be lynched pointlessly, because as I said, I'm a townie," kind of vein.

Chronopie

made a good setup point but in a game where everyone has played theme games before, it can be expected that people are going to be looking out for the best tactics etc, so it's only a mild pro-town tell. I agree that the posts since then have given reason to worry. Can't ride by much longer on having made one good gameplay suggestion. Preview Edit: Oh my. His latest post is a stinker.

To me,

Doombunny9

reads as being genuine, for example in explaining his reasons for trying to initiate a random question stage. I get the sense that he's actively scumhunting. Makes good points in discussions with Amrun and his comments about GreyICE. Enough here for me to feel comfortable he's town.

I like the way

Exe

has been interested in scumhunting and getting the game going. Posts like 142 read very genuinely, and 232 also gave me a good feel.

GhostWriter

made some good early-game points about the Kdcaspot-Amrun spat, and smargaret's lack of questions. I disagree with his read on Doombuddy9, but I like post 309.

GreyICE

seems somewhat enigmatic to me. He overstated the case on RangeroftheNorth but applied good pressure on him and Amrun. The degree to which he's invested in Amrun and Kdcaspot not both being scum is a bit strange, however. Instinctively I feel wary of his motives. Probably ought to meta him to get a better read. Preview edit: Yeah. If GreyICE is scum then at least one of Amrun and Kcdaspot is scum too.

Kcdaspot

has done a couple of scummy things, like his omgussy vote on GhostWriter, and the timing of his coming onto the Chronopie case felt like maybe just hoping to deflect attention away from him and Amrun. Posts like 110 are pretty lame too, and 149 certainly praises Amrun's post more than it deserves.

MrTrow

I've found fairly unimpressive. Giving town points to Chronopie and Red Coyote but not Kcdaspot for strategy discussion seems inconsistent, and his cases, like the suggestion that GreyICE was fishing, seem unconvincing.

RangeroftheNorth

's joke post, in the context of him already having made five posts that day, seems fine to me. Caveat: assuming his claim to have forgotten about the game for the next few days was genuine. I do feel that he is - post 229 also reads honestly to me. At this stage I'd bet that he's town and that some of those with him high on their list of suspects are scum: he seems like a convenient target.

Red Coyote

has made some good comments game structure and strategy-wise (null tell though); more importantly he's come across as very actively scumhunting, but also willing to listen to counter-arguments (e.g. when he backed down from his attack on Kcdaspot). Giving a townread on Doombunny9 also read well to me since I can imagine scum would have been tempted to join that wagon. I disagree with his stance about the 'easy targets' though: at the very least, "look twice at your list of suspects if there's no-one smarter than you on it" is good advice, and if someone is expressing suspicion only of the easiest targets (least capable of defending themselves strongly), it's reasonable to at least keep an eye on that person to make sure they really are trying to actually scumhunt. In the way GreyICE put it, it's not about 'scummy meta'. Overall though, I feel pretty good about Red Coyote.

smargaret

was someone who seemed worse to me on my initial read-through than when I isoed her. She's been consistent about suspecting Amrun - Kcdaspot of being an attempt at distancing. On the other hand, that's been pretty much her sole focus (aside from one post about me and Doombunny9. I think her focus is genuine but she should be careful to keep looking more widely.

Tragedy

has contributed little. I am often unclear why she comments on what she does. Though I do get why she gave a list in 289 of who she thought are the easy targets. Including herself on that list is accurate, but perhaps also a bit self-serving - trying to hint "if people rank me highly, it's just because I'm an easy target". (Pretty speculative sidenote: I'm wondering whether the "Since when did scums get Time Machines?" in 196 is a bit of a scumtell?)

[Tragedy]

^ I never knew scum actually had time machines until someone had mentioned the plan.

[imaginality]

Forgot to add: I agree with Red Coyote that the "Why me?" tone from Kcdaspot is a definite warning flag.

My list:

Scummier

Chronopie
Amrun
Kcdaspot
Tragedy
MrTrow
GreyICE
smargaret
Exe
RangeroftheNorth
Red Coyote
Doombunny9
GhostWriter

Townier

[imaginality]

^ I never knew scum actually had time machines until someone had mentioned the plan.

How do you know they do now?

[Tragedy]

I believe someone has mentioned an idea of "WE SHOULD PUT DEAD MAFIA SCUMS ON TOP OF THE LIST, IN CASE THE OTHER MAFIAS GOES BACK INTO THE PAST AND..." something. I don't remember what exactly remember what's after the 'And', but yeah.

[Amrun]

I like imaginality's replace-in post.

Grey, did you really erase mist or was that a joke?

I will be scarce this weekend. Heads up.

[Doombunny9]

Well it would appear that Chrono knows how to pick popular wagons without picking the too obvious ones (Kcda/Amrun) but can't come up with reasoning for any of them. Good job.

I'm liking Grey's posts less and less especially now since he's making decisions for the entire town that I personally, don't agree with and then assuming that they must be true. At least provide some reasoning if you want people to follow you (I know he did later but he should have done it from the start damnit). Also, as other people have (somewhat) pointed out, he's not actively scumhunting and seems to be more "passive" scumhunting (For lack of a better word). He's not trying to scumhunt and catch scummy things but rather let other people ask questions for him and then make opinions based on them (Without even explaining half the time). Whether its just lazy-town or scum don't know for sure but with each post I'm thinking he's getting scummier and scummier.