Cowboy Bebop Remix [Endgame]

[GreyICE]

Well there's the insane part where he just has ninja quickhammered two days in a row. And... at this point his ISO is an artwork. Including not voting for

the person he was counterclaiming

and futzing about questioning other suspects until he quickhammered day 2. If I had to bet, the QT does basically look like:

Vi: "Jahudo, CC me and then I'll get you lynched and I'll be confirmed town miller."
Jahudo: "Dude, that's kinda dumb."
Vi: "Oh come on, that herp ICE just got confirmed town and he's sworn to come after me, and so has LLD. And you can distract ICE, but neither love nor money can stray the Lady from a tunnel."
Jahudo: "Fine. Make the best out of my sacrifice."

~~~~~~~~~~~~
THREAD:

Vi: "I'm a miller with a bounty bonus of one shot hider"
Jahudo: "I'm a miller with a bounty bonus of not being a miller. I waited to claim until late day 1 because I wanted to see if I could get my bounty power (which requires a lynch). But I was going to totally claim before the end of day 1!"
^^
{ACTUAL DAMN EXPLANATION FOR NOT IMMEDIATELY CLAIMING MILLER AT DAYSTART}

Seraphim: "I'm a magical lyncher who wins any time Vicious dies, even if you lynch him. And if you lynch me I get a vengeful kill. And I don't 'beautiful princess' your town by leaving the thread, I get to stick around after I lynch successfully. And I might get access to really cool powers."

Jahudo: "..."
Vi: "..."
Town: "..."

Day 2

Vi: "Yes let us end this!"

GreyICE: "Yes, lets. My 'investigate?' It's a 1-shot hider ability. And it turns out I misread my role PM, it's a bounty power. You're double counterclaimed."

Vi: "Well Fate just isn't very imaginative. He probably ran out of bounty powers and recycled them."

Town: "..."

Scum QT: "..."

Vi, in QT: "... Fuck. Jahudo, you're now confirmed town instead of me! Hammer for glory and carry on!"

Jahudo: "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"

[AlmasterGM]

FFFFFFFFFFFF

see I BELIEVE THAT STRAT. And it would be sooo beautiful in like 999.99% of situations

But Jahudo is ... Jahdudo.

He's like the most non-polarizing, likable person. I don't think anyone would find him scummy EVER. Why you would ever run GAMBITZ LOL with him is beyond me.

[AlmasterGM]

WAIT VI CLAIMED FIRST?

NEVERMIND ALL SUSPICION IS OFF.

ACTUAL QT:

Vi: LOL GUYS WATCH IMMA CLAIM MILLER AS SCUM, SHIT IS SO CASH.

THREAD:
Vi: hi im miller
Jahudo: me too

QT:

Vi: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[GreyICE]

Toasty:
"Seraphim is obvscum!"
"Okay Seraphim isn't obvscum because GreyICE is really scummy for attacking him."
"Well if we lynch either Seraphim or GreyICE and they flip town we should line up the next lynch."
"LAWL GreyICE suspects obvtown Vi because he is so scummy scumbag McScummer. Lemme not comment on anything Vi is doing in the thread."
"Lemme avoid the miller debate like it has EBOLA HERPES"

Seraphim: "IMMA JESTER"

Toasty: "..."

Day 2

"Vote: GreyICE" despite UK flipping town Ex-Lover bodyguard, me claiming to be UK's flavor ex-lover. Oh, and me being the bounty for the day.
"GreyICE is obvscum."
"Err... okay, not even CES is buying this one anymore."
"Okay, well, GreyICE is annoying, but Vi is the lynch."

[AlmasterGM]

Vi probably just gambited that there wouldn't be an REAL miller.

JAHUDO IS ACTUAL CONFIRMEDTOWN.

Now question: Vi gets CC'd and pwnzored and you're the team.

What do you do?

BUS BUS BUS?

No.

Vi is your leader. She has all the brilliance. You NEED HER to stay alive to LEAD YOUR TEAM TO VICTORY.

So you DODGE THE WAGON. YOU DODGE DODGE DODGE.

Now all we have to do is go back and see WHO WAS DODGING. AND BAM, SCUM FOUND WITHOUT EVEN READING THE THREAD.

KA FUCKIN CHING.

[AlmasterGM]

So basically your ninja suggests Toasty is scum?

FINE WITH ME

[AlmasterGM]

After I verify all this, of course.

I can never actually trust you and LLD 100% ever again.

Not after what you did to me.

In that Quicktopic.

[GreyICE]

SEE AGM, the part where it falls apart is the claim order went like this:
<<Thread opens March 7th>>


<<March 16th>> GreyICE: I'm a 1-shot cop. I investigate people and discover if they're members of the RDC"
Next 48 Hours:
Seraphim: "I'm a RDC member, and I totally am town."
Town: "Did he just claim Miller?"
Vi: "NO CAUSE I'M THE MILLER OBV"
Jahudo: "Yeah, no I'm the miller."
Toasty: "If you get any sort of guilty, you could be fakeclaiming scum, we might have to consider lynching you to test it."

Notes

Toasty = GreyICE suspect #1
Vi = GreyICE suspect #2
Jahudo = Nachomamma8 Suspect #1


It has crossed my mind these competing wagons are scum/scum...


Oh yeah, for bonus, CES:

Day 1:
Vi: "I suspect x!"
CES: "Vote X"

Vi: "I suspect y!"
CES: "Vote: y!"

Vi: "CES, I see what you're doing. Vote Z"
CES: "Vote Z"

Vi: "CES is obvtown."
Town: "WUT"

Day 2

GI: "I dubs counterclaim Vi"
Rhinox: "I is caught up in flavor, vote GI"
Toasty: "That makes sense, vote GI"
CES: "VOTE GI"
LLD and Antihero etc. explain to them that they're either scum or have rocks for brains

CES: "Not a bad point, I can see the protown motives of not claiming a hider as a hider so the scum have all the incentive in the world to find your breadcrumbs and if you hid behind town go for a 2-for-1 on the night kill."

CES: "Vote: Jahudo because he counterclaimed obvtown Vi."
Vi: "Right on my obvtown buddy!"
CES: *GRIN*

Town: "WTF MATE?"

[GreyICE]

Actually I don't mind the fresh perspective.

I can't really see a downside to killing Toasty and CES here.

[GreyICE]

And I'm a horrible evil gambiting monster as town too.

I mean we basically sunk Vi with my fearsome power role: "Vanilla townie." And probably at least one more of the scumteam to boot

Although I'd love to take all the credit, but that's basically 30% dumb luck, 20% raw incompetence, and 50% me playing exactly scummily enough to be forced into claim range Day 1 without playing anywhere near scummily enough that anyone would consider hammering after the claim.

[AlmasterGM]

Hmmmm.

I could TOTALLY, TOTALLY, TOTALLY see Vi leading the scumteam on an active tirade in the thread.

E.g., "Don't bus, don't work against each other - just buddy up and vote together for townies." Then, when people say "LOL U SCUMMY" Just say "TOO OBV FOR SCUM, WE MUST BE TOWN"

IT. ALL. FITS.

[AlmasterGM]

Wait but then why is everyone votin Toasty

Jahudo (aka confirmedtown) is voting CES

evidence points to CES scum

toasty wagon was just for shits and giggles?

[AlmasterGM]

anyway, i need to go do work now, but this has been productive.

maybe ill read a little too.

but i have a suspicion this game can just be put on cruise control.

[ToastyToast]

Eh, I never said I wanted to lynch you in order to test your claim--I wanted to see a result. Then, it suddenly turned into a bounty power AND was actually a hider power. Am I not wrong to suspect you after such odd events? Rhinox's info was just added reasons, not the core. If I remember correctly I voted before he gave a case (don't take my word for it, though. I'll have to check but am doing work--friggen mafia distracting me)

I'm actually quite amused by these posts other than the fact that they make me out to be a complete dumbass.
I wonder what will happen to your confidence after a flip...

[GreyICE]

Toasty:
*Voted with Vi all of day 1 // was supported by Vi day 1
*Wanted to chain Seraphim's lynch and my lynch (note: neither of us was RDC scum, although Seraphim was 3rd party - which had to be unknown to scumteam)
*Reaction to Cop claim:
--Suggested RDC was not scum
----When that fell apart (thanks to Vi, ironically)...
--Suggested lynching me if I got a guilty. Note, he was #1 suspect, therefore most likely person for me to investigate.

Day 2:
Voted me over Vi
Waited until late to bus.

PEDIT: We'll learn the color of your role PM. The quality of your play is established independent of that.

[ToastyToast]

OMG I WANTED YOU TO INVESTIGATE ME
I WAS THE THIRD PERSON TO VOTE VI
YOU CANNOT HONESTLY THINK THAT LYING ABOUT COP AND SWITCHING TO HIDER IS NOT SCUMMY
IF WE LYNCHED THE PERSON WHO YOU INVESTIGATED AS SCUM, AND THEY FLIPPED TOWN, YOU, BY DEFAULT, ARE THE BIG SUSPECT. THATS WHAT I SUGGESTED.
SINCE WHEN COULD LOVERS NOT BE SCUM? THAT WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS
YOU WERE BY FAR A HUGE BLIMP FOR ME D1. I SAID I WOULD BE VOTING YOU AGAIN D2, AND I DID
RDC NOT BEING SCUM WAS A HUGE POSSIBILITY
AND DON'T ATTACK THE QUALITY OF THE GAME UNTIL ITS ALL OVER. THEN WE'LL SEE WHO REALLY FUCKED UP. AND I'LL SAVE WHAT ELSE I HAVE TO SAY UNTIL THEN.

Now then, AlmasterGM, I've said this before and I'll say it again--no one should rely on GreyICE for the complete story. ISO me, then decide independent of what he says.

[GreyICE]

AGM YOU BEAUTIFUL DIAMOND

I COULD LEARN TO LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK

Vi (2):

Jahudo,

Nachomamma

Lady Lambdadelta (5): Untrod Tripod, Antitown,

UncertainKitten,

CES,

Seraphim

Seraphim (4)

: Kdub,

Vi,

GreyICE,

Ladyλδ

Nachomamma (1):

Rhinox

Notes: Toasty was voting seraphim before he 'unvoted to avoid quicklynch.'

Vote Count
Lady Lambdadelta (4): Antitown, CogitoES,

Seraphim

,

Nachomamma

GreyICE (3): ToastyToast, Rhinox,

Vi

ToastyToast (1): Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (1): Jahudo

Seraphim

(4): Kdub,

GreyICE,

Ladyλδ,

UncertainKitten

Jahudo (1): Nachomamma
GreyICE (5): ToastyToast, Rhinox,

Vi,

CogitoES,

Seraphim

(L-2)
ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod,

GreyICE

Untrod Tripod (2): Jahudo, Antitown
Seraphim (2): Kdub, Ladyλδ,

UncertainKitten

Three major wagons:

1) LLD

LLD/Seraphim: Vi wobbles publicly in thread several times before heading towards Seraphim. If scumteam was supporting instead of bussing, that means there was at least one scum on LLD wagon.

UK confirmed town, Seraphim confirmed 3rd party, UT confirmed dunce (he flaked for about a week with an RVS vote still on LLD),

Scum in: {CES, Kdub}

2) Seraphim

Thanks to several swift kicks, Vi declares LLD 'obvtown.'

3) GreyICE
Toasty moves from Seraphim to GreyICE, declares one of the two MUST be scum.
Vi more or less gently agrees, moves to GreyICE
CES moves to GreyICE

4) Claim, confirmed town:

Jahudo (2):

Nachomamma,

CogitoES
GreyICE (2): ToastyToast,

Seraphim

ToastyToast (3): Untrod Tripod,

GreyICE

,

Vi

Untrod Tripod (2): Jahudo, Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ, UncertainKitten (L-4)

CES: Fires to Jahudo with Nacho
Vi: Fires to Toasty, briefly.

Jahudo (2): Nachomamma, CogitoES

GreyICE (2)

: ToastyToast,

Seraphim

ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod,

GreyICE

Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown

Seraphim

(4): Kdub, Ladyλδ, UncertainKitten,

Vi

(L-3)

THEN TO SERAPHIM. NEVER EVEN MENTIONS THE TOAST AGAIN.

Vi (2)

: Jahudo,

Seraphim

Jahudo (2):

Nachomamma,

CogitoES

GreyICE (1):

ToastyToast
ToastyToast (2): Untrod Tripod,

GreyICE

Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ,

UncertainKitten (

L-4)

TOASTY REFUSES TO UNVOTE DESPITE URGING FROM Vi

Vi: It's stupid to leave your vote on confirmed town
Toasty: But it's scummy to move it.
Vi: That makes sense, you're not an easy mislynch at all. Carry on, my good sir.

Vi (3):

Jahudo,

Seraphim

,

GreyICE

(L-4)
Jahudo (2):

Nachomamma,

CogitoES
GreyICE (1): ToastyToast
ToastyToast (1): Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (3): Kdub, Ladyλδ,

UncertainKitten

(L-4)

ME AND NACHO: DON'T LYNCH SERAPHIM HE'S NOT SCUM
TOWN: LAWL WE IS DEAF DUHHHHHHHHH

Vi (3):

Seraphim,

GreyICE,

Nachomamma

Jahudo (1): CogitoES
ToastyToast (1): Untrod Tripod
Untrod Tripod (1): Antitown
Seraphim (7): Kdub, Ladyλδ,

UncertainKitten

,

Vi,

Toasty, Rhinox, Jahudo

Vi wagon ENTIRELY SCUM FREE

MOVED TO SERAPHIM:

Toasty (From GreyICE)
Rhinox (from not voting)
Jahudo (From Vi-scum)

Vi (6):

GreyICE,

LLD, Toasty, AntiTown, Kdub, Jahudo
Jahudo (2):

Vi,

CES

you lied about cop, and now you claim HIDER? WTF THATS LIKE THE SCUMMIEST--ugh, not to mention one-shot hider, which makes no sense at all.
seriously, there are only two options:
1)You're purposely playing stupid so we can get bounty rewards
2)Scum
this means: quite a safe lynch. And we lynched a 3rd partyD1--nothing wrong with that.

I wish we could ask kitten if her role info changes with his new claim :/
@Kdub: her death could be strategic on scum's part. We can't ask her if her opinion on GreyICE has changed.

Question for GreyICE: UK said her role-info suggested you were town. Did you have role info that suggested she was town?

I'm also willing to vote Vi/Jahudo, but still, GreyICE...#@!*#*(*$&(*#*$#

HAHA

IS IT THAT EASY?

TOASTY?

CES?

IS IT JUST THAT?

Did Professor Paragon decide to see what happens when a scumteam ties itself up in a nice little bow with me, UK, and LLD making sure that shit never stays predictable, Nacho there to eat the souls of those who trip up, and Jahudo throwing down the critical triprope?

The depature from my wagon - the perfect scum peony blossom

Vi goes to the motherwagon
CES goes to Jahudo
Toasty can't peony blossom to anywhere without sheeping one of his scumteam, or inventing a new possible lynch target!

Toasty posts from that era:

I've just spent the last day playing DA2, and then I see...all of this.

I will not remove my vote from you today, and my vote will go on you again tomorrow unless significant evidence points elsewhere

</3

GAWDAMMIT WHY'D YOU HAVE TO SEEM SO SCUM GREYICE?! If Seraphim flips town, I'm still going to be suspicious. And if it turns out you are scum, then that's one good fake-claim. I would be more helpful right now but I'm brain-dead atm.

@Toasty: Reaction to my claim. Now.

IF you mean the GreyICE claim, I'll believe it when he investigates. Its his choice WHO to investigate, but I want to hear the result.

Also, I'm not today's bounty. I was expecting it to be me early, however, based on lore.

Vi's recent vote on me is...WTF.

Toasty what are you talking about with the lyncher comment?

If we are to believe seraphim's claim, then when he reaches his wincon, he becomes a confirmed townie with the ability to keep all his powers. What does keeping him around get us? Today has largely become about who the bad guys are. The mix of all the claims so far makes the game unbelievable. We have millers,

a one-shot cop who may not even be investigating scum,

and a lyncher. I understand how the miller thing could be a throw-off for town, but the lyncher seems...out of place to me.

Lynching one of the millers directly at this point is a suboptimal strategy since you're pretty much proven not town. We win regardless of your flip given our parameters. Further, your flip provides ~*~informations~*~ that lead to scum, whether it's your buddy or unrelated to you.

I agree with this. Lynching Seraphim has the least drawbacks at this point. We either take out a third party that could be aiming for town or lynch scum. On the offchance that he's trying to lynch scum, we find out exactly who we're looking for and use GreyICE's information to take out the red dragon.

Vote: Seraphim

[GreyICE]

Possibility: CES is just scummy enough to be scum.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You weren't looking forward to Nacho's greatness and you overcompensated. Self-conscious scum are more likely to use a smiley here too since in principle it conveys less information.

This again? What reason did I have to be worried about Nacho's case? This isn't my first game, its not like I haven't been put under the spotlight before.

And what do you mean by conveying less information? I could have just ignored Nacho if I wanted to. That would have been even less information.

I doubt you were happy with your play thus far. "I could've ignored him." would be a more plausible excuse if this wasn't one the only comment you made on the matter.

It's clear I was telling people/someone to read your ISO; what I just pointed out, doesn't reinforce your point at all. It purely weakens it since I only told one person to read your ISO as opposed to everyone; that decreases the postulated scum benefit by a factor of 7 or so. Detracting from the point even more is that it makes perfect sense for me to point to your ISO there for Reck to read.

You are deflecting. The fact still remains that you had not justified your vote on me even after three re-votes. There was no reasoning to backup and no excuse for your overconfident behavior that suggested anyone not on my wagon was blind. That is exactly the same as leading someone.

No, you're deflecting. We're arguing about a specific thing I said. You can't rhetoric your way out of not conceding this point, kid.

It's too prominent to ignore in any certain analysis if you're aware of it. I can totally imagine you reading Oldy to quickly confirm your preconception that I'm probably playing the same way and concluding that my play is similar; guess who's more likely to hold that preconception (hint: it's scum.)

In hindsight I was being lazy town. If you'd prefer I will agree with you that you are not playing to your town meta. Hmm, who doesn't play to their town meta. (hint: its scum)

I find it revealing that you specify town here (i.e. as if you were thinking "Well, I could've made that mistake as lazy town too.") "Who intentionally doesn't play to their town meta despite being capable of doing so?" is a far more relevant and interesting question.

@AGM, Jahudo is town, because even when pushed to do so, he'd never participate in something as awesome as a miller counterclaim strategy? Lamest argument yet. Read the dude's posts - he's as scummy as they come.

Day 1:
Vi: "I suspect x!"
CES: "Vote X"

Vi: "I suspect y!"
CES: "Vote: y!"

Vi: "CES, I see what you're doing. Vote Z"
CES: "Vote Z"

Vi: "CES is obvtown."
Town: "WUT"

It's almost as if Vi supported all the major wagons. P.S. Vi never called me town.

CES: "Vote: Jahudo because he counterclaimed obvtown Vi."
Vi: "Right on my obvtown buddy!"
CES: *GRIN*

Yeah, no.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I fucking wanted CES dead.

But Nooooooooooo.... UK told me it was just CES being CES.

Dx

[Rhinox]

GREYICE TELL ME WHO TO VOTE I'M SO LOST NOW!

Jahudo miller claim seems more likely town than scum.
Toasty seems scummy but claim and recent posts maybe seem more town.
CES is playing to be unreadable but comes out of the woodwork to go apeshit on jahudo doesn't seem to make sense if CES-scum/Jahudo-town.

OMG WHAT IF NONE OF THEM ARE SCUM?

[GreyICE]

GREYICE TELL ME WHO TO VOTE I'M SO LOST NOW!

Jahudo miller claim seems more likely town than scum.
Toasty seems scummy but claim and recent posts maybe seem more town.
CES is playing to be unreadable but comes out of the woodwork to go apeshit on jahudo doesn't seem to make sense if CES-scum/Jahudo-town.

OMG WHAT IF NONE OF THEM ARE SCUM?

And what, scum are LLD and Antihero?

We're probably fucked.

[Rhinox]

Do you see a Jahudo/CES scum pair making sense in any way or am I completely out of my mind again?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Just read the latest exchange between Jahudo and me - Jahudo's trying to score points, not argue honestly.

[Jahudo]

Hey AGM

I doubt you were happy with your play thus far. "I could've ignored him." would be a more plausible excuse if this wasn't one the only comment you made on the matter.

If anything I was hoping to have more suspicion on me. I try to catch scum while looking like a bad NK target, which makes me live until endgame where I catch more scum. I play that way every single game. Nacho saying he had a case on me was good in my mind. I felt confident I could answer for myself and avoid getting mislynched, like usual.

No, you're deflecting. We're arguing about a specific thing I said. You can't rhetoric your way out of not conceding this point, kid.

I'm using facts. Here are all the instances where you push for a lynch:

• Why isn't GreyICE dead yet?

  A vote for GreyICE is a vote for progress!

  Can we lynch Jahudoscum now?

  Just read Jahudo's iso. That should tell you plenty.

  obvscum Jahudo, Reck. Scummy claim, scummy behaviour.

  Reck's your partner, aye?

  CONFESS!

  Last minute Jahudowagon is go!

Up until that point here are all the explained reasons for that behavior:
......

unvote;
vote: CES