Mini 1141 - Frogs Mafia 2 - GAME, SET, MATCH

[scotmany12]

The nopoint stuff went past my head, so I should probably devote some reading time into him to see people are willing to vote him (but noticing the likeliness of another slot replacement, I'm holding back.)

This confuses me. You're holding back on rereading nopoint because he got replaced? That doesn't make much sense to me. Everything that he did still happened, and everyone's accusations of him still occurred as well. Why would the fact that he got replaced keep you from rereading?

[scotmany12]

Also, Apokalyptika. You aren't voting in the current votecount. I looked back and saw that you actually did vote, but Shanba must have missed it.

[petroleumjelly]

Back and reading. Would just like to remind players that it is

6 to lynch

because of my role (and not 7 to lynch, as one might assume). I do not want to have to deal with "I didn't know I was hammering!" in this game.

Isn't it still 7 to lynch, with 12 players alive? Are you forgetting that mini games start with 13 players these days?

As I said when I killed mozamis,

my role

makes the number to lynch drop by one when I DayVig somebody, just like my role resets the vote count.

On another note, I obviously did not complete my reread I tried to start last night. I will see if I can finish that by tonight.

[Bella]

Just letting you know I'm still catching up, but I hope to post something tomorrow and will definitely contribute by Monday at the earliest.

[kunkstar7]

The nopoint stuff went past my head, so I should probably devote some reading time into him to see people are willing to vote him (but noticing the likeliness of another slot replacement, I'm holding back.)

This confuses me. You're holding back on rereading nopoint because he got replaced? That doesn't make much sense to me. Everything that he did still happened, and everyone's accusations of him still occurred as well. Why would the fact that he got replaced keep you from rereading?

A replacement usually provides a different perspective of the slot (but as you correctly point out this doesn't excuse the actions of the original player). Rather than reading nopoint then reading his replacement then nopoint again to compare, I prefered to wait until the replacement shows up so the slot can be read in its entirety, and possibly reveal something that wouldn't be seen just from nopoint himself. Considering that I wasn't getting the nopoint deal to begin with, it would be unlikely that I would get a read from the slot from reading nopoint singularly.

What I see from nopoint: crazy tunneling on MBL, trying to get anything and everything to prove that MBL is scum. This reads to me like someone who is confident in their read to an extreme, quite brazen and I don't recall him rebuting or attempting to dissuade votes on him. The latter is something that appears townish to me, but the inconisistencies and falsehoods in the attack on MBL tarnish that.


With that said, lets start with the reasons given by the people voting nopoint:

CES:
Doesn't provide a reasoning in his vote post, but further perusing his post history reveals this snippet.

There's an insistence and certainty to his play that I don't think matches up with lazy town.

Implosion:
Piggybacks off of MBL's case on nopoint. (Mental note: review this case.)

scotmany12:

The guy is scum. He continually ignores my request for him to point out where MBL lied. He has tunneled worst than me. He has focused his attack on MBL on flat out false information. I see no concern for the town from him. Absolutely none at all. If anyone wishes, I can give a more thought out case on him when I'm sober.

Meriansel:
Seems like another piggyback off of MBL, but this is a poor quote from Meriansel.

Anyway, since I don't think of MBL as scum (mainly because I'm not seeing the inconsistencies and fluff other people are seeing in his posts, for some reason), and I don't consider myself capable on generating a (successful) wagon on my own, and those 2 seem to be the most popular choices right now, I will do this:

Vote: nopointinactingup

CES's reasoning coincides with my view on nopoint, it doesn't show lazytown at all, considering the extent to which nopoint tunneled on MBL.

Meriansel's vote is major scumpoints on Meriansel, essentially blatantly joining the popular wagon cause he can.

Ultimately my read on nopoint singularly is slightly scum due to the level of inconsistency in attacks on MBL.
Throw iamausername's recent debut in the game along with the level of tunneling and his disregard for personal survival from nopoint, and it swings over to slight town.

Reads atm:

Town

PJ
MrBuddyLee
nopoint

[neutral: no specific order]

Bella
scotmany12
Darkstrike_11
implosion
CES

[/neutral]

Meriansel
OGML/Apok
Amrun

Scum

[implosion]

Too tired to read the summaries and actually gain anything useful from them, will do so in the morning. I might also do a general reread or ISOs if I have the time/energy.

[scotmany12]

Wow, game is pretty dead.

Ultimately my read on nopoint singularly is slightly scum due to the level of inconsistency in attacks on MBL.
Throw iamausername's recent debut in the game along with the level of tunneling and his disregard for personal survival from nopoint, and it swings over to slight town.

Could you elaborate on this? I'm not quite following. What did iamausername do to change your read from scum to town? And how is nopoints tunneling a town point?

With deadline looming, those who are not voting should place one very soon. A no lynch would not be productive.

Mod:

Is meransiel getting replaced?

[Amrun]

We need to step it up in this game. I don't reallyy have anything to add that I haven't said, since much of what I recently said hasn't een responded to.

[Apokalyptika]

Ok, I've thought about username some more, and I've got some twitchy feelings about his read on Meran.

You see, I was also in the game with Meran and Nacho, where Meran flipped scum. And when he did flip scum, I actually had the same thought flicker across my mind.

That being said, I find it highly unlikely that someone who was not in the game would look it up, see that Meran flipped scum there, and use the confusion of the two games as an argument that Meran could be scum with town motivation. There wasn't even any argument based on having a fresh example of Meran's scum meta, just the plain fact that he confused the games. Combined with his other scum-twinge on Meran (which I didn't think was particularly scummy), and his overall town-read, I think username's hedging his bets a little too much. That being said, I should definitely have a fresh look at Meran myself, but at the moment, I see no reason to change my vote.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Just letting you know I'm still catching up, but I hope to post something tomorrow and will definitely contribute by Monday at the earliest.

*looks at non-existent watch*

[Shanba]

Vote Count:
5: iamausername

(Cogito Ergo Sum, implosion, scotmany12, Meransiel, Apokalyptica)

1: Apokalyptica

(MrBuddyLee)

1: Cogito Ergo Sum

(Amrun)

1: MrBuddyLee

(petroleumjelly)

1: Amrun

(kunkstar7)

1: Apokalyptica

(iamausername)
Not Voting:

Apokalyptica, Bella, Darkstrike_11

Deadline is Monday March 18 April, btw

Meransiel is being replaced. MBL, pj, iamausername, bella and darkstrike_11 are in violation of activity guidelines and are being prodded

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

P.S. iamausername should claim.

[Amrun]

Shouldn't thhat be 2 for Apok, mod?


I still like my CES vote but will vote for iamusername to achieve a lynch.

[MrBuddyLee]

I still like my CES vote but will vote for iamusername to achieve a lynch.

my relative scumread on you, MBL, makes me lean town on nopoint at the moment

Pay attention to see if you find a link between Truant/Cogito Ergo Sum and Mr. Buddy Lee.

Please clarify.

[implosion]

The inactivity in this game is mind-boggling. 5 prods at once. I feel sorry for Shanba. I really can't say I've been doing well with activity lately, but still.

Read iam's catchup post. Honestly, nothing in it really stood out to me... I disagree with some of his reads (tuncali's slot, for example) but nothing really sticks out in the post as looking particularly townish (or really scummy either) from iamausername. Amrun's defense makes sense, and iam's interpretation of 301 actually does look like mudslinging. Still, the post as a whole doesn't really give me a strong feel for iam's alignment. I still think nopoint/the slot was/is scum, though. Apok's defense is lacking - he responded to one part of the case he quoted, and ignored the rest.

kunkstar's reads are also okay, but again, there are some that I don't see. nopoint town, obviously, I don't agree with. Both him and iam also had Meransiel as scum, which I'm thinking less as time goes on.

Of course, that slot is getting replaced :\.

[Amrun]

MBL, what is there to clarify? I'm still null leaning town on the nopoint slot, but if that's the only wagon with support at deadline, I'd prefer that to no lynch.

No lynch is like a freebie for scum. Why would I ever support no lynch?

[kunkstar7]

Wow, game is pretty dead.

Ultimately my read on nopoint singularly is slightly scum due to the level of inconsistency in attacks on MBL.
Throw iamausername's recent debut in the game along with the level of tunneling and his disregard for personal survival from nopoint, and it swings over to slight town.

Could you elaborate on this? I'm not quite following. What did iamausername do to change your read from scum to town? And how is nopoints tunneling a town point?

With deadline looming, those who are not voting should place one very soon. A no lynch would not be productive.

Mod:

Is meransiel getting replaced?

Nopoint's play, notably his tunneling stands out to me as a willing to do whatever to get MBL lynched, as if he had a very strong scumread on MBL ad was willing to go all out regardless of what the consequences were for him to push that lynch. I can see how this same point could be flipped to support nopointscum, but in the end I don't see nopoint play having scum motivation, as it would be more toned down and conservative with more regard to how the case is being perceived by others (Cue WIFOM statements. This is obviously my personal take on the deal.)

Now iamausername came in with a nice post offering up his thoughts and placing everyone into a fairly obvious rating right away, locking him into reads right away. He also pushed some lesser focused on slots with actual cases, rather than just show up and reiterate what has already been said. Both these things point town in my book.

[iamausername]

I still like my CES vote but will vote for iamusername to achieve a lynch.

Let's pretend there are five votes on Apok too, and you have the deciding vote. Me or her?

kunkstar's reads are also okay, but again, there are some that I don't see. nopoint town, obviously, I don't agree with. Both him and iam also had Meransiel as scum, which I'm thinking less as time goes on.

I don't think Meransial is scum. There's a couple of things that gave me concerns, but on the whole he reads as town to me.

P.S. iamausername should claim.

Hmm, not yet.

Unvote

VOTE: Bella

Tick tock.

[Amrun]

^Apok. Wish CES was an option, though.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're at L-1 due to PJ's ability, iam.

[iamausername]

I know.

[Amrun]

Deadline is in less than a week.

Let's say that you claim, we all decide that we believe your claim and want to move to a better wagon.

Are you going to leave us like 3 days to assemble a proper wagon? What if they claim too?


iam looking a little scummy to me now.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I know.

CONFESS.

[Meransiel]

My parents suck.

Anyway...been away the WHOLE site those days, so not really avoiding this. Really sorry, Shanba, can you have me back?

[Shanba]

My parents suck.

Anyway...been away the WHOLE site those days, so not really avoiding this. Really sorry, Shanba, can you have me back?

9) Please let me know in advance if you are going to be away. If you are inactive without warning for 48 hours, I will send a prod. If that prod is not picked up in a further 48 hours, I will search for a replacement.

If you manage to contact me before I find a replacement, you can continue with your place in the game, but after I've found one it's too late.

No longer searching for a Meransiel replacement