American Gods Mafia - Game over

[WrathChild]

Ok, Back from the weekend.

-A: GG has completely switched gears, I had a pretty town read on him up until today and he has seemed to go off the deep end today. I'm not sure what the deal is and I'd actually like him to address this. I mean he was getting a bit aggressive yesterday, but today his aggression has gone beyond reasoning IMHO.

-B: Llama's all-clear list doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He cleared MoI, GG, OGML, SGR and LMP, but we've only had 3 nights. As far as I can tell his role can only clear Ooba and LMP. I see no reason for MoI, GG or OGML to be taken off the list and there are people sheeping that too, primarily the people that are faux-cleared. Something is not right about Llama's claim or I'm being really dense.

-C: I still think MoI is lying scum and I'd much rather lynch OGML over him.

In fact:

VOTE: OGML

Elect: Apok

[A Gaggle of Geese]

the scum are trying to push our lynch today b/c when we flip town they'll be all welp welp welp, and then revert back to their 'early reads' and try and lynch OGML tomorrow. i hope this was discussed in the qt, it's a very transparent plan though.

ebwop: what should I adress? the case on us is fucking retarded, if you can call it that. we've been as transparent as possible and are ridiculously town.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

my agressiveness corrolates to how pissed off I am at the game, i.e i'm extremely annoyed i didn't get my lynch yesterday, so I want it today.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Ok, I’ll now take a break from responding with Gaggle of Scum to discuss issues that we need to consider as Town.

The game began with 18 players. Standard scum total distribution runs from 25% to 33%.

That would lead us to expect either 5 or 6 total scum, in a distribution of Mafia to SK of either 5 to 1 or 4 to 1.

That leaves us with 4 or 3 remaining scum.

At the start of today we have 11 players alive. Worst case we mislynch (you know, if you listen to Gaggle) and lose another Town player Nightkill. We would begin Day 5 with 9 alive. So worst case we are looking at LYLO on Day 5.

So deciding to wait on the last revive until tomorrow should be driven on whether

1. Realistically we think there are 3 or 4 scum remaming (Gaggle, could you clue us in? That’s be great!)
2. How strongly we feel about today’s lynch.

I’m leaning towards 4 scum based on a number of factors. Thus I want a scum flip today.

@Anyone voting KK over Gaggle or OGML

– Can you provide a summary of why you think he is scum over those two. The above mentioned scum don’t need to answer as I know their reasoning.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

game started w/ 4 scum and an sk. ran the numbers backstage, 5 scum and 1 sk can leave town fucking raped too early to be doable I think.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

magna's 1628 is noted, btw. i note things in a little red notebook for those curious. has a picture of a panda on the front. pretty cute.

[farside22]

@farside - Are you claiming that Llama claimed to be getting results from someone else backstage?

No. He stated he didn't know who. He also stated he wanted to fake claim results because for some reason that makes no sense he thought it was a possible scum role even though he had been protecting the person for 3 days.
IE: I think he is lying his ass off.

Honestly this cop discussion should stop right now .. Because Saint "claimed" some anti-roleblocking abilities so I anticipate a Mafia RB - so even with a watcher, the investigative role is next to dead if they claim ..

I am reading D2 now since I couldn't finish it yesterday .. Will give me thoughts after that ..

We should revive Vezo ..

Ooba see above. I understand your point but that means the watch. Also if you read all of Saint's rants he was pretty much saying anything he could to try and save himself.

[WrathChild]

Wait, so Llama is just getting results from a Random source? Are these games allowed to be bastard enough that scum could be feeding him fake results?

[Faraday]

he's either faking and is gonna get one of his buddies to cover for him or he's legit. i don't see scum sending results as viable.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

he's either faking and is gonna get one of his buddies to cover for him or he's legit. i don't see scum sending results as viable.

blah blah blah.

[ooba]

@farside - Are you claiming that Llama claimed to be getting results from someone else backstage?

No. He stated he didn't know who. He also stated he wanted to fake claim results because for some reason that makes no sense he thought it was a possible scum role even though he had been protecting the person for 3 days.
IE: I think he is lying his ass off.

Honestly this cop discussion should stop right now .. Because Saint "claimed" some anti-roleblocking abilities so I anticipate a Mafia RB - so even with a watcher, the investigative role is next to dead if they claim ..

I am reading D2 now since I couldn't finish it yesterday .. Will give me thoughts after that ..

We should revive Vezo ..

Ooba see above.

I understand your point but that means the watch.

Also if you read all of Saint's rants he was pretty much saying anything he could to try and save himself.

I think LF is town .. The "only" thing which made me reconsider for a second is that the mod never said there were no cults but I'd rather believe a simple Town-Mafia-SK setup than imagine conspiracy theories ..

I don't understand "the watch" part of it - Cop claims, mafia blocks watcher and kill cop ..

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MagnaofIllusion

- All but confirmed voting/sacrificing today

I'm trying to narrow it the other choice from these:
farside22
Kublai Khan
Locke Lamora
WrathChild

[WrathChild]

I would happily get on board with an MoI lynch. The only reason I went OGML over him at this point is that I think there is a chance to confirm MoI as an even night commuter.

[A Gaggle of Geese]

unless we're massclaiming we should keep the cop discussion for tomorrows. if it's a scum gambit it's been planned already.

[farside22]

Ooba there was still one less kill done on I think N2. The one where Fate died. That either means the mafia attempted to kill SK (Usually SK's are NK immune) or a doctor in the game. I also find a watch/track and now an amnesic cop near impossible to believe
Why am I on your scum list, Hell why is WC on your scum list after day 1 ythill interactions?

[ooba]

Why am I on your scum list, Hell why is WC on your scum list after day 1 ythill interactions?

I'm narrowing it down .. Magna is confirmed scum after D2 re-read .. The other people not mentioned are town reads ..

[MagnaofIllusion]

I'm narrowing it down .. Magna is confirmed scum after D2 re-read .. The other people not mentioned are town reads ..

When you’ve decided to read the whole game let me know. I’ve already dealt with this crap yesterday.

[ooba]

I'm narrowing it down .. Magna is confirmed scum after D2 re-read .. The other people not mentioned are town reads ..

When you’ve decided to read the whole game let me know. I’ve already dealt with this crap yesterday.

I've already read the entire game once .. And I know you're scum ..

Town: We need to decide on sacrifice/revive before lynching so no more votes on KK so that MoI scum can quick hammer

Sacrfice: MoI

Also on revival, I think reviving the informational role is the way to go .. (While I appreciate Fate's skills over Vezos in scumhunting, I'd take mod confirmed tracker results when we can get em)

Revive: Vezo

I'll let you know my choices on the lynch - still re-reading bits ..
farside22 - Kublai Khan (Not Mafia together)
Locke Lamora
WrathChild

[MagnaofIllusion]

I've already read the entire game once .. And I know you're scum ..

Funny you know something that isn't true.

[Locke Lamora]

Apologies, completely forgot to declare V/LA for the weekend. Will be catching up asap.

[ooba]

GG, I think you're wrong about KK .. Do not think he's scum ..

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Locke has given me very little info on D2/D3 to go with .. Right now I'd put my money on WC being scum ..

WC because
- First person to pressurize Saint. I believe Mafia either tried killing Saint or roleblocked Saint; so Mafia must have suspected SK

- Statements like this:

-C: I still think MoI is lying scum and I'd much rather lynch OGML over him.

It's always "I'd like to lynch MoI but cannot because ...."; just ISO WC - over defensive for switching or not voting Magna ..

Re-reading D1 for more inputs on Ythill interactions with {farside/WC/Locke} ..

[ooba]

Apokalyptika (7) – A Gaggle of Geese, ooba, MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls, OhGodMyLife, Kublai Khan, Llamafluff
Ooba (4) – LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, farside22, Llamafluff
MagnaofIllusion (2) – MagnaofIllusion, Apokalyptika
WrathChild (2) – A Gaggle of Geese, farside22
A Gaggle of Geese (1) – A Gaggle of Geese
Locke Lamora (1) – OhGodMyLife
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife
Farside22 (1) – farside22
LynchMePls (1) – Llamafluff

Since both me & Apok are making it to the BS anyway - let's push my list of suspicious players down this list ..

Unelect: Apok
elect: GG
elect: OGML
elect: LMP

[OhGodMyLife]

I think locke is town, but otherwise really like ooba's reads.

Revive: Vezo

[OhGodMyLife]

Unelect: Locke, Elect: Ooba

[LlamaFluff]

@Farside - I didnt do a gambit because as everyone said backstage, it really wont help much.

Anyways, since farside decided to claim for me here. Im not the one actually doing the investigating here, I just have been getting a message at the start of each day saying that someone was 'not mafia'. I have zero idea who is sending it, or really what alignment they are. I just think that they are going to be amnesic given that it fits the theme of weaker roles (no full cop, full protector).

Its why I havent been fullclaiming, I was trying to draw a kill or even a roleblocker if there is one.

Will bring up more after classes.

[LimMePls]

On phone in airport. Will post tomorrow.