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[VP Baltar]

I think there are lots of people who make better vig targets than I do, personally. For instance:

Lowell
Scott Brosius
Baby Spice
Gobots

Perhaps even sottyrulez depending on what Gman flips. I don't really see what jedi is doing as a conscious effort to derail the Gman wagon so much as he is tunneled on me and incorrectly believes he stopped a scum kill last night. I do feel like you're trying to direct the vig subtly toward me though, hence why I asked if you thought I should be killed. I'll ask again since you didn't answer. Yes or no, do you think I should be vigged?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

JK, it's called a town read and I'm not the sort of craven coward to toss that aside on the basis of results of partial relevancy. If it’d confirmed a scum read or indicted a null read then it would be something to act upon but I can't/won't place something like this ahead of my own reads. I certainly will be keeping an even closer eye on VPB than I was before though.

[VP Baltar]

Just for the record, I highly encourage any investigation role out there to check me out if you have your doubts. I have nothing to hide.

[Internet Stranger]

Hey VP, you know who routinely say garbage like that? Investigation immune godfather scum.

[VP Baltar]

yeah, that makes total sense. So the investigation immune scum godfather would perform the NK on a night he was likely to be targeted by a known power role. Also, you still haven't answered my question. Third times the charm, you think I should be vigged tonight?

[Internet Stranger]

Jedi just said that he roleblocked you. It doesn't necessarily mean that anything actually happened.

[VP Baltar]

I agree it doesn't mean anything happened. What I am saying is that your implication of me being inv. immune godfather is ridiculous considering I was about 90 percent sure jedi was going to target me last night with whatever power he got. Additionally, investigation role doesn't just mean cop. trackers and etc. fall in this category as well. Anyhow, this is all just dumb wifom.

[Gobots]

VP: wifom, gigantic ammounts of it.
IS: Answer the question. Do you think it's likely that Jedi blocked a killing role?

[VP Baltar]

Gobots: it says so right in my post. you are useless.

[jediknight]

You mean catching things like this?

ISO 226- "I actually think it is relevant who jedi targetted last night and would go a long way toward figuring out what is going on with the NKs."

But now that it was you it's discounted? And I'm tunnelling? tsk tsk tsk

Maybe I am tunnelling but there's reason. I will support the Gman wagon...his vig kill is spent and didn't for whatever reason succeed. But it doesn't make you any less scummy all the way around.

[VP Baltar]

What do you expect me to say, jedi? I didn't submit a NK and I'm not scum. You wasted your night action because you're too caught up on OMGUS to read alignment. Had your block been placed somewhere useful, it could have revealed some kind of information in the long run once more power roles and their night actions are known.

And no, there isn't a reason for your tunneling. I have been on your case because you were legitimately scummy. I don't need to write a book to pressure you. If you want to play this text book mafia shit from 5 years ago, I suggest you round up glork, pj and other people that enjoy that style. I'm much more succinct and effective than that.

[sottyrulez]

How do you reconcile ISO 226 with 243 VP?

How can you say the result is worthwhile, and then say you're not shocked that you were actually the target? Those two posts together don't seem to jibe.

[VP Baltar]

They work together just fine. It is worthwhile to have the result even if he stupidly targeted me. There was still a possibility he did not, yeah? Since jedi is the only fully claimed PR atm, I'm sure his life expectancy isn't great. Getting a result on the table before he dies and leaves it to WIFOM is important.

[Kise]

Fake v/la so I can put my games on the backburner while I go party for the next few days

[chesskid3]

what happened to champions tuff people were talkin bout

[Erratus Apathos]

This VP vs JK argument couldn't possibly be more obvtown vs obvtown if it tried.

[Furcolow]

I've played with VP Baltar a bit, back to Stars Aligned II. I am very familiar with his town meta, and this feels like it is it. Jedi Knight, I suggest you cut out the OMGUS and tunneling. Let me ask you something: what is a roleblocker more likely to be, town or scum? Sure, I have seen it as town offsite, and I'm sure it has been on as I've seen a town-aligned-silencer, so anything is possible, but why should we believe you aren't scum with that ability?

The fact you kind of dropped a tell that you believe GMan is, in fact, town has me wondering whether or not you are finding his alignment admissible due to you having a list of who is scum with you... The problem with that is there is definitely a Dudley floating around, so you discounting him as town doesn't mean he isn't scum. The way you said it is a contradiction. You said you feel like he used his vig kill, having spent it up, but that you support the wagon? Why would you push this contradiction? If you feel he really used it, wouldn't you be pushing against it?

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[Hoppster]

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[Furcolow]

Primate: You seem to have forgotten we have already seen one vig die, though it was a dayvig, so I'm not sure if that is applicable here. I find it pretty easy for scum to be claiming vig. I disagree with you in that they won't claim vig. I've done it as scum, and the dayvig in the game kept quiet, letting me seek 2-3 lynches in a mini before he shot me.

DDD: I agreed with most of what you were saying, except on scum claiming doc. I find medic/doctor to be one of the easiest things for scum to claim early on. With a game of this size, we might even have multiple doctors, so what's the point in counterclaiming? Should a doc really cc this early? I definitely would keep my mouth shut if I was a doctor in a game this size.

@Gman, what is your flavor associated with your "vigilante" role?

[VP Baltar]

@furc - he said he was eddy gurrera and he hits people with a cadillac or some crap.

[Furcolow]

that's not what i mean
i mean jeff hardy was a "kamikaze" vig
do you see what i'm asking, now?

[VasudeVa]

I was supposed to post something. But then I watched KK's Most Illegal Move link. I think I was hypnotized too.

[GMan]

@IS: Why am I suddenly scum for following through on my furc suspicions?

@furc: What I claimed is all there is to know. No additional flavour other than that.

[Lowell]

@VP- no one ever Vigs me. Nice try at diversion though.

[VP Baltar]

Diversion from what? Because I'm being as obv. town as I can be and don't want to be shot because I'm actually contributing to the game? Why shouldn't you be vigged do you feel? It's not like your presence is helpful at all this game. I think thinning the lurker herd before we approach lylo is a very good choice. I guarantee there is scum in that group.