Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Then why are you voting for Meransiel?

[Meransiel]

This is perfectly legit and logical.

You people should lynch me. If I am town, lynch Bella. If I am scum, lynch iam. It's this simple.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You have no clue what you're talking about.

[Amrun]

Because I didn't want to hammer iam before everyone weighed in on this.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Meransiel unvoted => you can vote for iam.

[MrBuddyLee]

Is iamausername scum? I know you had a problem with the predecessor (nopointinactingup).

I know you guys like short answers with no fluff, so I'll say "probably not".

1) The nopoint wagon came together somewhat easily.
2) If nopoint is scum, coming after me like he did was suicide.
3) I like iam's scumlist and reasoning.
4) Minimal attempts to ask iam meaningful questions are lazy town/possible lazy scum.
5) Two or three of the players I've found troublesome are on the wagon.
6) Bella's and Amrun's overeagerness to hammer despite suspecting/not suspecting nopoint.
7) Scum would have been energized by the mozamis lynch, not demotivated.

I can definitely see where you're going with a nopoint case. He's been avoiding answering questions, using inaccurate evidence repeatedly to back up his case despite it being pointed out, he's really inflexible and focused too harshly on certain players. and he seems to have been substituting vehemence for a quality case.

(sounds a little like scum calling a townie scummy)

makes me lean town on nopoint at the moment.

(and yet didn't grill her top suspect hard to make him an alternative)

I've had time to step back from any possible OMGUS of nopoint for his ridiculous attacks on me.

[Amrun]

Overeager to hammer? Excuse me?

[Meransiel]

And scots is probably the most "eager to hammer", feels like you left him out on purpose.

[implosion]

Deadline is

tomorrow

. iamausername needs to claim.

@MBL:

2) isn't necessarily true. A fair number of people were going after you, and him joining that crowd (I don't think he was the first) wouldn't be all that risky. The hardcore tunneling was a bit strange, but it in itself frankly looks like something he would have done as either alignment (meta) because it looks like it's just a play style thing. However, his refusal to answer questions; his refusal to rectify contradictions; and most of all probably, his failure to provide adequate reasoning or evidence in his tunneling on MBL/etc; these are what make me suspect the slot.

The others, frankly, I don't see as that meaningful even if true. 1) doesn't necessarily mean anything. Fast wagons can form on either alignment. 3) means something, but not really much - scum can fake scumhunting, and even if the list does read as town, nopoint's actions were still too scummy IMO. 4), again, means nothing about iam's alignment - especially considering that you say it could be lazy town. 5) is speculating about one living player's alignment based on another living player's (or multiple living players') alignment(s). 6) doesn't necessarily mean much - we've been telling iam, at L-1, to claim for a while, and deadline is almost here. Besides, saying they're overeager to hammer would be a statement about their alignments, not about iam's. 7) doesn't give any indication of iam's alignment.

If iam flips scum, we definitely need to pay close attention to MBL and Meransiel. If he is scum, both of them are likely scum trying to deflect the lynch. Maybe not both, but probably at least one.

Also, @Meransiel: what the hell... unconfirmed alignment ≠ one scum. CES's 671 pretty much explained it.

iamausername

needs to claim

. Like, now. If he does not claim by the end of the day, someone needs to hammer him.

@Mod: is deadline tomorrow at the same time that you posted "DAY 1 IS GO?"

[Apokalyptika]

...I don't know what on Earth Meran's doing, but we shouldn't get distracted from username.

[scotmany12]

Oh, and the mafia helping to find PR thing? That is exactly what you're doing by forcing iam to claim.

Says the person who just outed two powerroles. Both of who were under little to no pressure. And we keep telling you its common policy for someone to claim when they are at lynch -1. If they claim powerrole, we decide if we believe it or not. It's far better than lynching them when they refuse to claim, and end up lynching a pr. If you aren't going to listen to a bunch of players that are more experienced than you, then I don't know what to say to you anymore.

And MBL: Iamusername has wasted so much of our time. He was at l-1 On monday. It is now about two days to the deadline. That is not protown at all. Refusing to claim like he did is a scum move.

After a reread of apokalyptica, im leaning towards town. His contributions have actually been pretty decent. His whole thing regarding mer/iam is pretty good. And I never bought the case on ogml.

[Bella]

VOTE: iamausername

[Meransiel]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 64&start=0

Whatever.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That entire post is based on the notion that L-1 is not a big deal, which is true but not relevant. Iam is the consensus lynch. We're just giving him a chance to claim.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

+ deadline

[Amrun]

What exact time is deadline?

[Shanba]

wickedestjr replaces darkstrike_11 (who replaced blenblen)! Please welcome him to the game.

Deadline is at the exact time that my post announcing day start - that is, 4:44am my time, or 10:44pm EST (I think).

Doing activity check etc

[Shanba]

Vote Count:
5: iamausername

(Cogito Ergo Sum, implosion, scotmany12, Apokalyptica, Bella)

3: Apokalyptica

(MrBuddyLee, iamausername, kunkstar7)

1: MrBuddyLee

(petroleumjelly)

1: Meransiel

(Amrun)
Not Voting:

Darkstrike_11, Meransiel

iamausername and petroleumjelly are in violation of activity guidelines and are being prodded

[Wickedestjr]

Hello everyone.

I'm catching up now, but I probably won't be able to post any content before the day ends.

[Bella]

Also: Meransiel is an idiot. Thanks for claiming for me on day one. Neighbour doesn't mean one must be scum. Shanba is too smart for that. The lack of confirmation significantly weakens the power of the role, which helps with the balance. Bleh.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm at page 5 at the moment. I think Meransiel and petroleumjelly are both town, but I'm not impressed by scotmany12 or Amrun.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

We may need you to hammer, wicked, just fyi.

[MrBuddyLee]

Thank you, Shanba, for your patience and diligence finding replacements. It's obvious you're rooting for town. Good man.

I want to see a detailed analysis of nopoint/iam from whomever hammers. Amrun, you recently had a town read on iam. If you are strongly considering hammering, I want to see your full case before the flip.

[Wickedestjr]

We've got 9 and a half hours left (give or take a few minutes). iamausername is at L-2. I

should

be around the next three/four hours if I need to vote for iamausername. Although if I hammer, don't expect a detailed analysis explaining why.

[Wickedestjr]

Oops. Make that 7 and a half hours.