Mini 1153 - Fringe Season 3 Mafia - Game over

[camn]

What Shakesperan message would you (camn) have posted (more curiosity then anything else)

We can chat about that in mafia-discussion some time.
But it is moot considering is was not, IN PRACTICE, your only post. This forgives your lack of initial content!


RE: Empking: since he is obv not really paying attention to this game, I propose we lynch him.
Any takers? He is totally scum!
He persists in his crap-case despite the fact that it has been totally proven false.

Does anyone agree with Empking that I was, like, pushing silver's lynch once Empking and the others all piled on at the top of page 2? (I think that is what he is accusing me of?)

RE: Ghost.. I would probably go for his lynch at deadline.. but I honestly am getting a confused rather than scummy vibe.

@ Bump: what is the scum-motivation behind raivann's claim?

[Zang]

Votecount-

Seraphim - 1 - (Raivann) (L-6)
Nocmen - 1 - (Populartajo) (L-6)
Empking - 2 - (Nocmen, camn) (L-5)
Raivann - 4 - (Seraphim, Ghostlin,  HellloooNewman, Empking) (L-3)
HellloooNewman - 1 - (MrBump) (L-6)

Not Voting: evilpacman18, Olinea, Silverbullet999, ThAdmiral

7 needed to lynch

Deadline is April 29 at 8:15 pm EST

[Ghostlin]

Seraphim, why did you vote Raviann?

[Ghostlin]

EBWOP: Because you don't really mention it in your post. I can believe it's because of the the terribad-ness of claiming what he claimed; but you acutally don't say that, which makes me wonder, particularly since you went to such lengths on insisting Camn was town in the next post.

[Empking]

What Shakesperan message would you (camn) have posted (more curiosity then anything else)

We can chat about that in mafia-discussion some time.
But it is moot considering is was not, IN PRACTICE, your only post. This forgives your lack of initial content!


RE: Empking: since he is obv not really paying attention to this game, I propose we lynch him.
Any takers? He is totally scum!
He persists in his crap-case despite the fact that it has been totally proven false.

Does anyone agree with Empking that I was, like, pushing silver's lynch once Empking and the others all piled on at the top of page 2? (I think that is what he is accusing me of?)

Are you denying being on it and staying on it? Its in black and white.

[Nocmen]

Seraphim, why did you vote Raviann?

This, I'm not liking seraphim's participation on the wagons

[populartajo]

seriously why is nocmen still alive?

@camn, emp is meh, questioning is required.

@Emp: what is your case against camn? in one paragraph.
bonus question : do you believe in meta?

@everyone, pick one:

Butterscotch pudding
Root Beer Float
Blue Cotton Candy
Onion Soup
Coffee Yogurt
Frankenberry
Devil Dogs
Blueberry Pancakes
Ginger Ale
Cheesesteak
Flan
Strawberry Milkshakes

[HellloooNewman]

I've got some helpful intel on the mechanics of the game (as a result of my role). As you never know if you will get NK'd, I thought it would be valuable to let the town know what I do.

There are 8 townies, 3 mafia and 2 third party.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this post, but I don't really care. I'm helping with what I can.


Also, to answer the above, cheesesteaks. I am from Philly after all.

[populartajo]

Compilation of Nocmen's questions not designed to scumhunt, only designed to bring suspicion.

Seraphim: Why jump with a vote on the wagon so quickly? I understand a few votes, but L-2 ?

bonus: voting to L-2 is not scummy.

Emp, why would you think that's a hammer? Do you have knowledge of vote changing roles?

bonus: rolefishin.

Why are you concerned with an L-3 hammer

so Nocmen attacks Emp for being concerned with a L-3 but why? if nocmen himself was also concerned with Seraphim for voting to L-2?

Seraphim, why did you vote Raviann?

This, I'm not liking seraphim's participation on the wagons

wat? wat dont you like on seraph's participations?

[Nocmen]

That's 13 people, Newmann.

And tajo, don't you think it's weird that seraphim's 3 votes are all wagon votes? You know, where 2 out of the three were pretty much following onto the wagon that was forming up? The other is the vote on newmann, in this post:

Okay, now that role makes more sense. Evilpacman, the reason everyone was voting him was that he claimed a role that was only able to make one post all game with no obvious benefits, no votes. The move was either a gutsy scum gambit or from town, and if that role was town, it was a waste of space. The first and supposedly only post contained nothing useful which seemed like a waste of the one post.

Unvote

I think I know which character(s) you are. Can you please explain silverbullet's post restriction in more detail? Why did you use up his supposed one post so readily?

Vote: HellooooNewman

Jester speculation is lol. terrible vibes from that post.

Question everyone needs to answer: how much previous flavor knowledge do you have?

I'd associate asking about flavor knowledge as trying to figure about what he could get away with as part of role claims. Who would be most likely to need info before a claim? Scum. Fake claims.

Seraphim and Emp are scum.

[populartajo]

And tajo, don't you think it's weird that seraphim's 3 votes are all wagon votes?

why is this scummy?

[populartajo]

please answer this

Compilation of Nocmen's questions not designed to scumhunt, only designed to bring suspicion.

Seraphim: Why jump with a vote on the wagon so quickly? I understand a few votes, but L-2 ?

bonus: voting to L-2 is not scummy.

Emp, why would you think that's a hammer? Do you have knowledge of vote changing roles?

bonus: rolefishin.

Why are you concerned with an L-3 hammer

so Nocmen attacks Emp for being concerned with a L-3 but why? if nocmen himself was also concerned with Seraphim for voting to L-2?

[Nocmen]

And what do you want me to reply to? The fact that we both had concerns over a quick lynch? Have you seen anything productive from emp?

[Olinea]

I may be due for a prod soon so I'm gonna let you all know that I'm re-reading at the moment, will have thoughts up in a few minutes.

[populartajo]

not being productive is a nulltell from emp.

if you think having concerns for a quicklynch is the town thing to do, then why did you ask Emp : "why are you concerned with a L.3 hammer?"

[Seraphim]

root beer floats

I am voting Raivann for a couple of reasons. First of all, he is not scumhunting. Second, he has a great excuse not to; his incapability to not be on any lynching wagons, making his vote useless.

If we hit LYLO that ISN'T 3-PERSON, he is downright toxic and loses the game for us. If we are at 3-2 LYLO and Raivann is still alive, town loses. Scum doesn't need to bus, scum doesn't need to do anything, because even if we lynch scum, Raivann has to be on that lynching wagon and he dies. Whoops. 3-1 becomes 2-1, which becomes 1-1 and scum wins yaaaay. Same deal with 4-3 LYLO.

Actually, I have a better idea. We could also, perceivably, rather than lynch him, force his claim to the test. If we lynch another player we find scummy, we could force Raivann to hammer, killing two birds with one stone. If he doesn't die, we lynch him the next day, as we've caught scum.

Raivann dies today or tomorrow, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

I'd associate asking about flavor knowledge as trying to figure about what he could get away with as part of role claims. Who would be most likely to need info before a claim? Scum. Fake claims.

Or maybe I want to gauge everyone's familiarity with the flavor and the source material in order to figure out who's fakeclaiming or not? Do you have any correlation between people asking for flavor knowledge and alignment? Because otherwise you're talking out of your ass.

don't you think it's weird that seraphim's 3 votes are all wagon votes?

You know,

where 2 out of the three

were pretty much following onto the wagon that was forming up?

...how are ALL my votes wagon votes when one of them STARTED a fucking wagon? The bolded statements are contradictory. I smell bullshit wafting through the air. All of my votes have had good reasoning behind them. I don't care if there's a wagon there or not.

[Seraphim]

root beer floats

I am voting Raivann for a couple of reasons. First of all, he is not scumhunting. Second, he has a great excuse not to; his incapability to not be on any lynching wagons, making his vote useless.

If we hit LYLO that ISN'T 3-PERSON, he is downright toxic and loses the game for us. If we are at 3-2 LYLO and Raivann is still alive, town loses. Scum doesn't need to bus, scum doesn't need to do anything, because even if we lynch scum, Raivann has to be on that lynching wagon and he dies. Whoops. 3-1 becomes 2-1, which becomes 1-1 and scum wins yaaaay. Same deal with 4-3 LYLO.

Actually, I have a better idea. We could also, perceivably, rather than lynch him, force his claim to the test. If we lynch another player we find scummy, we could force Raivann to hammer, killing two birds with one stone. If he doesn't die, we lynch him the next day, as we've caught scum.

Raivann dies today or tomorrow, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.

I'd associate asking about flavor knowledge as trying to figure about what he could get away with as part of role claims. Who would be most likely to need info before a claim? Scum. Fake claims.

Or maybe I want to gauge everyone's familiarity with the flavor and the source material in order to figure out who's fakeclaiming or not? Do you have any correlation between people asking for flavor knowledge and alignment? Because otherwise you're talking out of your ass.

don't you think it's weird that seraphim's 3 votes are all wagon votes?

You know,

where 2 out of the three

were pretty much following onto the wagon that was forming up?

...how are ALL my votes wagon votes when one of them STARTED a fucking wagon? The bolded statements are contradictory. I smell bullshit wafting through the air. All of my votes have had good reasoning behind them, I don't care if there's a wagon there or not. Also, how is wagon-hopping scummy anyway?

[Seraphim]

MOD: DELETE THIS POST AND THE DUPLICATE ABOVE IT

[Seraphim]

Actually wait they are not duplicates.

MOD: DELETE THIS POST AND THE ONE ABOVE IT

[populartajo]

My role is not useless(I hope). I am 'The Observer". I might see some shit go down tonight. You guys should let me live at least till D2 when I come in with my report.

As far as scumhunting goes, Scum= ThAdmiral, Ghostlin, and Empking.

I dont see raivannscum locking himself on a role that a)its likely to give results or b)is easy to test.

Raivann is town.

Useless but town.

[HellloooNewman]

Yes Noc that is 13, just like the number of players in the game.

[Seraphim]

Scum aren't going to kill him, I can almost guarantee that, it's practically auto-victory in LYLO for scum.

Even if he is town, can we afford to keep him alive?

[populartajo]

i think its definitely better to lynch scum right?

[Seraphim]

Hence my previously postlated idea. Also I find it hghly probable that he's third party given his role and restriction.

[Olinea]

Silver's post restriction sure is scummy.

Vote:Seraphim

Let’s see, a jab at camn. Okay. Post underneath it is what I’m looking at.

Silver's post restriction sure is scummy.

Vote:Seraphim

I most certainly did not say it was. Where in the world would you get that approximation?

This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Seraphim’s response seems… paranoid to me. Raivann’s post didn’t even address Seraphim’s thoughts on the silverbullet wagon (presumably the vote was serious, I suppose, since Raivann seemed to acknowledge that things were happening when he went against camn’s threat) and Seraphim gives a more-exasperated-than-necessary response. He’s also not questioning the vote despite this being the first non-silverbullet vote in the game… without a case presented by Raivann it seems Seraphim is

aware

of what a case on him would be (because he didn’t ask why the vote was put down) so I don’t know if Seraphim was consciously being scummy or what. Do not like.

Pacman comes in and clears all of this up… okay.

One last thought. Jester?

Maybe it’s just me, but Jester speculation goes down with experience. I’m sure if I played anything but Newbies in my early days, I’d have thought Jesters were pretty common too. Seraphim thinks otherwise.

Vote: HellooooNewman

Jester speculation is lol. terrible vibes from that post.

Wha-

You’re voting Newman on “vibes”? I can understand how Jester speculation is a bit scummy but IMO it’s a newbtell more. I’m not going to call a difference on that matter a scumtell but these “vibes” and the reasons he doesn’t like the Jester speculation aren’t really explained.

Jester speculation is always a great way for scum to casually exit a wagon that might be going south.

Oh, hmm. Never mind.

And sorry for trying to figure out what Silver was doing. I suppose I should just keep my mouth shut and blindly follow someone elses lead.

*rolls eyes*

rrrrrrrgh AtE

Thanks for confirming your scumminess. I'm sure the rest of the town appreciates it.

For the record, I hate these kinds of posts – “you’re scum” and “I’m Town”. Not a scumtell but it’s probably my biggest Mafia pet peeve. It does nothing to sway me and I doubt it sways others. Only people who need to reaffirm that they’re Town are people who aren’t confident in their towniness.

Some questions:
1) Mass nameclaim, anyone? Wanna lock down scum fakeclaims early on?
2) Empking - are you post restricted as well?

1) I’m fine with this (might be a bit late)… not that I can divine anything from it anyways >_>
2) I think that’s normal Empking

2. Lol, probably not he just posts that way.

Heh.

I'm forced to agree that camn's actions are looking quite significantly off.

Hoo boy.

Let’s see if he expands on this.

I can't be on a lynching wagon.

So...bascially Raivan, you're saying that you're not going to vote until Lylo?

That sounds to me like you are giving yourself a nice excuse to NOT hunt/vote scum.

The fuck? Did you two misunderstand the statement or misrep it? I’d like to say a bit of both. If he’s on the wagon at the time of the lynch, he dies. I thought it seemed pretty open-and-shut (inb4 I’m completely wrong). I don’t see any possible reason how somebody could interpret that as “I cannot scumhunt or shit happens”. Yeah, that was a misrep from the both of you.

Seraphim, why did you vote Raviann?

This, I'm not liking seraphim's participation on the wagons

You were on Newman and Empking, too. Let’s check YOUR participation on these wagons.

Vote: HelloNewman

(absolutely no more comment on the Newman wagon)

I'm not too much a fan of Emp's play right now, with his vote and fos it seems a bit too cautious for what i mentioned previously.
Emp points out he's a hypocrit for staying on the wagon, but at the same time he gets another quick wagon to L-2.

Vote: empking

Empking is a bit better but no way are you going to claim Seraphim’s the only one wagoning just for the sake of wagoning. Also, you’re going to say Empking’s scummy for being cautious with an FoS but scummy for voting on the wagon?

What are you talking about?

not being productive is a nulltell from emp.

Not being productive is not really a tell, no. But it

is

scummy no matter who it is, and I don’t know why you’re deciding to give Empking a free pass on this one because of some convoluted meta argument.

(look at me, arguing about productivity)

don't you think it's weird that seraphim's 3 votes are all wagon votes?

You know,

where 2 out of the three

were pretty much following onto the wagon that was forming up?

...how are ALL my votes wagon votes when one of them STARTED a fucking wagon? The bolded statements are contradictory. I smell bullshit wafting through the air. All of my votes have had good reasoning behind them, I don't care if there's a wagon there or not. Also, how is wagon-hopping scummy anyway?

Null on this. Nocmen’s providing conflicting statements here but I didn’t see “good reasoning” behind the Raivann vote until a while after the vote was dropped.

Re: Raivann’s role. He says he’s getting information overnight, no? While his claim makes wagon analysis kind of a bitch, the information he gets overnight can be used to test the validity of his fullclaim. If he’s got extremely vague information which isn’t worth a cent, we have him hammer our D2 lynch. If he’s got information that makes him dangerous to scum, then scum resolve the problem themselves. However, Nocmen and HellloooNewman’s statements that Raivann is unable to scumhunt are kinda loads of bull since there’s absolutely no clause in what he’s said so far that says he can’t scumhunt. I’m not pleased with his current performance but I don’t think this is an issue to be resolved today.

Vote: Nocmen